GWBC Radio: Adam Moore and Dr. Lissa J. Miller with SunTrust and Littie Brown with SpeedPro Marietta

Intro: [00:00:02] Broadcasting live from the Business RadioX studios in Atlanta, Georgia, it’s time for Atlanta Business Radio, spotlighting the city’s best businesses and the people who lead them.

Lee Kantor: [00:00:17] Lee Kantor here with Roz Lewis, another episode of GWBC Radio. This is where we have conversations to grow your business. And today’s theme is mentoring your business to success. Welcome, Roz.

Roz Lewis: [00:00:29] Thank you, Lee. How are you doing this morning?

Lee Kantor: [00:00:31] I am doing great. You must be a little wiped out. You’ve been on the plane for a little bit.

Roz Lewis: [00:00:36] I have, but you know what, it’s always exciting when you’re able to network with other women businesses, celebrate with other corporations and then, meet to talk about how we build a strategy around growing women businesses-

Lee Kantor: [00:00:54] Okay.

Roz Lewis: [00:00:56] … and small businesses.

Lee Kantor: [00:00:57] You were in DC doing some of that work, kind of laying some foundational groundwork for this?

Roz Lewis: [00:01:02] Yes, the Women’s Business Enterprise National Council. We hold our board meeting during this period of time in November. We meet three times a year. And also, we announce our women business stars. So, there are 14 women business stars that are represented across this country that come to this event, along with women businesses who are meeting to discuss how they can create opportunities and programs, development programs, that is, to grow businesses.

Lee Kantor: [00:01:38] So, it’s kind of best in class all coming together to share best practices and kind of explore ways to work together?

Roz Lewis: [00:01:44] Absolutely.

Lee Kantor: [00:01:45] Well, you must leave there so fired up and inspired.

Roz Lewis: [00:01:48] I do. You know, there’s also an opportunity to get involved in some legislative issues as well. On the Hill, we are partnered with an organization called WIPP, Women Impacting Public Policy. This is led by Candace Waterman. And it’s always great to find out how the needle is moving regarding some legislative issues as it relates to small business, and how our congressmen and senators can help us grow those businesses.

Lee Kantor: [00:02:23] And then, in this room, every month, we get to talk to a lot of amazing Atlanta folks. And then, this is no exception. And we’re going to talk about how mentoring can really kind of accelerate your growth. And you-

Roz Lewis: [00:02:36] Yes. Yes.

Lee Kantor: [00:02:37] So, who do you have with you today?

Roz Lewis: [00:02:38] Well, you know, we are going to have an exciting show today because our special guest is Lissa Miller, who’s the First Vice President of Supplier Diversity and Adam Moore, Strategic Supplier Diversity Manager at SunTrust Bank, soon to be Truist Financial Services, and we have Littie Brown, who’s the president and co-owner of SpeedPro Marietta. So, all three of them have been involved in a mentoring program, a program that actually that the Greater Women’s Business Council has had for over 10 years.

Lee Kantor: [00:03:17] Right.

Roz Lewis: [00:03:18] So-

Lee Kantor: [00:03:18] This has been part of the DNA of this organization for a long time.

Roz Lewis: [00:03:22] Exactly. But I have one more announcement to make about-

Lee Kantor: [00:03:24] Alright. Fire away.

Roz Lewis: [00:03:24] … a couple of people here that we have today. And that is, we’re just coming off the heels of our annual awards celebration that we had last week. And we have two winners sitting here with us.

Lee Kantor: [00:03:38] Wow.

Roz Lewis: [00:03:39] Right. Adam Moore received our Buyer of the Year award.

Adam Moore: [00:03:43] Thank you.

Roz Lewis: [00:03:43] So, congratulations on that.

Adam Moore: [00:03:44] Thank you very much.

Roz Lewis: [00:03:45] And Lissa Miller received our Voice Award. So, very excited about having them today.

Lissa Miller: [00:03:52] Thank you, Roz.

Lee Kantor: [00:03:52] Well, this is exciting. We get to hear a little bit about that, I hope. But we’re going to talk about how SunTrust mentors, is that the game plan?

Roz Lewis: [00:04:01] Well, it’s not just SunTrust. It’s about mentoring period. They-

Lee Kantor: [00:04:05] Just in general.

Roz Lewis: [00:04:05] Just in general. And Lissa Miller is the chair of the certification-

Lissa Miller: [00:04:12] Mentor-protege.

Roz Lewis: [00:04:12] She’s the chair of the mentor-protege program at the Greater Women’s Business Council and has done a phenomenal job in engaging our women businesses to mentor each other, as well as having corporate members mentor our women businesses also. But this information is for any business of how they can incorporate mentorship, which we all need-

Lee Kantor: [00:04:42] Yeah.

Roz Lewis: [00:04:43] … in order to grow your business.

Lee Kantor: [00:04:45] All right. So, you want to jump in there, Lissa, and explain kind of your vision of mentoring and protege.

Lissa Miller: [00:04:51] Sure.

Lee Kantor: [00:04:51] How it all can work together.

Lissa Miller: [00:04:52] Yeah. Well, let me tell you a little bit about our program at the-

Lee Kantor: [00:04:56] Yes.

Lissa Miller: [00:04:56] … Greater Women’s Business Council. So, as Roz stated earlier, the Mentor Protege program has been around for a while. Over the last few years, I became the chair and started revamping it and kind of bringing it to the type of mentoring that we have today, which is one-on-one mentoring. Before, we had group mentoring. But the women-owned businesses that were in that group mentoring environment needed that one-on-one interaction and more time with their mentor. So, over the last-

Lee Kantor: [00:05:27] Because that way, they can address specific issues instead of-

Lissa Miller: [00:05:29] Right, right. They have more time-

Lee Kantor: [00:05:31] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:05:31] … to be able to meet with their mentor, talk about some of those goals that they’ve established for themselves. And it’s only a nine-month program. So, there’s not a whole lot of time to get things done.

Lee Kantor: [00:05:40] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:05:41] So, the last couple of years, we had one-on-one mentoring. Last year, we had seven mentor-protege pairs. This year, we had eight. So, it grows each year. And it’s basically for small women-owned, certified women-owned businesses that are under $500,000 in annual revenue. And then, we pair them with corporate mentors or larger women-owned, certified women-owned businesses that are at least $3 million in revenue. And we have two great examples here with us today about how the program has benefited both ways for the mentor and the protege this last year with Littie and her business, SpeedPro Marietta, and then, Adam serving as a mentor in the program.

Lee Kantor: [00:06:25] So, in your vision of this, what do you need more of? Like do you need more business people to raise their hand and say, “I want to be mentored” or do you need more corporates to say, “Hey, I’m willing to mentor”?

Lissa Miller: [00:06:39] We need both. We need both. We need women-owned businesses who are ready and willing to be mentored and have the time to work with a mentor one-on-one. A lot of times, women-owned businesses, especially, if you’re small, you’re in your business every part-

Lee Kantor: [00:06:55] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:06:55] … of your business, every day. And so, you really don’t set aside strategic time to be able to work on your business, right? You’re working so much in. And so, mentoring really takes you out of your business and says, “Okay, you have to allocate some time to be able to focus on this”, right? Because that’s the only way you’re going to develop long-term strategies to help your business grow.

Lissa Miller: [00:07:14] So, we’re looking for women on businesses who are ready to take the next step to be mentored. And then, also, for mentors who are corporate representatives, like Adam. Could be in supply diversity, could be in procurement, could be in other areas. And also, larger women-owned businesses who’ve been there, done that, you know, know where the pitfalls are and are able to commit time to be a mentor in the program.

Lee Kantor: [00:07:37] Now, do you give the mentor some structure because it seems like they wouldn’t know where to even begin?

Lissa Miller: [00:07:44] Yeah, yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:07:44] I guess just ask general questions and just-

Lissa Miller: [00:07:45] Yeah, we do.

Lee Kantor: [00:07:46] … kind of meander around or?

Lissa Miller: [00:07:47] We do. We have guidelines and we have three to four group sessions where all of the mentors and the proteges get together. And we have subject matter experts to come in to talk about key specific areas that maybe you could focus on in your business. So, one may be technology, one may be strategic planning, you know, financial analysis of your organization. You know, how to determine if you’re financially healthy.

Lissa Miller: [00:08:16] And so, we have group sessions where we bring subject matter experts in to talk about those key areas. But during the course of the nine months, you know, we suggest that the mentor-protege pair meet for at least one time a month. Now, many of them have met for at least two times a month, whether virtual or in person. But you really have to establish that bond quickly and know that you’re gonna be able to work together as a team because you could have different styles, you know.

Lee Kantor: [00:08:43] Right. So, it has to be a good fit.

Lissa Miller: [00:08:45] Has to be a good fit.

Lee Kantor: [00:08:45] That’s part of the challenge too.

Lissa Miller: [00:08:46] Right. And-

Lee Kantor: [00:08:46] The right mix, the right match.

Lissa Miller: [00:08:48] Right. And so, when we match, and this is typically something that the committee does, is we look at both, we interview everyone, we interview the proteges, we interview the mentors. We want to get a feel of, you know, what they’re needing from the program, what they have to offer, what are their needs, you know, how they work, where are they located? That’s a big deal, right?

Lee Kantor: [00:09:06] Sure.

Lissa Miller: [00:09:07] Because GWBC covers not only Georgia, but the Carolinas. So, we don’t want to put a mentor in Georgia with somebody who’s in the Carolinas. They probably would never get a chance to meet, right?

Lee Kantor: [00:09:16] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:09:17] And so, we’re looking at location. We’re looking at industry. Is it a fit? Is it a complementary industry? Personality, experience, years in business, all of that goes into the matching process. So, it’s a secret formula that we use.

Lee Kantor: [00:09:33] You have an algorithm for that.

Lissa Miller: [00:09:34] Yeah, kind of a mental algorithm. And then, we match those pairs accordingly.

Roz Lewis: [00:09:41] So, Littie, you know, you’ve already gone through the experience of being a part of the mentor protege. What gave you that decision or how did you make that decision to even think that you needed a mentor?

Littie Brown: [00:09:56] Funny you’d ask that. A lot of small businesses like myself, we get so caught up, I think Lissa said it, in the business. And when you stop and realize, you know, I need some help, I need some other thought, some other thinking, that’s greater than what I know. And so, I wanted to be far enough along to kind of know what I was doing a little bit so that I would know what to ask a mentor or what I would need from the mentor. So, I thought, my business is now six years old. And so, you know, you’re talking right at that point. Had I thought about it afterwards after being in it, I probably would have done it a year or two sooner.

Littie Brown: [00:10:33] But the timing was good for me to be able to step back and say, “Hey, I’d like for somebody else that has a different set of experience to see what we’re doing. Show them where we think our pitfalls are and gain some knowledge from that person.” And so, it was a good time, a good fit for me. I think a lot of people shy away from it because you have to be open. You have to be willing to say, you know, “I need some help”, first of all, and “I don’t know everything that I think I know”, and willing to open up, you know, your kimono and show them, you know, “Here’s where my warts are and that I’m looking for some help.”

Lee Kantor: [00:11:12] Right. And the ability to be vulnerable and kind of humble, it’s kind of not everybody’s superpower when you have your own business, right? Because everybody’s looking at you like you know what you’re doing.

Littie Brown: [00:11:22] Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. People think that, “You’ve got this, you’re gonna do great.”.

Lee Kantor: [00:11:26] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:11:27] “You’re fine.” And you’re sitting there saying, “I don’t have this. I don’t have this. You know, I need some help.”

Lee Kantor: [00:11:31] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:11:31] And it’s a lonely place. I mean, you know, from-

Adam Moore: [00:11:33] Yeah.

Lissa Miller: [00:11:34] … the conversations that I’ve had with a lot of small businesses is once you get—you know, I just applaud every small business that’s able to be in business over three years. I mean, that’s an accomplishment right there. But it’s a lonely place. I mean, you’re out there, you’re doing your best, you know, with what you know. And the people that you have, you’re responsible for maybe some headcount, right?

Lee Kantor: [00:11:54] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:11:55] These people are dependent upon you. And who do you turn to to at least get validation on what you’re doing? Is that the correct way or am I doing it the right way? And a lot of the feedback I’ve received is, you know, “It is great to be able to be validated to understand that I am on the right road and to have someone to give me a listening ear to hear, you know, some of the struggles that I have.” Because they don’t have that person to be able to share that information with. They can’t share it with their employees.

Littie Brown: [00:12:22] Yes, exactly.

Lissa Miller: [00:12:23] That’s being too vulnerable, right?

Adam Moore: [00:12:24] Yeah.

Littie Brown: [00:12:25] Yes.

Lissa Miller: [00:12:26] They might not want to be able to share it with their partner, you know, in the business or, you know, their senior leadership, but who else can they share that information with?

Adam Moore: [00:12:34] Yeah.

Roz Lewis: [00:12:34] But don’t you think that is a part of leadership? Being able to recognize those areas that you need to grow in. You know, that is one of the things that mostly are going to come out in the whole mentoring relationship. And-

Littie Brown: [00:12:51] Most definitely. And, you know, it is funny you’d say that because, you know, I spent most of my career in senior leadership roles. And it is very different when you own your own business because you get used to, in a corporate environment, that there are people above you that you know you can go to. They promote mentoring and things like that. Well, when you get out and you’re running your own business, you don’t have that circle of people already around you.

Littie Brown: [00:13:16] And if you are not a leader that’s either used to that or comfortable in that, then you will shy away from getting that help that you need. And so, this program, I like what Lissa said about being validated. It is not necessarily somebody helping you fix what’s broken, but to really show you that, “Hey, this path you’re on is a good path. Maybe you don’t think about doing this or think about doing that.” And the mentor isn’t there to, you know, tell you what to do and how to run your business.

Littie Brown: [00:13:45] It’s really to give you some focus and direction that helps us say, “Okay. Well, yeah, I am doing that. So, now, let me tweak that a little bit” or, you know, “I like that idea, you know, from a strategic plan, I need to document something differently or what I’m doing with my employees”, you know, and “Do I hire or do I, you know, get contractors?” There’s so many things that you can ask. But what I liked about what Lissa and the team did was to come up with what are the two or three things you want to focus on, so you’re not trying to cure world hunger. And, you know, it just had allowed you to just be a little bit more focused and rifle shooting versus just, you know, pelleting everywhere. So, I thought that was a major part of the program.

Lee Kantor: [00:14:32] Now, I understand what’s in it for you. You’re getting this knowledge and this kind of validation. What’s in it for the mentor? The mentor, Adam.

Adam Moore: [00:14:39] Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:14:39] You were the mentor. So, talk about what you’re gaining out of this in terms of, you know, your job or just-

Adam Moore: [00:14:46] Right.

Lee Kantor: [00:14:46] … is it personal? This makes you feel good. You’re sharing wisdom. You know, you’ve been there and done that, so you’re going to share some of that. Like what does the mentor get out of this?

Adam Moore: [00:14:54] Right. You know, if you’re a mentor and you don’t walk away enlightened and educated yourself, you weren’t doing your job to begin with. I very much stick to the old adage as a mentor, steel sharpens steel. So, I’m not there to mold them, right? We’re just going to sharpen each other’s business skills. And I love it when we’re having a discussion. And the mentee and myself are just kind of really getting in the weeds of some things and my own dogmatics in business are challenged, right? I’ll say something and my mentee be like, “I don’t think that’s going to work here.” I’d be like, you know, you’d have that moment of like, “How dare you”, right? But to have that challenge back, to get the push back-

Lee Kantor: [00:15:31] Right.

Adam Moore: [00:15:31] … and then, to have to work through it yourself, you kind of, as the mentor, you get validated, right?

Littie Brown: [00:15:36] Yeah.

Adam Moore: [00:15:36] Because there’s oftentimes in corporate America, you’re like, “Does anybody really appreciate what I do sometimes?” But then, to have that-

Lissa Miller: [00:15:43] I appreciate you.

Adam Moore: [00:15:45] You do. My current boss appreciates me a lot. But you get that ability to kind of exercise your own business acumen as well, too. So, there’s a lot. There’s a lot in it. For me also, there’s a lot of friendships and personal growth that comes along in it, too. You know, if you’re unaffected by the relationship, again, like I said, you weren’t doing it right.

Littie Brown: [00:16:07] Yeah.

Roz Lewis: [00:16:08] Well, you always, you know, want to be in a position of learning. You know, I always say-

Adam Moore: [00:16:14] Right.

Roz Lewis: [00:16:14] … there is not an opportunity where you should not take advantage of learning. And to your point, the value add of the mentor-protege relationship is the fact that you learn from each other.

Adam Moore: [00:16:25] Learned a lot.

Littie Brown: [00:16:27] Yeah.

Adam Moore: [00:16:27] You learn a lot. And you get to learn about industry that you’re not in, which is absolutely fascinating. And, you know, I say it all the time, leaders learn, right? And so, that’s on both sides of the island. That’s absolutely fantastic. And that’s what this provides, is a fantastic forum for that.

Lee Kantor: [00:16:41] Now, Littie, why don’t you share some kind of do’s and don’t’s? If you’re a mentee, what are some kind of key learnings you took away from the experience? Like what are some things, if you could do it again, you would do it this way. You mentioned like start sooner. That was one thing. But what are some ways to get the most out of that mentor-mentee kind of relationship, from your standpoint?

Littie Brown: [00:17:00] Well, first of all, I do want to brag on my mentor, who is Patrick Dierberger from Federal Reserve Bank. And not only did we just grow a great business relationship, but back to what Adam said, just a great friendship. There were times he would say, “Man, I’ve learned so much from you. Littie.” You know, and you’re thinking, “Man, I’ve learned so much from you.” You know, you don’t think you’re sharing that much.

Littie Brown: [00:17:23] But the two things that I will tell you that made the relationship work. Number one was that initial meeting that we had. When I went to the Federal Reserve Bank, we sat down, talked about each other. You know, “Tell me about you. Tell me about your family. Tell me a little bit about why you’re doing this. How did you get into this business?” And develop a rapport so that when you start to talk about the issues, it’s a lot more comfortable.

Littie Brown: [00:17:48] And so, we set up, you know, we’re going to meet twice a month and once on the phone and once down there, come out to see the studio. And so, we had some plans. So, number one is what’s the plan that you want to put in place. And then, put that plan in place. But secondly, it’s on the mentee to make sure that you’re following up on the plan, even if you’re pushing your mentor, I’m the one that’s getting the benefit out of his time and, you know, his resources, which was a major part of what I did.

Littie Brown: [00:18:22] And so, showing up on time, being prepared, I think, are critical things that you have to do. But having that first initial meeting and really kind of setting, you know, the groundwork of what you’re going to do. Every one of us in the class had a different focus and a different direction. And it fit with that person that you were working with. It wouldn’t have fit with me to be with somebody else unless I share that same kind of direction that I wanted. And so, to me, those are the things that are critical to make sure that it works.

Lee Kantor: [00:18:57] So the curation, going back to your earlier point of curating the right mentor-mentee relationship, that’s ground zero. You’ve got to get that right or else, you’re gonna have problems. Now, Adam, can you share us-

Adam Moore: [00:19:06] Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:19:06] … some kind of best practices from a mentor standpoint? What’s the best way for a mentor to get the most out of it?

Adam Moore: [00:19:11] Yeah. Don’t be afraid to challenge the objectives the proteges put in front of you. I had a very good example this last time around where when I sat down with my protege to begin with, there were like three things we’re going to accomplish. But when we kind of really started talking, I was like, “I don’t think we’re even there yet to discuss these three things.” So, being willing to kind of challenge those objectives, right, from a business standpoint of view. And then, really being willing to have that—you have to open yourself up.

Adam Moore: [00:19:44] It’s a lot for the proteges to come in there and, like we say, open the kimono and let them know. But unless there is that mutual trust between the two, you’re really not going to do anything. So, you’ve got to be prepared yourself to say, “Let me tell you where I failed and let me tell you where I’ve fallen down. Let me tell you where the pitfalls I’ve hit along this similar road”, and be very open and honest with that. So, that’s a very best practice. Another thing for a mentor is I say find a mentor to mentor you while you’re mentoring, honestly.

Lissa Miller: [00:20:11] That’s a good one, yeah. That is what we do.

Adam Moore: [00:20:11] I mean, yeah. And luckily, the chairperson for the program also happens to be my boss at the bank, so I’m able to walk in her office and go, “I have no idea.” I think I actually did that like once or twice this last year. I walked in and said, “I don’t know what to say any longer”, you know. And so, to be able sit down and then, discuss that with her, then I was able to go back to my protege and go, “Okay. Refreshed, renewed, ready to talk about this again.”.

Adam Moore: [00:20:35] So, I think it’s always an excellent idea for a mentor to have somebody themselves to run to because you’re not going to know everything. And I found myself in that same thing, too. We were discussing questions about an area and a vertical that I have zero, absolutely zero knowledge in. Because when we broke it down and we figured out where the areas were that we really need to work on, the areas we need to work on were really way outside my field of specialty.

Adam Moore: [00:21:00] And I had to actually reach back into Roz’s organization, the GWBC, truly, thank goodness, that there is such a wide swath of businesses, and bring some people in to say, “Okay. I need to run this by you. I need you to go talk to her now.” That type of thing. So as a mentor, don’t be afraid to reach into your bag of contacts and bring them to the fray also because we would be dangerous if we thought we knew it all.

Lissa Miller: [00:21:23] That’s right.

Lee Kantor: [00:21:23] And Roz-

Roz Lewis: [00:21:23] Exactly.

Lee Kantor: [00:21:23] … this must be so rewarding to you to see how everybody kind of works together. There is a role for everybody in this kind of ecosystem.

Roz Lewis: [00:21:31] Absolutely. And, you know, all businesses really should have three key people within their organization, meaning, and attached to their organization. And it’s also for corporate America too, so it’s also for your career path. And it talks about having an advisor. You know, you have a mentor and then, you have a sponsor. You have someone that sponsors you. And the sponsor is more on the career side, because you need someone in there fighting for you as you’re trying to move up the corporate ladder.

Roz Lewis: [00:22:06] But that advisor, as Adam just mentioned, of going out and seeking that particular subject matter expert is what you want. And those people aren’t constantly there. Now, your mentor, to your point, they’re the ones know good, the bad, the ugly about you, you know. However, that allows you to be surrounded by all of the resources that you need in order to be able to scale your business. And even more so as a leader, you know, more so than anything. Because as you say, you can’t go to your employees, although there are times you can go to them, too, because they need to be your SMEs as well, right?

Roz Lewis: [00:22:44] Your subject matter experts on certain things. But you shouldn’t let that be a deterrent. You shouldn’t let that get in the way of how you’re going to continuously expand and grow and become especially innovative, you know, in developing your business. And I’m glad to hear that that’s what we’re talking about today, because I think our listening audience needs to know that. Because I know the majority of them have been thinking that.

Littie Brown: [00:23:14] Can I add one thing?

Lee Kantor: [00:23:16] Sure.

Littie Brown: [00:23:16] You had asked what were the do’s and don’t’s? And I talked about the things to do well. One of the major things that I wanted to press upon people, because if you’re going into the role as a mentee, looking to just do business with that mentor-

Adam Moore: [00:23:35] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:23:35] … then you’re not there for the right reason.

Lissa Miller: [00:23:38] Right, right. Exactly.

Littie Brown: [00:23:38] And so, in our business, getting corporate business is a big part of what we’re, you know, trying to do, but I wasn’t trying to go in with Patrick and say, “Okay, how much revenue can I get out of the bank”, you know, “How much can I sell?” Because that’s not what the focus has got to be. And if that is your focus, one, it’s going to narrow down to just one thing and you’re never going to get what you really need out of it to grow the business.

Adam Moore: [00:24:04] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:24:06] And if, in fact, you’re talking and you’re building a relationship, those things will come during the course of that time. And for us, we were fortunate to get a contract that was not actually from my mentor, but that he connected us with somebody within the organization that was not even in Georgia, that we were able to secure the business. But it was not part of, you know, “Here’s my, you know, three things I want to do.” My three things were our staffing and management, our strategic plan, and our marketing plan and direction. Those were the three pillars that we were focused on. It wasn’t, you know, revenue. We want revenue, but we want that to come as a offset of what we were able to do and learn and teach and find out about the organization.

Lissa Miller: [00:25:01] Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:25:01] Right. This isn’t a sales call.

Lissa Miller: [00:25:03] Right.

Adam Moore: [00:25:03] Right.

Lee Kantor: [00:25:03] The heart you have to have going into this is I’m open to learning and I want to kind of grow, like you were saying.

Adam Moore: [00:25:10] Right.

Lee Kantor: [00:25:10] Strategically, it’s not buy my stuff.

Lissa Miller: [00:25:12] Right. Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:25:13] It can’t be that. But now, I think it’s important, Littie, also for the small business person especially, it’s easy to kind of think you’re on an island and that there isn’t help available. And there is help available. It’s just a matter of kind of partnering with the right resources, getting involved with the right associations. But there is a lot of willing people that want to help. It’s just you have to be kind of vulnerable and humble enough to ask.

Littie Brown: [00:25:38] Exactly. And I will tell you, though, being a part of GWBC helps to make those things available, you know. So, you know, when you go to, you know, the small events, table of eight, you know, when we went to North Carolina, and even here out of Gwinnett, and you go to those events, you meet people there, not just from the classes. And the classes are great, the workshops are really good from a learning. But you also have time to just talk to people that you’ve met that you know are in business. Some of my, you know, best business friends now are all in the organization.

Littie Brown: [00:26:15] And we talk, you know, about what’s happening. And you don’t see each other because you’re out trying to run your business until you come together to one of the events. And then, it’s just like you, you know, saw each other yesterday, you know. So, you know, it’s relationship. It’s taken advantage of your certification that you’re paying for. You’ve got to go in, take advantage of that, and you’ve got to, you know, spend some time getting to know people and learning. And then, those people share not only advice, but they share customers. And they send people to you. And you grow your business that way.

Roz Lewis: [00:26:50] So, what were some of your aha moments? I mean. And, you know, Littie or Adam, you know, you can take this, and even Lissa. You know, the whole mentor-protege relationship. Surely, you had to have some-

Adam Moore: [00:27:05] Right.

Roz Lewis: [00:27:05] … during the process.

Littie Brown: [00:27:06] Well, I had more than one, but one aha moment, really, when you look around and saw the people that were in the program, it is amazing to me, like I said, I spent most of my career in corporate, the number of small businesses that do so many different things. Nobody in our class did the same thing. You know, you think about it. If you think about all eight of us-

Lissa Miller: [00:27:34] Eight.

Littie Brown: [00:27:34] … every business was not even—you know, you can say, “Hey, that’s kind of a spin off.” Uh-uh. They were just from one extreme to another. And you’re sitting back saying, “Wow, how did you get into that?” You know, “How did you do that?” And so, you really realize that there’s a lot out there, a lot of business you can help and support that you just didn’t realize it was a small business that got it going.

Roz Lewis: [00:27:58] And Adam, surely, I mean, you mentioned earlier a couple-

Adam Moore: [00:28:01] Right.

Roz Lewis: [00:28:01] … that you had to go to Lissa about, so-

Lee Kantor: [00:28:05] That was the first aha moment.

Adam Moore: [00:28:06] That was the big aha moment.

Lissa Miller: [00:28:09] We were both having an aha moment, definitely.

Adam Moore: [00:28:13] It’s like a group session. It’s okay to have a personal discussion with your protege. And I mean, with mine, it literally came down to an hour of, “Are you really sure you want to be in business right now?” And it’s okay to say that to your protege. Sometimes, you have to say kind of the harder things, not mean. You know, you’re not going to be mean about it by any stretch of the imagination, but to just get real. I mean, that was a-

Roz Lewis: [00:28:41] So, straight talk.

Adam Moore: [00:28:41] Straight talk. Straight talk and go, “You’ve got to look me in the eyeballs right now and you’ve got to commit that you’re in this for the next five years. Because if not, we need to have a different discussion”, you know, and to realize it’s okay to do that. And sometimes, that’s the conversation that needs to happen. It’s not always, rah, rah, rah, let’s go get them, let’s put together a strategic plan, let’s talk about branding. I mean, the fun stuff. That’s kind of the fun, exciting stuff to talk. Sometimes, it’s, “Okay. Let’s sit down and have a heart-to-heart. And let’s really talk about it. Is this for you? Are you cut out to do this?”

Roz Lewis: [00:29:13] So, basically, what it’s doing is level setting expectations.

Adam Moore: [00:29:16] Yeah, yeah.

Roz Lewis: [00:29:17] And literally looking in, you know, from an ideation standpoint-

Adam Moore: [00:29:21] Yeah.

Roz Lewis: [00:29:22] … of determining how are going to be able to make this a reality.

Adam Moore: [00:29:25] Yeah.

Roz Lewis: [00:29:25] And do you have what it takes-

Adam Moore: [00:29:28] Right.

Roz Lewis: [00:29:28] … in order to be able to stay there for the long-

Adam Moore: [00:29:30] Yeah.

Roz Lewis: [00:29:30] … haul.

Adam Moore: [00:29:31] Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So, that was one of my biggest aha moments this time around. It’s really just, “It’s okay to do that.” And then, be expected for them to say yes. And then, continue to push. And that was very rewarding. Very rewarding.

Lee Kantor: [00:29:47] Now, Lissa, do you have any advice for other kind of enterprises out there that aren’t really embracing this mentor-protege kind of model? Like what would you tell them? You know, any advice regarding, “Hey, if you’re going to start this, these are something you should be doing and not doing” or “This is a framework-

Lissa Miller: [00:30:04] Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:30:04] … that might work for you.”

Lissa Miller: [00:30:05] And I’m just going to give, the aha moment for me, before I answer that question, is, you know, a lot of these women-owned businesses had personal stories before they even went into business.

Adam Moore: [00:30:18] True.

Lissa Miller: [00:30:18] And hearing some of those personal stories of how people got to where they are, I mean, you know, some of them almost made me tear up, some of those stories. But to see the resilience of these businesses, it really was so encouraging. And every year, when I talk to these women-owned businesses and hear their stories, and hear why they want to be in the program, it just motivates me to continue doing it.

Lissa Miller: [00:30:41] So, I love doing this, but it is personal for me because I want to help people achieve success in life. And I understand where they’ve been and I understand where they’re trying to go. And if there’s any way that I can be of use and be helpful, I’ll be happy to do that. I don’t know if I’ve told Roz, I’ve often told my husband, I said, “If I won a million dollars, I would definitely throw it into this program because I just think it needs-

Roz Lewis: [00:31:06] We will take it.

Lissa Miller: [00:31:08] … more money.”

Lee Kantor: [00:31:08] Or-

Roz Lewis: [00:31:09] Those numbers-

Lissa Miller: [00:31:10] Personal money, personal money.

Adam Moore: [00:31:11] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:31:13] Personal.

Lissa Miller: [00:31:13] But I think, you know, organizations that are looking to do this, I think it’s something you really need to sit back and put a plan against. You need to have committed resource, a person that’s wanting, you know, raising their hand to volunteer and has the time to do it and has committed to do a good job at it. You don’t want to just throw something together because the results will show and the type of program that you have.

Lissa Miller: [00:31:35] But if you want to start small, I mean, it could be just an informal gathering of people, you know, just coming together, networking, like Littie was mentioning. A lot of times when you’re in business, you know, like you’re working so much in your business, you don’t get a chance to go out and meet other business owners. But you would find if you did, they’re sharing the same challenges that you have.

Adam Moore: [00:31:56] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:31:56] And just being able to talk to these people and to share ideas in a comfortable and confidential setting is, you know, that’s the first step, right? And understand that what is discussed in the room stays in the room, right?

Roz Lewis: [00:32:09] So, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

Adam Moore: [00:32:10] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:32:10] What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

Roz Lewis: [00:32:11] Exactly.

Lissa Miller: [00:32:12] You know, you talk about some things, you may, you know, get together for coffee or tea, or whatever, and just chat. You know, have some discussion. And then, you might agree to do this on a structured, you know, setting. You know, once a month, once a quarter, or whatever. Even doing that is helpful. And I think, you know, that’s where these programs start. And then, they start talking about, “Well, you know, we need expertise in this area. We really need to hear from somebody about how we can do X, Y, Z”, then you start putting structure around that because you’re gonna have to bring those people in. Of course, we are always bringing in people for free.

Roz Lewis: [00:32:46] Yeah.

Lissa Miller: [00:32:46] So, you know, we don’t have to dish out any money for that. But, you know, starting small with a committed group of people who are willing to share, be vulnerable with each other, and help each other, and support each other. That’s where you start.

Lee Kantor: [00:32:58] Now, when you’re building the structure for the program, are you building any kind of metrics or metrics that matter that show that, “Hey, we are making progress. There is a high five at the end of this”?

Lissa Miller: [00:33:09] Yes, we do surveys. And throughout the program, we actually have reporting that we request from the proteges, so they can tell us where they are, you know, as far as their goals. You know, have they started working on them? You know, what the progress has been? Have they completed it or whatever? And then, at the end of the program, when we have a final graduation, then they do a five to ten-minute presentation to talk about what their strengths, weaknesses, opportunities were at the beginning of the program, you know, how they’ve been able to achieve against those goals at the end of the program, and what their future plans are. So, we have all of that information and understand, you know, what progress they have been able to make through the nine-month program.

Roz Lewis: [00:33:49] So literally, one of the things I think that’s always key too is the fact that, you know, we’re not mentioning the T word enough, it’s that trust. Because going into those settings, as you say, whether it’s formal or informal, you’re going to have to trust the person that you’re talking to, that they are going to be knowledgeable enough to share information or even say, I don’t know, you know. And that’s what you’re looking for as well.

Littie Brown: [00:34:14] Yeah.

Roz Lewis: [00:34:16] You know, but we do encourage any business to make sure that they have—especially the leaders, to have a mentor or even for your employees within to have some type of mentorship that takes place within your organization. You know, there’s a saying, there are enough mistakes that have been made. You don’t have to create new ones.

Adam Moore: [00:34:37] That’s right.

Lee Kantor: [00:34:37] So true.

Roz Lewis: [00:34:37] You know, that you can learn from those existing ones. And so, you want to find someone who’s kind of gone through some of the things that you’ve gone through, you know, as well that can align and have that empathy and understanding. But then, are you willing to change, you know.

Lee Kantor: [00:34:53] Right. And do the work.

Roz Lewis: [00:34:55] Right. And do the work that’s necessary-

Lissa Miller: [00:34:58] Yeah.

Roz Lewis: [00:34:58] … you know, to make those adjustments that’s needed.

Lee Kantor: [00:35:01] And then, what happens when they complete the program? Is there like an alumni group where they hang out?

Lissa Miller: [00:35:06] Well, we were planning for that for 2020 actually.

Lee Kantor: [00:35:10] Good, good.

Lissa Miller: [00:35:10] So, yeah, we were talking about that at our last committee meeting. So, we will have an alumni group that actually will start coming to some of the group sessions in 2020.

Lee Kantor: [00:35:18] Because they can be future mentors.

Lissa Miller: [00:35:21] Correct. Correct.

Lee Kantor: [00:35:21] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:35:22] And I’m always drafting people. So, yeah. So, we’re planning for that in 2020 to have an alumni group because, you know, there are people that have gone through the program that have seen a lot of great success and they certainly would be able to share with the people coming into the program and serve as a beacon of hope for those people coming into the program that there is a rainbow at the end of the tunnel, right? And that they can aspire to do exactly what these other companies have been able to do.

Lee Kantor: [00:35:48] Yeah.

Roz Lewis: [00:35:48] And Lee, as you mentioned, you know, saying, you know, how that reciprocity works of coming back, we have had some proteges that have become mentors as well. So, that’s showing a success story as well.

Lee Kantor: [00:36:01] Sure.

Roz Lewis: [00:36:01] Because that means they are growing and feel comfortable enough to be able to take on-

Lee Kantor: [00:36:07] And they want to pay it forward.

Roz Lewis: [00:36:08] Exactly. And pay it forward.

Littie Brown: [00:36:10] You know, one thing that Lissa said that when you asked about the process or the program itself, there are two things from me, from a mentee, from a protege that I thought was very critical to our success. And that was, one, we had to turn in those reports at the end of quarters. So, you know, you couldn’t get back and say, “Oh, man, I haven’t done anything.” So, you had to turn those in, which to me, holding us accountable for actually doing-

Lee Kantor: [00:36:38] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:36:38] … what we needed to do.

Lee Kantor: [00:36:38] That’s valuable just for that exercise.

Littie Brown: [00:36:41] Yeah, just that makes you step back and say, “Okay. Now, am I on track?”.

Lee Kantor: [00:36:45] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:36:45] And then, have to say, “Are you there? Are you working on it, you know, or have you not started?”.

Lee Kantor: [00:36:49] Exactly.

Littie Brown: [00:36:50] Yeah, so-

Lee Kantor: [00:36:50] And then, “How come you haven’t?”

Lissa Miller: [00:36:51] Yeah.

Littie Brown: [00:36:51] Right. And then, the second one, when you think in the program, because we didn’t know what to expect, you’re thinking you’re gonna be with your mentor for most of that time. But then, when we had the sessions, we had three sessions that were group sessions, where you actually had some training. We had the finance training, the marketing training. And so, you were able to come together as a group. So, there was some group-

Lee Kantor: [00:37:17] So, you had a cohort-

Littie Brown: [00:37:19] Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:37:19] … of the other-

Littie Brown: [00:37:19] Of the rest of us.

Lee Kantor: [00:37:20] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:37:21] And so, to me, that really added to the program along with—because then, you took that information and those learnings back to your meeting with your mentor and talk about, you know, how does that fit in-

Lee Kantor: [00:37:34] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:37:34] … to what you’re trying to do? So, I thought that was a—they made the program very well rounded.

Lee Kantor: [00:37:39] So, the cohort component where you all got together because you’re all going through similar things individually-

Littie Brown: [00:37:44] Yeah.

Lissa Miller: [00:37:44] And sharing best practices.

Littie Brown: [00:37:45] Exactly. Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:37:46] And sharing. Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:37:46] So, that was one of the focus areas-

Littie Brown: [00:37:47] Yeah.

Lissa Miller: [00:37:47] … of the group session is to talk about best practices-

Adam Moore: [00:37:50] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:37:50] … you know, and any challenges.

Littie Brown: [00:37:50] Yeah.

Lissa Miller: [00:37:51] I mean, when Littie was talking about, you know, you can’t come into the program thinking that this is the way you’re gonna get revenue or, you know, increase-

Lee Kantor: [00:37:58] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:37:58] … your customer base. So, we actually had to turn down two women-owned businesses because that was their only focus.

Lee Kantor: [00:38:04] Right. So, that’s not the right fit for this type of program.

Lissa Miller: [00:38:06] So, that’s not a right fit for this type of program. You know, if that’s the only thing you want to do, this program is-

Lee Kantor: [00:38:11] Right. Join a regular network or anything and-

Lissa Miller: [00:38:12] Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:38:12] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:38:13] Or, you know, get some business development person in your organization.

Lee Kantor: [00:38:16] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:38:18] So, if you come in it with that attitude, you’re not going to get anything out of it because your mind is just closed to experiencing-

Littie Brown: [00:38:24] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:38:24] … any other opportunities to, you know, improve your business.

Littie Brown: [00:38:27] Yeah, it was amazing to me, even in our sessions. And think about this, when somebody brought up, you know, an issue or a question, how the rest of the group question is then, “Okay now, you put that up there. Now, how are you going to do that”, you know, or “Had you thought about this?” So there was a lot of-

Lissa Miller: [00:38:44] Peer-to-peer

Littie Brown: [00:38:44] … peer-to-peer accountability-

Lee Kantor: [00:38:46] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:38:46] … that, you know, that sounds great, but, you know, are you sure that that’s really what you want, you know, or explain a little bit more, so you couldn’t get away with just throwing something out there and not think you were gonna get challenged by, you know, the rest of the group, which was in a very trusting, learning, open, nobody felt that they were being exposed. It was all for the betterment and the good of those businesses. And so, I thought that kind of made that program really feel connected. You know, we all feel really connected with each other and with the other mentors.

Lee Kantor: [00:39:21] Was there-

Adam Moore: [00:39:23] Totally.

Lee Kantor: [00:39:23] Was there a forum for the cohort to engage throughout the nine months?

Littie Brown: [00:39:29] Outside of the sessions?

Lee Kantor: [00:39:30] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:39:31] Only if you did it one-on-one.

Lee Kantor: [00:39:32] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:39:32] Just because I knew-

Lee Kantor: [00:39:33] So, that might be an interesting component to this, to give them a forum, you know, a Slack channel or something, so they can have their own kind of group chat going, so they can share.

Lissa Miller: [00:39:40] Yeah. We had two virtual calls—

Littie Brown: [00:39:44] Yeah.

Lissa Miller: [00:39:44] … one with the proteges, one with the mentors. And really, those calls are set up, so I could hear some honest feedback on how-

Littie Brown: [00:39:50] Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:39:50] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:39:50] … everyone was doing.

Littie Brown: [00:39:51] Yeah.

Lissa Miller: [00:39:51] You know, because you didn’t want to, you know, say something about your mentor, you know-

Lee Kantor: [00:39:55] Right, right.

Lissa Miller: [00:39:56] … and your mentor’s on the phone. So, we had two different calls, you know.

Littie Brown: [00:40:00] We thought that was great.

Adam Moore: [00:40:00] Definitely.

Lissa Miller: [00:40:01] Just to call and check in, “How’s it going?” And so, you know, at those calls, we could, you know, have follow-up calls if we heard anything that was needed to be-

Lee Kantor: [00:40:10] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:40:10] … remediated because there was an issue.

Littie Brown: [00:40:11] Yeah.

Lissa Miller: [00:40:12] And not all the mentoring pairs went very smoothly.

Lee Kantor: [00:40:16] Sure, mostly.

Lissa Miller: [00:40:16] I mean, you had some that went extremely well.

Lee Kantor: [00:40:18] When humans are involved-

Lissa Miller: [00:40:19] Right. Right. Yeah. And also, you had some that didn’t go too well and that’s where we, the committee, had to intervene and have those discussions-

Lee Kantor: [00:40:26] Right.

Lissa Miller: [00:40:26] … and kind of work those issues out.

Littie Brown: [00:40:29] Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:40:30] So, now, let’s talk a little bit about the American Express, Small Business Saturday. When is that? And that’s coming up, right?

Roz Lewis: [00:40:37] It is. You know, November 30th is the day. It’s always the day-

Adam Moore: [00:40:41] Right.

Roz Lewis: [00:40:41] … at the Black Friday. So-

Lissa Miller: [00:40:43] After Black Friday.

Lee Kantor: [00:40:44] Is that what it is?

Roz Lewis: [00:40:44] Yeah, that Saturday after Black Friday-

Littie Brown: [00:40:46] It is Saturday after Black Friday.

Adam Moore: [00:40:47] Yeah, yeah.

Roz Lewis: [00:40:47] … is when it is. So, the good news is Black Friday, you’re always fighting for that one TV that they advertise for $29.99, right?

Lee Kantor: [00:40:56] Right. Yeah.

Adam Moore: [00:40:57] There it is.

Roz Lewis: [00:40:57] However, on Small Business Saturday, there’s a great opportunity, you know, to support small businesses. And we’re hoping that everyone that’s listening to us will get an opportunity to go out and support whether it’s a restaurant, whether it’s the small shops, whether it’s your—even go to your favorite spa, you know. As long as it’s owned-

Lissa Miller: [00:41:22] Good idea.

Adam Moore: [00:41:22] Right.

Roz Lewis: [00:41:22] … you know, by small business, you know, think about that and how we can generate so much revenue on that day. And it’s a great opportunity to also talk to them, right? You’re getting involved in your community as well. And I’ve been supporting small business for years. Ever since they started the program, I have my favorite shops that I go to and purchase from. And keep in mind, the holidays are coming up, too, you know.

Roz Lewis: [00:41:51] So, that’s another reason why you want to do it. So, we hope, you know, that you continue to do this. And I’m going to challenge everyone. It is not about just Small Business Saturday that happens to be after Black Friday from the Thanksgiving holidays. How about choosing some additional Saturdays throughout the year where we support and make a conscientious effort to, you know, go ahead and support small businesses? So, I put that challenge to everyone, too.

Lee Kantor: [00:42:26] Yeah, I think it’s important. Especially in your local community, it is a way, because those are the businesses that are sponsoring stuff with the schools and their kids are going to school.

Adam Moore: [00:42:35] Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:42:36] I mean, I don’t know, the banking folks probably know the stats, like that’s America, right? That’s what most-

Adam Moore: [00:42:43] Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:42:43] … businesses are, those people, right?

Lissa Miller: [00:42:44] Yeah, I don’t think we could live without them.

Adam Moore: [00:42:45] Yeah. No, no.

Lissa Miller: [00:42:46] I know I couldn’t because I support small businesses every week.

Adam Moore: [00:42:50] Right. You know-

Littie Brown: [00:42:50] Yeah.

Lissa Miller: [00:42:50] You know, in my neighborhood, there are so many small businesses that I have relied upon for several years and there’s no way I could live a comfortable life without-

Adam Moore: [00:43:00] Yeah.

Lissa Miller: [00:43:00] … you know, doing business with them.

Littie Brown: [00:43:02] I think it’d be interesting if people literally just wrote down all of the places that they go that are not part of a major corporation or major store outlet. They would be surprised how much business they actually are currently doing with small businesses and just don’t know it or not aware of the impact that they’re having.

Adam Moore: [00:43:25] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:43:26] You know, and so, I challenge, you know, come see us on Monday. We’re not open on Saturdays. If you need any print, even any banners, or any signs we can help you with.

Lissa Miller: [00:43:35] You have online presence, though, right?

Adam Moore: [00:43:37] They have.

Littie Brown: [00:43:37] Right. Yes, you can.

Lee Kantor: [00:43:38] 24/7.

Littie Brown: [00:43:39] Yeah, yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:43:39] I’m sure.

Littie Brown: [00:43:40] speedpromarietta.com. Just go there and shoot us an e-mail and just say, “We heard Small Business Saturday.” We’ve got our kit from American Express, who’s been a big, I would say, partner for us because we pay them every month. But we really rely on that type of credit that you get from American Express and their focus on small businesses. But there are a lot of small businesses, like Lissa said, that you’re just not really aware of.

Littie Brown: [00:44:11] Even when you walk into the mall, in the one off shop, there’s a shop that sells as called Transcending Tea, and they moved out to—they had two locations and now, in the town center. But it’s tea, you know, they had one of those little shops inside of, you know, the mall. And, you know, I drink a lot of tea, I don’t drink coffee. Shay Latte Coffee, I’m going to get some for my mom for Thanksgiving because she’s coming here and she drinks coffee, I don’t. But you start to think about, “Man, I know a lot of little small businesses.” You know, my cleaners, you know-

Lissa Miller: [00:44:46] Oh, yeah.

Adam Moore: [00:44:47] Yeah.

Littie Brown: [00:44:47] … that I go to, you don’t even think about it.

Lissa Miller: [00:44:48] Dry cleaners.

Adam Moore: [00:44:49] Yeah.

Littie Brown: [00:44:49] Yeah.

Lissa Miller: [00:44:49] Hair salon.

Littie Brown: [00:44:49] Hair salon.

Lissa Miller: [00:44:51] Nail salon.

Littie Brown: [00:44:52] All of that.

Lissa Miller: [00:44:52] All the salons.

Littie Brown: [00:44:53] All of that. Yeah, every salon.

Lissa Miller: [00:44:55] Every salon.

Littie Brown: [00:44:55] Yeah.

Lissa Miller: [00:44:55] Right.

Lee Kantor: [00:44:56] And when you’re working with them, you’re giving—I mean, you’re impacting their family like this is-

Adam Moore: [00:45:01] Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Lissa Miller: [00:45:01] Yes, exactly.

Lee Kantor: [00:45:01] It’s a personal thing, you know.

Littie Brown: [00:45:03] Exactly.

Adam Moore: [00:45:03] It’s really unbelievable because we’ve done financial impact study. So, looking at supplier diversity.

Lee Kantor: [00:45:07] Right.

Adam Moore: [00:45:08] You know, we want to know what is the downstream impact. Talk about an aha moment, I mean, when I saw a report that we had done and you saw the direct and indirect, I mean, truly, the downstream ripple effect is unbelievable. The amount of families you’re helping. And then-

Lee Kantor: [00:45:21] Right.

Adam Moore: [00:45:21] … the families inside of those communities and you’re helping those communities.

Lissa Miller: [00:45:25] Job creation.

Adam Moore: [00:45:25] Job creation and opportunity creation.

Lee Kantor: [00:45:28] Right.

Adam Moore: [00:45:28] It is absolutely astounding. So, you actually can do a lot with a little just by making a purchase at, you know, your local tea shop or your favorite salon. I mean, it truly makes a big impact in the communities that those places sit in. So, yeah. This is not just doing well for small businesses, but it’s helping small businesses impact those communities. Impacting those communities helps all of us. So-

Lissa Miller: [00:45:50] Right.

Adam Moore: [00:45:50] … it’s crucial.

Lee Kantor: [00:45:51] And it’s one of those things where like GWBC is so instrumental and your support, center support of them is so instrumental because though nobody gives them the time of day, this little shop, right? Like they’re out there battling on their own, they’re trying to figure things out. And, you know, they might know a little bit about what they’re doing, but they’re going boldly forward. They’re risking a lot.

Lee Kantor: [00:46:12] And, you know, with a kind of a small reward sometimes, you know. They’re just staying alive. When organizations like yours, Roz, and SunTrust can go and help and give them a leg up and accelerate their growth and give them maybe some shortcuts or kind of smooth out that learning curve, it makes a big difference. And they are most businesses. That’s what most businesses look like. They look like the mom and pop shop, you know.

Littie Brown: [00:46:36] Yeah.

Roz Lewis: [00:46:36] Which is true. And, you know, the economic viability. You know, we don’t stress that enough of the impact that they are making, you know, in the communities. We cannot do without them, you know.

Lee Kantor: [00:46:48] Right. But they’re little, so any one of them is making a tremendous impact, so they don’t get the headlines, where like the big organizations kind of take all the air out of the room because, you know, one move by them makes is news.

Roz Lewis: [00:46:59] But we’ve got to focus on the starfish, right?

Lee Kantor: [00:47:01] Exactly. You got it.

Roz Lewis: [00:47:03] That starfish, you save.

Lee Kantor: [00:47:03] You can help that one. You can help that one.

Roz Lewis: [00:47:03] You can help that one. Right.

Adam Moore: [00:47:06] Right.

Roz Lewis: [00:47:06] You can save that one. So, that to me is what’s so important, in realizing it. And even if you don’t purchase, you know, on that Saturday, go in to say thank you.

Lee Kantor: [00:47:17] Right.

Roz Lewis: [00:47:17] Thank you for being in business. Thank you for hiring that young kid-

Lee Kantor: [00:47:20] Right.

Roz Lewis: [00:47:20] … you know, who needs that experience in order to now put that on their resume?

Littie Brown: [00:47:25] Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:47:26] Right.

Roz Lewis: [00:47:26] … that will, you know, give them an opportunity with the next company. So, that in itself is where we need to show the value of what our small businesses does for us, you know, in the community. And we could not thrive without them.

Littie Brown: [00:47:42] Yeah. And I want to add, too, though, from the B2B side, business to business side, one of the successes that we’ve had is that when we partner with other small businesses to then call on the larger companies-

Lee Kantor: [00:47:57] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:47:57] … like the SunTrust or the university or, you know, part of, I think, the program isn’t so much that, you know, I’m trying to get a direct job, but if I can get, you know, another printing company to go in with me to do a part of the job that I don’t do-

Lee Kantor: [00:48:15] Right. You’re working together.

Littie Brown: [00:48:16] … or the two of us together-

Lee Kantor: [00:48:16] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:48:17] … and go in and we’re able to win that contract. And, you know, we’re able to, you know, provide those services. There’s a lot of business to business that if we rely and use each other, that will then get us to those larger opportunities. I think that’s one of the things that GWBC pushes all the time. You know, “Are you doing business with each other?”

Lee Kantor: [00:48:38] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:48:38] You know, “What can you do to help drive that business?” Just because you need that services yourself.

Adam Moore: [00:48:45] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:48:45] And then, how do you work together to then go after businesses or go after jobs that might be larger in scope.

Lee Kantor: [00:48:53] So, now, Roz. So, the mentor-proteges, that’s everyday thing happening, right? Like this is something year-round or nine months of the year that you’re working on. And probably, the other three months, you’re planning for the nine months, right?

Roz Lewis: [00:49:05] We are. As a matter of fact, we’re in the planning stages now. And so, we will launch 2020’s Mentor Protege program next January. But we’ve already started our application process. Yes, you must be a certified woman-owned business of the Greater Women’s Business Council in order to be considered to be a part of the mentor-protege program. But, you know, this message is also, you know, to the corporations, you know, as well. Is this an incentive for you to get certified as a woman-owned business? Yes. But not only with our organization, look at other organizations that you can be a part of and find out if they have a mentor-protege program. If they don’t, challenge them-

Lee Kantor: [00:49:50] Right.

Roz Lewis: [00:49:50] … you know, to start one. You know, just as we were challenged to start one because we saw that as a need. And, you know, one of the things, you know, that we must say about mentoring, that there was a strong reason why we did it. Because believe it or not, that’s the number one challenge for women businesses, is identifying mentoring and mentors, you know, and advisors, you know, for their business, and access to capital. So, we got SunTrust again.

Lee Kantor: [00:50:18] That’s why they’re here. They checked a lot of boxes.

Roz Lewis: [00:50:18] Yeah, that SunTrust is sharing around too, you know, that money. They need money in order to support those contracts. But I do challenge other organizations, if you don’t, and start it yourself. You know, it doesn’t mean that you’ve constantly got to look for someone else. You be the change that you want to see, you know, in the world. Who said that, Gandhi?

Lee Kantor: [00:50:44] Yeah.

Roz Lewis: [00:50:44] Yes. Right. So-

Lee Kantor: [00:50:45] Smart guy.

Roz Lewis: [00:50:45] Encouraging. Very smart guy.

Lee Kantor: [00:50:47] So now, if somebody, Lissa, wants to get involved with the mentor-protege going forward, are you the point person for this for next year as well or your term is up?

Lissa Miller: [00:50:57] No, I’m still in the program, I think.

Roz Lewis: [00:51:00] She’s still the chair.

Lissa Miller: [00:51:02] I’m still the chair for now. Yes.

Lee Kantor: [00:51:04] So, what do you need more of and how can we help you?

Lissa Miller: [00:51:06] We need both, mentors and proteges. Like Roz was stating, the application has gone out already for proteges to apply for the program. And there is a deadline of January 3rd for that application. If you did not receive an application, then please contact the Greater Women’s Business Council. And Roz, I don’t know what address that would be but-

Lee Kantor: [00:51:27] The website.

Lissa Miller: [00:51:28] Probably on the website.

Roz Lewis: [00:51:29] Yes.

Lissa Miller: [00:51:29] Yeah.

Roz Lewis: [00:51:29] They could contact us, the website at gwbc.org. We just changed our URL. So, gwbc.org, you’ll be able to contact us.

Lee Kantor: [00:51:40] And they can get all the information they need to apply for that. And then, what about the enterprise-level companies, if they wanted to get involved from mentorship standpoint?

Lissa Miller: [00:51:47] They can contact me directly by emailing me at supplier.diversity@suntrust.com.

Adam Moore: [00:51:57] Yes.

Lee Kantor: [00:51:57] Now, are you looking for specific types of talent to be the mentors or you’ll take anybody that-

Lissa Miller: [00:52:02] We will take anybody that’s ready, willing, and able.

Lee Kantor: [00:52:05] And they don’t have to come in knowing stuff, that-

Lissa Miller: [00:52:08] Right. Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:52:08] … you’re going to help them kind of-

Lissa Miller: [00:52:09] So, what we typically do is we set up a 30-minute call to have a conversation, explain to them what the expectations are, the structure of the program, see where their interest lies, where their capabilities and skills lie, and, you know, what they could bring to the program. And then, we’ll, you know, make sure that they’re the right fit. And then, we’ll proceed.

Lee Kantor: [00:52:27] And then, let’s give you a chance to talk about SunTrust. And like your involvement in GBWC, why that’s so important to you?

Lissa Miller: [00:52:35] Well, I’ve been involved with GWBC for what, a couple of years? Few years?

Roz Lewis: [00:52:40] More.

Lissa Miller: [00:52:40] More years?

Roz Lewis: [00:52:41] Four.

Littie Brown: [00:52:41] Certainly more than that.

Lissa Miller: [00:52:42] Four years, yes. But I’m the first vice chair of the board of the GWBC. So, I have the awesome opportunity to work with Roz and the rest of the board members in making sure that the GWBC delivers on all of the goals and projects, and strategies that they put forth. And we just finished our strategic planning meeting. So, you know, we have a lot of interesting and awesome goals that we’re trying to achieve as an organization. So, I’m so delighted to be able to serve in that capacity, as well as being the chair of the mentor-protege committee. And Adam has already been drafted for another year-

Adam Moore: [00:53:17] I have, yeah.

Lissa Miller: [00:53:18] … being a mentor.

Adam Moore: [00:53:19] Yeah.

Lissa Miller: [00:53:20] So, he’s on board again. Thank you, Adam.

Adam Moore: [00:53:22] You’re very welcome.

Lissa Miller: [00:53:23] As many of our mentors for this year have already agreed to be mentors for next year as well.

Lee Kantor: [00:53:29] That’s a testament to how powerful the program is. Now, Littie, why don’t you talk about SpeedPro a little bit? Like who’s your ideal customer and what kind of work are you doing in the community?

Littie Brown: [00:53:40] Thank you. First of all, SpeedPro Marietta, we are a large format printing company. So, we focus from anything from a banner that you might want to print to a vehicle wrap. We do all things, graphics, so from event planning to signage needs, we’re working on a project that companies that are remodeling or moving or creating and so, they need vinyl on the walls, they need, you know, wall graphics, window graphics. So, we do just about anything that has to do with printing. We can also help people. We partner with some other companies with printing their programs and brochures and things like that. We package all that together for them. But our main focus is on helping them with their large format printing. So-

Lee Kantor: [00:54:29] And your website?

Littie Brown: [00:54:30] The website is speedpromarietta.com.

Lee Kantor: [00:54:33] And then, what has been your kind of most rewarding part about being part of the GWBC?

Littie Brown: [00:54:38] These people right here, just the relationships, the commitment to you being successful. They are always encouraging. They’re always looking for ways to help us in our business. They promote our company and they’re just great people. So, just the organization. The other certified members that are there. We have great relationships. We’ve helped each other in learning. And it’s just a great opportunity for women to come together and support, and promote women in business.

Lee Kantor: [00:55:14] Now, any advice for a woman-owned business that’s not part of the GWBC?

Littie Brown: [00:55:18] Get certified. And my one advice is get certified and then, use the program. Don’t get certified thinking that you’re gonna get a lot of stuff just coming to you and you just going to sign on this-

Lee Kantor: [00:55:31] Just by writing a check-

Littie Brown: [00:55:31] Yeah.

Adam Moore: [00:55:31] Right.

Lee Kantor: [00:55:31] … and you think you’re done.

Littie Brown: [00:55:32] You pay that, “I’m certified. So now, send me some business.”.

Lee Kantor: [00:55:35] Right. It doesn’t work like that.

Littie Brown: [00:55:35] It doesn’t work like that. You’ve got to get involved and you’ve got to be active. You’ve got to, you know, participate in programs. And then, when you do that, it does come, you know. And then, know that in business, it takes a while. But the more women that are in business for themselves, that are part of the organization, it just strengthens the organization from the standpoint that there’s just more of us, that we can get a lot more done.

Lee Kantor: [00:55:59] Right. But it’s kind of a no brainer though to be certified.

Littie Brown: [00:56:03] It’s a no brainer for me. I was certified the first year I opened up in business, you know.

Lee Kantor: [00:56:07] Right.

Littie Brown: [00:56:07] So, I don’t know any reason why you would not want to.

Lee Kantor: [00:56:13] Good stuff.

Roz Lewis: [00:56:13] And one thing to note, so, you know, our audience understands about certification. It is literally to identify that you own the business as a woman-owned business.

Littie Brown: [00:56:25] Yeah.

Roz Lewis: [00:56:25] So, we’re not certifying your financials. We’re not certifying the viability of your business. We’re literally certifying that you’re at least 51 percent owned, operated, and control-

Adam Moore: [00:56:37] Right.

Roz Lewis: [00:56:37] … in running that business. And you can have other women, business partners. You can have even males within your business as part of the ownership as long as they are part of the 49 percent, you know, of the business. But, you know, one thing I want to say, too, because companies like SunTrust really understand the value of doing business with diverse suppliers. And more importantly, it’s about walking the talk. I’m a firm believer. It’s, you can have all the lip service, but are you walking the talk?

Littie Brown: [00:57:12] Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:57:12] And Lissa and Adam have been very excellent representatives of that message that comes from a company like SunTrust. Too often, our corporations don’t get that opportunity either to really talk about what they do do in the community, what they do do to help, you know, small businesses, women businesses, and minority-owned businesses. And I think that’s key more than anything to understand that when you are a customer of these companies, they are reinvesting back in you.

Roz Lewis: [00:57:45] They may not touch you personally, but they are touching someone that they can help to grow the community and become engaged. And that’s really what it’s all about. That’s really what we want, you know, to do. So, you hear a lot of us talking about women all the time, right? And because we’re a women’s organization. But keep in mind, we do have he’s for she’s. And those are men that are involved in our organization.

Adam Moore: [00:58:12] I can attest to that.

Roz Lewis: [00:58:13] Like Lee and Stone here at Business RadioX.

Lissa Miller: [00:58:18] Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:58:18] Well, great show. Once again, the information here is so important to business owners, mentoring your business to success is real. There’s ways to do it. And GWBC is doing it every year with folks like SunTrust. Thank you all for being part of the show today. And thank you all for sharing your story. We will see you all next time on GWBC Radio.