Mike Van Pelt with True Man Life Coaching

Intro: [00:00:07] Broadcasting live from the Business RadioX studios in Woodstock, Georgia. It’s time for Cherokee Business Radio. Now, here’s your host.

Stone Payton: [00:00:24] Welcome to another exciting and informative edition of Cherokee Business Radio. Stone Payton here with you this morning. And today’s episode is brought to you in part by the Business RadioX Main Street Warriors. For more information, go check them out at Main Street Warriors dot org. And also for those of you who have been following the Main Street Warriors and our activities, make sure you check out the high velocity awards. This is where we make available grant scholarships and cash. Yes, cash money to solopreneur, non-profits, minority and veteran owned businesses. And of course, my personal favorite youth entrepreneur. So go check it out at high velocity awards dot com. All right. You guys are in for such a real treat this morning. Please join me in welcoming to the broadcast with True Man Life Coaching. Mr. Mike Van Pelt. Good morning, sir.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:01:23] Good morning,Stone. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

Stone Payton: [00:01:27] Oh, man, I’m looking forward to it. We were connected by a mutual friend, Brian Pruitt, who I just think the world of. He’s got a golf tournament coming up in a couple of days. I’m not going to be able to make it. We’re headed down to Savannah. We’re going to be doing an on site broadcast for the what is this, the Georgia Economic Developers Association. But yeah, Brian and that crowd, they will be in our in our thoughts and prayers and what a what a marvelous community we have here in Cherokee County. And and Brian is a perfect example of that, isn’t he?

Mike Van Pelt: [00:02:02] Well, you know, Brian and I talked yesterday, and it was really funny because we’ve we’ve reconnected a little bit here. We hadn’t talked in quite a while and we reconnected. And the funny part about it is you find out how small your community is because he’s he’ll be like, I’m working with this person and I’m like, Oh, you’ve got to connect me with them because they do such and such. And so and you know, that’s that’s the beauty of doing business, is finding these strategic partnerships and these relationships where you can all mutually benefit and and create these win win type type things. And I love that. A man.

Stone Payton: [00:02:38] All right. Let’s talk about true man life coaching, mission purpose. What are you really out there trying to do for folks?

Mike Van Pelt: [00:02:44] Well, you know, the simplest way for for me to tell you what I do is I like to tell people I impact the lives of men for good. Now, that’s a pretty broad statement, right?

Stone Payton: [00:02:57] That’s a big one, man. That’s a tall order.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:03:00] That’s a pretty big statement. But essentially, you know, what I do in my coaching practice is is just work with them a variety of different ways, but primarily one on one where they need it just kind of clear the cobwebs and give them peace and clarity around their life or their business or whatever’s going on. You know, when I got into coaching a number of years ago, I did it from a business perspective. But what I found was that there are all kinds of systems out there. And, you know, I encourage people to go get systems that make their business better. But if the real system, the real meat on that bone is what’s going on, on your inside. And so if you’re not right in your head, your heart, your mind, your soul, it doesn’t matter what kind of business system you have. And so that’s was kind of my breakthrough. And I said, you know what? I just want to work with people. I want to work with people and help make them better. And I didn’t see a lot of men out there or a lot of people in general just saying, hey, I’m going to plant a flag for men and walk alongside them. And I decided that’s what I’m going to do. So here I.

Stone Payton: [00:04:11] Am. So how did you get started? What compelled you to move into coaching? I’m operating under the impression that you had some other type of career going into. Yeah, what’s the back story?

Mike Van Pelt: [00:04:23] Well, so, I mean, really had a sales career going and but I wasn’t being fed. I just wasn’t being fed and I didn’t really know what that meant. And I was in the insurance and financial services world, and I went to one of their leadership development programs, and it was a six month program and I’d never done anything like that. And I got done with it and I was like, Wow, what am I going to do with this? This was amazing. And I didn’t really want it to end, so I didn’t let it end. And the whole idea of it was that you would take what you’d learn and bring it back to your organization. But I took what I learned and used it for me and I realized, hey, you know, I’m telling my kids how important it is to get a great education, but I didn’t complete my college degree. I want to do that. And so I went back, completed my business degree, and at the time I was doing and I became a stay at home dad. During that time because my kids were really young and I was doing a ton of volunteer work within my church and in the community. And I thought, you know, I really think my life’s leading me to to be in the nonprofit world. What do nonprofit directors have at the top of the food chain that I don’t have? Oh, they have a master’s degree. So. So, yeah, I’m a glutton for.

Stone Payton: [00:05:46] Oh, no, no. Now you’re getting addicted. Yeah.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:05:48] So I did go back. I got my master’s degree in public administration and you know that that’s really how I started down the trail. But what really happened after that was once I got my master’s degree, I was out looking for work and struggling like people did not know what to do with Mike Van Pelt. Here’s a guy that was a stay at home dad. He got this education. You know, he’s doing all this volunteer work. They just didn’t know what to do with me. And it really led me down a road of I internalize the nose and I took it in and it became kind of a deep wound for me. And that’s when I decided I’m going to go down this road of entrepreneurial is I don’t need these people. And that’s when I kind of started the business consulting and I met a guy by the name of Paul Bailey, and I always mentioned him because he’s been a part of of everything that I’ve done since. And so I met him at a business networking event. And this is why business networking events, I think, are so important, because you never know who you’re going to meet for sure. But I met Paul and we had this great conversation at lunch about giving and taking and how we saw more takers in the room than givers. And we thought, doggone it, we can do this better. And so we decided we were going to start our our own group.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:07:09] But that group, I think, before it ever got off the ground, turned into, you know, what we really need? We need a men’s small group. And that’s when things really began to shift for me because I got involved in men’s small group. We connected with guys that were doing retreats. I got involved in a retreat and it was really at that retreat where I had an opportunity to get out there with 300 guys and walk around the woods and get in touch with my faith, where on a Saturday morning they played a song by Josh Groban and I recommend listening to the song. I’d never heard it called You Are Loved. Now people would say, Well, that’s not a Christian song. Listen to the words, because the perspective in that situation was Listen to the song as if God is singing it to you. And when I did that, I almost hit the ground because I had no idea that God wanted such an intimate and loving relationship with me. And that was my take away from that weekend. That was in March of 2019. And it was at that point I said, You know what? I’m going to go fight for the hearts of men. And I don’t want guys walking around empty. Like, I was like the tank was on E! And if you’re listening to this and you’re on empty, you know what I’m talking about? It’s undeniable.

Stone Payton: [00:08:31] So let’s talk about the work a little bit. Someone maybe through the benefit of hearing this conversation or for some of the other work that you do. I know you have your own show and I want to hear more about that in a little bit. But however they get there, they sort of identify, yeah, I’m kind of running on empty and they reach out to you, talk about the work a little bit. Is it is it individual one on one? Is it group? Is it retreats? Is it a little bit all of this?

Mike Van Pelt: [00:08:57] Well, it’s turning into a little bit of of all of it. That’s kind of the entrepreneurial journey that we go on. Right, right, right. You like, okay, I’m going to plant a flag and this is what I’m going to do. And then, you know, some people, I guess, are fortunate. They know exactly what that means right away. But it wasn’t me. Yeah, but but that hasn’t been me either. And so really what happened was, you know, I’m working with a gentleman who has some fantastic coaching programs and so he had a system and I love systems because I also like shiny objects. And when I find a shiny object, it typically takes me off the system. So right. So I’m sure a lot of business people can relate to that. And so I found a system that worked for me for one on one coaching. And so that that was priority number one was to find that. And so what I do is really primarily work with guys one on one. So when somebody says, you know, yeah, I want somebody to kind of clear out the cobwebs for me and I want to figure out what the, you know, my next thing in life is, whether it’s in business or personal life. And so typically we’ll start with an assessment. We have a proprietary assessment that we do, and we go through that. We have an initial to our call. And then based on the program, they may choose and I usually do a six month or 12 month. You know, we jump in the coaching process excuse me, one on one. Now where this is all heading, I believe it’s been my experience that men love the one on one because they, they like having another dude to talk to.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:10:36] They don’t always have that where they can have a safe space, where they can really strategize about their life. And but they also like the feel of community. And so where all this is really heading is that I’m in the process of building some small group stuff. So we’re going to do I’m working with an organization called the Christian Businessmen’s Connection here in the Atlanta area. John Posey is the executive director. We’re going to build out some Christian small groups through that. I’m going to build out some small group situations through myself as well. And I think where all this is headed is we’ll do some coaching combined with some mastermind groups where we take people through a 12 month program. And then on top of that, right, because you’ve got to bite, you’ve got to just jump on that elephant and go for a ride. You know, I’m working with an organization right now where we can build retreats and we’ll do some small ones where we maybe do some ten or 12 person guys. But this this organization that I’m working with that really set up to facilitate larger retreats and I’ve done enough of these now where I see tremendous value and just shutting it down for a weekend and getting out with a group of guys and, and, and having God’s voice show up in your life. It’s incredible experience. So there’s I just gave you a lot and I didn’t even give you everything.

Stone Payton: [00:12:05] Well, I really I really applaud. And I’m inspired that you’re going to do some of this group work in this retreat work? Yeah. My frame of reference for that kind of thing, it’s related. It’s not exact. I come from the training and consulting world. Yeah. And I would facilitate classes, but the most powerful classes that we had were ones that we ran as more of a peer to peer experience. Yeah. So I would essentially teach facilitation skills and then would have these folks in our case it was often sales teams. Yeah. And have them actually facilitate different modules or segments of the training to each other.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:12:45] Yeah.

Stone Payton: [00:12:46] So much more powerful than the than the whatever. There’s some big college word for one guy talking to a bunch of people, but when you do the peer to peer thing. Yeah. Oh it’s just, it’s exponential isn’t it.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:12:57] Yeah. You know I look at it this way, I’m just kind of the conductor of the orchestra, right? Yeah. You know, and I. I certainly don’t know it all and never will. That’s okay. I don’t need to be the smartest guy in the room. I just need to bring, you know, the guys together so that we can facilitate them getting in a room and figuring out how to improve their lives. I encourage, strongly encourage, find men finding small groups. Now, you know, networking is. Sure. But that doesn’t facilitate the intimate conversations that sometimes need to be had in a safe place. And so I am a huge believer that you’ve got to have a wingman. And if you can have multiple wingman, that’s really good. That’s good. That’ll keep you out of trouble. Learn from these guys that have been down the road that you want to go down.

Stone Payton: [00:13:53] So I’m sure there are some idiosyncrasies in every individual relationship, every individual coaching process. And I suspect that there are some patterns that you see and you’re like, Yep, here comes that one again. Yep, I’ve dealt with this before. Not that you necessarily articulate that, but are there a handful of kind of common patterns that that you see that it would make sense to share?

Mike Van Pelt: [00:14:18] Yeah. You know, one of the things I’m finding myself talking about more and more is this idea around identity. Now, because here’s the thing. If I meet you. We’re at a networking event. There’s a couple questions that are going to be asked right off the bat. One, what’s your name? So people identify you from your name. That’s a given. No worries there, I guess, unless you don’t like your name. But but the second question people are going to ask is, what do you do? And that becomes an identifying point. So and people will unconsciously put you in categories. He’s an attorney. This guy collects junk. This guy is a dentist. This guy sells insurance and they start categorizing you and see. What happened to me was at one point, I, you know, when I was a stay at home dad, I got a lot of attaboys. Wow. I really wish I could stay at home. In my mind. In my mind I was like, Yeah, it’s great, but. I was raised to be the breadwinner. I was raised to be the man. I need to be out supporting my family. And so I would go to all of these things that I needed to do. And what I identified with was what I wanted to be versus where I was. And that meant sometimes I wasn’t present with my family. I was there, but I wasn’t right. I was thinking about all the things I wanted to do.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:15:51] And that’s dangerous because the most important thing that we have in front of us other than our faith is our family, and they need to be taken care of. And if you’re struggling with your identity, maybe you don’t like the career you’re in or or or where you’re at in life. You know, you need to take action on that because if you don’t, you’re not going to show up present for the people that you really need to be showing up for. And so that’s that’s what happened to me. And I see that happen to a lot of guys. We get wrapped up in our careers and our, you know, and these negative identities that we get attached to. And at the end of the day, and I know this is a business radio thing, but my faith is how I identify and he will drive everything else. And that’s exactly what’s happening in my business. As soon as I let. Go. That hard grip that I had on the steering wheel, you know, and you know, I get better at this all the time and gave it over to him. What I’m seeing is my business flourish and I’m less worried about what’s going to happen on a day to day basis as a result. And, you know, regardless of what business you’re in, I you know, I think it’s applicable.

Stone Payton: [00:17:17] So does the question, the topic of masculinity, what that really means, how am I supposed to live into that? Should I not worry about that? Does that come up with individuals and groups as well?

Mike Van Pelt: [00:17:30] Well, you know, that is such an interesting topic in this day and age, because I think that, you know, I don’t like. That Hollywood or the news media drive things the way they drive them. But they have portrayed negativity in a very negative way. And so, you know, it’s easy to go on television and talk about, you know, Matt Lauer or, you know, some somebody doing something negative and portray that as while the entire male race is bad. No, no. That’s a small segment of the population. But, you know, masculinity is really you know, I always say, you know, right now we need to have this. You got to put God first. You’ve got to you’ve got to put family second. And and I love putting country third. And then like everything else is like way down the line, but it’s about caring, loving, being purposeful and everything that you do. That’s masculinity. That’s masculinity. Not, you know, beating up your wife or abusing her. I mean, you know, or or the Hollywood movie portrayal of of men beating on their chest and firing weapons, I mean. Granted, that’s kind of fun, but but that’s not what masculinity really is.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:19:03] And so, you know, one of the things that I think is important and it’s why, you know, I talk about retreats and I want to do these getaways, is it’s important to see men, see other men that are vulnerable and that are having intimate conversations around how to be a better man. You know, generationally speaking, I’m 52. I don’t mind sharing. You know, I grew up in a time where if we fell down on the baseball diamond, you know, it was like just, you know, get up, you know, don’t say ouch. Yeah. You know, and and that turns out to be not a very masculine way to handle it. And I’m not blaming my father or I’m not blaming his father. That’s not what this is about. You know, I think that we know more about psychology. I think we know more about what we need from a human perspective. And, you know, masculinity is about being in touch with your heart. That’s a big piece of this because, guys, we do too many things with our head and not our heart. So that’s to me, I could probably go on all day about that, but.

Stone Payton: [00:20:07] Well, you could with me because I because I know I am just I am very enamored with the whole conversation. I’ve got a thousand questions and we’re not going to get to them all this morning, but we’re going to get to some of them. So you mentioned several aspects of life, I guess is like spiritual and family and business. I’d love to get your perspective on on this whole topic of balance. Oh, wow. And I’ve even talked to some folks that that don’t like the word balance and they try to plug something else in there. But I’d love to get your take on.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:20:44] You know, it’s interesting because I love to plug in words and then go out to the thesaurus and then look it up and see. And what I’ve learned over time is that that can be dangerous, because you really can’t sugarcoat certain words that people know a lot about. And so this term balance comes up quite a bit, and usually it’s related to, well, how do I get balance in my business? And personal life is a lot of times where that that I hear that the most. I’ve heard that from my wife over the years in her corporate job. You know, I think balance and finding it is different for everybody. You know, for example, I used to separate my business and my personal life. And now because there’s so much faith work and it’s so much it’s so personal, I don’t separate the two. They’re just kind of all lumped together. And for me, I love that. That gives me great joy and and energy. But for others, I mean, they need to separate them. They need to need to leave their work, you know, at work. And they need to come home and be present with their family.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:21:53] And I think it’s different for every person. But, you know, balance is really tough because we live in a world where I mean, I remember when I first started in business, right? My business phone was on my business desk. Now my business phone is my mobile phone. And that means for some reason, we’ve all taken on this mantra of that means you’re at work 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. And if you don’t respond to my text message immediately, there’s got to be something wrong. And so, you know, it’s important to figure out for yourself, what does all that mean? And if you’re a business leader, I think it’s important for you to spell it out for your team. What does this mean? Where do we draw the lines? Because otherwise people are just going to keep charging ahead because they operate under this assumption that while everybody at my work has my mobile phone number. And so I you know, that means I’m accountable and I need to keep answering stuff. Is that what it means? Have you had that.

Stone Payton: [00:23:02] Discussion with your employees?

Mike Van Pelt: [00:23:03] I mean, do they know where the line is drawn? You know, maybe they need to know because some of them may think they’re on the clock 24 hours a day and that may not be the case. And you know, this is another area that I commonly get into. We need to know how to pause. Just like I just did, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Emphasis on the pause. We need to know how to pause because pausing and taking a break from things helps build margin in your life, helps build up that battery. And so the fact of the matter is, is that we’re not build built to be the hard chargers in with all this technology around us that we’re not built for that most of us don’t know really know how to handle it. We just don’t want to admit to it. Like I’m admitting right now, I don’t know how to handle it. It’s just too much. And so we’ve got to figure out how to take pauses. And so and to me, figuring out what that pause is for you is will help you figure out that balance in your life.

Stone Payton: [00:24:12] So how does the whole sales and marketing thing work for for a guy like you? Like, how do you get the new clients?

Mike Van Pelt: [00:24:23] You know, I will. I’ll be honest and tell you, it’s been one of the biggest challenges that I have had to undertake because I’m a men’s life coach. And so that means I’m not accepting women or I’m not working with couples per say. I’m really searching for men and men, interestingly enough. Right. We don’t show up anywhere until we’re completely broken, which is crazy. Don’t do that. You know what I love to be in the position of is is, you know, if you think about Olympic athletes, they’ll spend their entire lives just trying to shave a half a second off or get a half a foot in front of somebody else, constantly working. And and so I want to take and they’re already great at what they do, right? I want to take great people. And I want them to get clear about how they can get better. And to me, that’s really what coaching is. I understand helping people when they’re broken. I get that and that’s how a lot of people come to me. But but it’s really about taking people to the next level. The other thing that I’ve done right is we created the True Man podcast, and so the True Man podcast was an opportunity for people to hear about men’s topics, how to be better dad, how to be a better husband, you know, just how to generally be a better man. And so we take all those topics and I bring guests on and we talk about, you know, in a lot of cases, their story.

Stone Payton: [00:26:05] Oh, that’s great. So it’s not just the Mike Van Pelt Hour. It’s you’re bringing in other folks, getting their perspective.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:26:10] I’m doing some solo shows because I think it’s important to highlight what I do from a coaching standpoint. However, I think what men really want to hear and what they really need is a story from another man. And I have women on the podcast all the time because women have stories too, you know, to have these people come on and tell their story. So, for example, this Monday, well, I, I recently released a podcast and I interviewed, amazingly enough, the best man at my wedding. I was married 26 years ago to my lovely wife, Jill. And shortly after we got married, of course, you know, the Internet was starting to become a thing back then. And my buddy got involved in Internet gambling. He did, you know, of course, back then we didn’t talk about those things. Right. So he becomes an addict. And so on the podcast, I was recently back home in Iowa. That’s where I grew up and we were talking. He said, I love what you’re doing with the podcast. I’d love to come on and tell my story. And I was like, Wow, you can just know once you tell that story, it’s out there, number one. Number two, yeah. I’m proud of you that you’ve gotten to a point where you’ve healed enough that you can come on and tell that story because you can impact the lives of a lot of people by doing that. And so we did an interview and he told his story about how he got into gambling and and where he’s at today. And it’s truly a comeback story. You know, he got himself into trouble. And, you know, he he’s he’s made a great comeback. And so those stories are out there all over the landscape.

Stone Payton: [00:27:55] I’ll bet.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:27:56] And I can’t I can’t bring those guys on fast enough to tell their story, because that’s how we motivate other men to take action. Right. You know, and to me, that’s what it’s all about. And that’s why we started the podcast, so that people could hear those stories and I could bring experts on and provide that value for for men. So that’s one of the big things that I do. And it does it inadvertently creates that know like trust factor from a business perspective that we’re all searching for, that somebody can come on, they can they can hear me, they can hear my guests and they can make a decision. Hey, he sounds like a pretty decent dude. You know, I’ve got some things I’d like to talk with him through, and so that that’s what it’s all about. And of course, I’ve had to get to do all the social media and fun stuff that comes with. Right, right, right. But, you know, other than that, you know, I’m doing a lot of networking. I’m getting involved in a lot of men’s organizations. I mentioned the Christian Business Connection, Pbmc, great Christian business men’s organizations, and there are others out there that I’m searching for. And, you know, I’m always available to come in, in business and work with businesses. And I’m not going to work with you on your your, you know, your business planning or anything like that. I could, but that’s not what I’m there for. You know, I just want everybody to be the best possible person they can be, because that’s how we lead. Well.

Stone Payton: [00:29:23] I’m glad I asked. And one of the things. No, it’s very helpful context. One of the things that I’m picking up from what you described is, yes, that’s probably a great way to go to market, create some awareness, have people reach out to you. But also your existing clients are probably getting ongoing value from the fact that you’re doing that show, right? Yeah.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:29:48] Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, I’ve talked about it. It has been a thrill of my life to do it. I think what we as 71 podcast in and then you know, we’ve got the YouTube channel going and everything and I’m doing exploring other opportunities. I’m on a couple of other different shows now. It’s funny how this thing just morphs, but, you know, we’ve talked about everything, you know, from marriage. One of the topics I hate to talk about it and you know, I bring it up now because it is other than gambling, the number one problem men have comes in the area of pornography. And I hate to talk about I hate to talk about it, but every time I do it. My numbers spike on the podcast. And so that tells me everything that I need to know, even though I already know the statistics are there. And, you know, so it’s things like that that, you know, most is is it comfortable for me to talk about? Heck, no, it’s not comfortable for me to talk about, but I talk about all kinds of things that I never thought I would talk about sitting in front of a microphone like this. But that’s how we add value to other men. And I think that’s what they’re looking for, is those authentic and those real conversations that help them get to the next level.

Stone Payton: [00:31:12] Yeah. All right. Let’s leave our listeners with a with a handful of Pro Tips. Number one, pro tip gang is if you are finding any value in this conversation at all, and I’m sure you are, reach out to Mike and have a conversation with him. But short of that or preceding that, I don’t know. It’s something we should be reading, something we should be doing, questions we should be asking ourselves just a couple of maybe just actionable steps that those of us who are trying to be self aware and trying to to to live into our purpose and be better people. Just a couple of pro tips maybe come to.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:31:51] Well, listen, I’m going to give you a book and it is a book that is helped transform my life. It’s a book that has transformed the lives of a lot of men. And that is a book called Wild at Heart by John Eldridge. And John Eldridge has a ton of books. His wife Stacy has written a number of books, but I strongly recommend that book. If you’re searching for more in your life, whatever that looks like, if you’re wondering how you can be free in your life and begin to take your heart back and not have all that baggage that we sometimes drag along as men. I recommend reading the book Wild at Heart by John Eldridge. That is a that is short of reading the Bible, I think a book that will give you some of the most in-depth knowledge of of your masculine life that you’ll ever read. So and there, there are a number of books after that, but I like that as a starting point.

Stone Payton: [00:33:00] All right. I got to ask, is there a book in you do you have some designs on on writing a book yourself currently?

Mike Van Pelt: [00:33:07] Yeah. Currently working on a book, as a matter of fact. Yeah. Currently working on a book. And you know, in that book we’ll tell the the true man story. You know, how Paul Bailey and I started a small men’s group? What is the true man? You know, why do you want to become a true man? And so and I’m kind of excited about it because I just had an epiphany here a couple of weeks ago and I’m like, Yeah, we need to this needs to be a roadmap book, you know? And that just comes from Paul and I had taken road trips prior primarily up to ironically enough, I was thinking about this. I’m like, Man, it’s funny how all this stuff comes together. Ironically enough, we used to travel from South Carolina up to North Carolina. Yes, there were coffee shops around the corner, but that’s not why you take a road trip. You take a road trip to get in the car and have these intimate conversations with somebody. But our road trips always evolved around going to this place in Columbus, North Carolina, called, of all things, Open Road Coffee.

Stone Payton: [00:34:10] I love it. Well, when you launched that book, I hope you’ll come back and visit with us and get us caught up on your work and maybe share some insights from the from the book. All right. Let’s make sure that our listeners can connect with you. If they’d like to have a conversation with you or someone on your team, maybe find out about some of these retreats or take advantage of your expertise and counsel and an individual coaching relationship, whatever you think is appropriate. Website, email, phone. Just I just want to make sure that they can connect with you, man.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:34:39] Well, you can always go out to my website, which is probably about to go under under another revamp, but all the information is out there at Truman Life Coaching Dotcom and you can reach out to me at Mike at Truman Life Coaching and give me a call 8642662058. And I love talking and strategizing with guys and we can set up an initial hour and have a strategy call and see what’s going on in your life. And if you need more coaching or if you need me to plug into a group. Let’s do it. Or if you want a book recommendation. I got plenty of those, too.

Stone Payton: [00:35:24] Oh, what a pleasure. Mike Van Pelt, thank you so much for coming in and sharing your story and your perspective. This has been an informing and inspiring conversation I have. What a terrific way to invest a Tuesday morning, man. Thank you. Absolutely. No, you’re doing important work, man. And we sincerely appreciate you.

Mike Van Pelt: [00:35:46] Well, you know, and I I’ve I’ve done a lot of research around what this means, so I don’t take this lightly when I say it. But I’m doing the work that God has called me to do, and I’m enjoying almost every minute of it. And if you’re a business person, you know what I mean by almost.

Stone Payton: [00:36:06] All right, until next time. This is Stone Payton for our guest today, the comeback coach with true man life coaching, Mr. Mike Van Pelt and everyone here at the Business RadioX family saying we’ll see you next time on Cherokee Business Radio.