Kris Cugnon, Professional Offline Matchmaker, Dating Coach, and Wing Woman

[00:00:00] Live from the Business Radio X studio inside Renasant Bank, the bank that specializes in understanding you. It’s time for North Fulton Business Radio.
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[00:01:05] John Ray: I think you’ll be glad you did. Renasant Bank, understanding you. FDIC. And now I want to welcome Kris Cugnon. Kris is a professional offline matchmaker. Kris, welcome.
[00:01:19] Kris Cugnon: Thank you so much. Excited to be here.
[00:01:21] John Ray: I’m excited to have you here. That’s not the word I think people would have expected is offline, right? They were expecting online.
[00:01:30] John Ray: So let’s. Let’s get into this quickly. Talk a little bit about you and how you’re serving folks out there.
[00:01:35] Kris Cugnon: Excellent. Thank you so much. Sure. Absolute pleasure to be here with you today. So I am a, I’m a fierce connector. I’ve had a long career in business development, project management. So I’ve taken those skills and my passion for connecting people and helping them find their forever person. Wow.
[00:01:57] John Ray: So you were in the business world for a long time.
[00:01:59] Kris Cugnon: Long time, yes. And I actually dabbled in this just for fun as doing matchmaking singles events back when I was single and looking. But I’ve come full circle now and made it my full time focus.
[00:02:11] John Ray: That’s wonderful. That’s wonderful. Talk about why you developed this passion for matchmaking.
[00:02:19] Kris Cugnon: I actually woke up this morning thinking about this because I do have a funny story. Okay.
[00:02:24] John Ray: We love funny stories.
[00:02:26] Kris Cugnon: When I was five years old, I’m the oldest of three. The oldest tend to, be a little more take charge sometimes.
[00:02:33] Kris Cugnon: I was five. My parents were at the hospital having my little brother. And they left me with one of their best friends, a very kind woman, lifelong friend. And it was supposed to be nap time, but I got up, took a piece of paper and a pencil, and proceeded down the street asking for people’s names and phone numbers.
[00:02:53] Kris Cugnon: I don’t know what I was going to do with it, but I knew that I needed that information to do it. to launch myself into some kind of business. I actually got to really, can you imagine how terrified this poor woman, but I realized, and I look back on that and just laugh about it. Now I’ve, Talked about it so many times, but it’s the marker of who I am.
[00:03:16] Kris Cugnon: I am a connector and I’m so passionate about getting to know people on a really deep level. And my husband says I never meet a stranger and it’s, it is the truth. I take it very seriously. That’s just who you are. It
[00:03:29] John Ray: is indeed. But why, there are a lot of ways you could apply that talent and that that you have, why matchmaking?
[00:03:38] Kris Cugnon: So many people are just, there’s so many amazing people out there and they just haven’t found their person yet. And a lot of people are stuck right now, wondering what in the world to do, especially if they’ve been in a long relationship and they’re just getting back out there or they just haven’t found their person yet and.
[00:03:58] Kris Cugnon: Unfortunately the dating apps, we can talk about that later if you’d like, but they have, they’ve really done a disservice to our society. I feel like they have completely changed the face of dating. I think they were created by men, maybe just for and then everybody was forced to use them.
[00:04:17] Kris Cugnon: Everybody was forced to use them. And it’s created more problems than good. I want to be the alternative to that. We’re getting back to good old fashioned matchmaking in person conversation and networking. Yeah,
[00:04:30] John Ray: That’s good stuff. I would imagine that most of the clients that you work with have tried the online Experience.
[00:04:37] John Ray: Absolutely. And they’ve got horror stories.
[00:04:40] Kris Cugnon: There’s so many. I actually heard one yesterday at the North Fulton Chamber of Commerce. Okay. Tell us. He was finally, and they say that it takes a hundred swipes in a dating app to actually get on an actual date with an actual person. And you still don’t know who that person is.
[00:04:59] Kris Cugnon: And so yesterday, I heard yet another story. He found somebody fairly interested. They had a meeting at the bar, I think, seven o’clock. They’re supposed to meet at the bar. And he’s looking all around, could not find her. So he called her on the phone. And the woman right beside him answered the phone and he’s you don’t look anything like your pictures.
[00:05:20] Kris Cugnon: Yep. What’s with that? She’s oh I wasn’t getting much attention with my own pictures. So she And it was a completely different person. And she said I didn’t think I’d you know get to you if I just Shared my actual, so of course that the date’s over quickly and . Yeah. He was catfished once again.
[00:05:38] Kris Cugnon: So
[00:05:39] John Ray: is that what you call that? .
[00:05:40] Kris Cugnon: . They either make up their own profile or use other people’s pictures.
[00:05:43] John Ray: But you call that catfishing.
[00:05:44] Kris Cugnon: It’s called catfishing. They are, oh, there’s, it’s very deceitful.
[00:05:47] John Ray: It happens
[00:05:47] John Ray: so much. There’s a term for it. . Yeah. Yeah. That. And it’s I think people know this by now dealing in the recesses of the internet is you can be anybody you want to be,
[00:05:59] John Ray: right?
[00:06:00] Kris Cugnon: Yeah. That’s the scary part. That’s the problem. That is a big, huge problem. Absolutely.
[00:06:04] John Ray: I’m just curious about this. I’m sure, the stats on this is that how successful are those dating apps really? If we were new, knew the real numbers. Nobody would ever go on them.
[00:06:15] John Ray: Exactly.
[00:06:16] John Ray: Do you know, do you have, can you get beyond all their veneer and marketing who he and tell us what the real numbers or do you know,
[00:06:23] Kris Cugnon: well, there, there are some, and actually there was recently some research that just came out. One in three dating app users say they left the relationship because it felt toxic.
[00:06:34] Kris Cugnon: And then yeah. And then, of course, there’s, it’s just a dangerous psychological space. But you get unsolicited pictures, unsolicited people trying to contact you just in a general inappropriateness. And 52 percent of people are urgently swiping through these matches. And you just have to take a step back and say, how could you possibly find your soulmate by just glancing at a picture for two seconds?
[00:07:02] Kris Cugnon: Yeah, really. Yeah. So there, there are plenty of stats about that, but yeah.
[00:07:10] John Ray: So you. So let’s talk about how it happens with you and that process. So you’re there to help folks decompress from that experience, right? Yes. And and reconnect with as you say, some good old fashioned, just face to face, uh, meeting and talking and getting to know someone.
[00:07:31] John Ray: Yes. That’s intimidating. It’s intimidating for all of us in a way, right? Even the most extroverted sometimes. So talk about how you work with someone on on at the beginning.
[00:07:41] Kris Cugnon: We typically meet in person if possible. If not. Online video chat can suffice, but yeah, we get to know you on a deeper level, really get to know you and what you’re looking for.
[00:07:53] Kris Cugnon: And then we take it from there. We do matchmaking, but also date coaching is a big piece of what we do. Just really helping people narrow their list. If they have a very lengthy list of expectations and something they’re looking for, we help. Rope that in. And then some people don’t have a list at all because they’re completely confused or whatever their past experience has been.
[00:08:17] Kris Cugnon: They don’t know where to start or what the expectations should be. So through that conversation, we help them, guide that, guide the search. And then we can be a friend through the whole process and even provide that consultation, date coaching and I can even be a wing woman on the side to help actually have practicum experience out in public.
[00:08:36] Kris Cugnon: I can support, yeah, folks for all those needs.
[00:08:39] John Ray: I want to hear more about that. Kris Cugnon is with us folks, and Kris is a professional offline matchmaker. Kris.
[00:08:50] John Ray: People are different, right? And you just described it that some people have a lot more expectations than they ought to have. And some people just have no idea what they’re getting into. So what do you have a series of questions you take people through? Or how do you really get into knowing Who someone is right?
[00:09:14] John Ray: And so that you can help better service them in terms of matching them up
[00:09:20] John Ray: properly.
[00:09:20] Kris Cugnon: That’s a great question. I would look at it like I have maybe a flight was just delayed and I’m sitting beside somebody at the airport and she just Start to find out what their hobbies, their interests are, their career education, background and their past dating history.
[00:09:37] Kris Cugnon: What does that look like? And then eventually the conversation comes around to, and the main focus of finding your forever person is how you want to feel. And you can look at it five years down the line. How do I want to feel? When I am loved and I want to give love, what does that look like for me?
[00:09:59] Kris Cugnon: And it gets beyond physical descriptions and other things like that. So it gets really to the heart of what matters.
[00:10:05] John Ray: Do you work with women, men,
[00:10:08] John Ray: both? Both. Yep. Both. And all ages. Okay. Ages, all ages.
[00:10:15] John Ray: So what do you see are the differences in men versus women that you work with?
[00:10:22] Kris Cugnon: Women are quick to seek guidance. I think we naturally. Packed together and maybe you’re a little more social and conversational about that when we’re looking for a match men tend to not be as, as, I guess assertive with looking for that help but an equal number of men are absolutely amazing and fantastic and deserve that great match as well.
[00:10:49] Kris Cugnon: So I know they’re there but drumming them up, it takes a little more, a little extra push but I want people to feel completely comfortable. Like I’m a friend in this process. And that’s what we do. We’re friends through the whole thing and we get to know you and. And set out and find that good match for you and set you on your
[00:11:06] Kris Cugnon: way.
[00:11:06] John Ray: Okay
[00:11:07] John Ray: so we’ve had our discovery sessions, shall we say, where you get to know someone. So what about the, what they’re looking for? Do you help people clarify that? Do you sometimes find that you help people discover what things that they’re looking for they didn’t, they really didn’t know?
[00:11:32] Kris Cugnon: And sometimes just the reverse of that. Somebody has in their mind, since they’re, Whatever, a teenager, a physical description of what they’re looking for. I heard recently someone who’s looking for very good eyebrows and or a good jawline or this, that, and the other. You’re not marrying their eyebrows or their hair or their, these physical descriptors that at the end of the day, it just, it’s not an attraction, of course, that’s a good thing, but but you’re going for that feeling, like I said so yeah, absolutely, I’m, I help have those discussions and get to the root of really what’s important.
[00:12:10] Kris Cugnon: So you, I can imagine you have to have some conversations that are. Pretty Frank it’s yes, because people have expectations that are unrealistic.
[00:12:24] Kris Cugnon: Yeah, exactly. I actually just recently, there was a gentleman that had a five page list of what
[00:12:32] John Ray: I was going to ask you about that. I could imagine you get some really.
[00:12:38] John Ray: Difficult situation. So let’s just put it like that, right? Whereas people have so many expectations that they’re looking for a unicorn.
[00:12:45] Kris Cugnon: Exactly. Absolutely. And it’s, there’s a lot of reasons for that. Some people are um, I don’t want to say self promoting, but maybe that’s the word there.
[00:12:56] John Ray: Oh, come on.
[00:12:56] John Ray: I’m shocked to hear there are people like that,
[00:12:59] Kris Cugnon: and then perfectionism that’s an, and then maybe things that they, a mantra that maybe a parent has planted in their head that they have to have this person with a certain career or this certain status or certain look and, or they have to have.
[00:13:12] Kris Cugnon: Wearing or be super trendy or whatever the those hang ups are. We people have them for different reasons. Certainly past experiences, personal values priorities, cultural differences. Those all come into play when they’re Creating their list. But yeah, ideally it needs to be roped in just a notch, typically.
[00:13:34] John Ray:
[00:13:34] John Ray: Yeah, I can see how you have to have a, frank discussion once in a while with people, but so okay, so you’ve had this, you’ve had this this time together. Is that one session, several sessions or however long
[00:13:49] Kris Cugnon: it takes one session, a couple hours. Okay, cool.
[00:13:53] John Ray: And so what happens then?
[00:13:56] Kris Cugnon: Then we decide what the course of action is. So some people, date coaching and couple sessions just to talk that out, get them on track and find some, really new exciting, fun things to do around town, ways to network, that kind of thing. So it could be consultation route.
[00:14:12] Kris Cugnon: But if somebody wants help typically. There’s certain people, busy professionals, people who are very serious about finding that person quickly they can hire us to do actual matchmaking and then we set out to find those matches. We actually set the dates. So all that’s super easy.
[00:14:32] Kris Cugnon: You just meet at typically a restaurant or somewhere. at a certain time and you know who to ask for and then take the conversation from there.
[00:14:40] John Ray: So you bring, you can do it two ways and maybe more. You can actually bring the candidates. Is that the right word? Yeah, clients. Okay, the clients. You can bring your you can bring your client potential matches.
[00:14:57] John Ray: Or you can help them understand what the dating game looks like these days and launch them off into the world. Exactly. Okay. Exactly. Okay, got it. So what, give some advice on what the first few dates. What do you think the first dates ought to look like?
[00:15:16] Kris Cugnon: They should be fun. They should be fun.
[00:15:19] John Ray: That always helps, right?
[00:15:20] Kris Cugnon: Absolutely, and just usually I suggest only about an hour. No pressure. You’re just going to meet a new friend. It doesn’t have to be intimate. No expectations, especially those first one, two, three, four dates. Keep it high level. Just super fun. What you’re doing during this time is…
[00:15:40] Kris Cugnon: Setting up the rules for the dance. So you’re seeing how the two of you interact, are they on time, responsive, respectful are they interesting? And so you’re just noticing their character, the vibe and that kind of thing. It’s, and it. I say too, it’s very important that perhaps the person you’re with may not be your match.
[00:16:01] Kris Cugnon: If this is just a date that you found, but they might know someone who would lead you to their match. So if you’re keeping it friendly, you’re meeting a new friend they may have a neighborhood cookout where you meet somebody fabulous, or maybe they’re going to a Braves game and you meet somebody there.
[00:16:16] Kris Cugnon: So just a lot of times people ask me, do you believe in love at first sight? But I think what’s more important is don’t expect a spark. You might be pleasantly surprised, but don’t expect a spark rather. Think about it’s curiosity at first sight.
[00:16:33] John Ray: Ah,
[00:16:34] John Ray: okay. That’s a good way to think about it.
[00:16:37] Kris Cugnon: And a lot of people, especially those first few dates. People get overwhelmed by the task of dating. I hear that so often that they just can’t, Oh, I don’t have time, I can’t, How could I possibly do that? I think what those people are thinking is that they have to pour so much of their energy into those first couple dates and tell their life story and this and are they checking all the boxes?
[00:17:03] Kris Cugnon: But that’s not it. Try don’t get overwhelmed with that really. It’s just a one hour, go grab a coffee, a quick beverage, a slice of pizza, a shaved ice, a walk in the park, something, something super easy and you’re just getting to know a new friend. Yeah.
[00:17:18] Kris Cugnon: Yeah.
[00:17:18] John Ray: Yeah.
[00:17:20] John Ray: So let’s talk about those first few dates. And the signals that someone should be looking for beyond the obvious, there’s some obvious ones that are it’s a go or no go. But some of the signals that you should be looking for that this is a good match or not a good match.
[00:17:40] Kris Cugnon: That’s a great
[00:17:40] Kris Cugnon: question. So certainly eye contact. Eye contact is. It’s a gauge of a person’s character and really you can gauge honesty and sincerity that way. And then is the person courteous? Are they courteous? Are they are they on time? Do they respond when they say they’re going to respond?
[00:18:01] Kris Cugnon: Do they maybe um, hand you something during dinner or are they’re holding the door for you? That would be, Typically for a gentleman, but either way, it’s just signs of courtesy and respect. That’s what you’re looking for because again, you’re setting up this dance and or the rules for the dance.
[00:18:19] Kris Cugnon: Just like you are ballroom dancing. Usually the gentleman takes the lady’s hand, walks her to the dance floor. You do the dance and he returns. He returns are there. That’s I’ve done some ballroom dancing, so that’s very formal. But it’s the rules of the dance and how you’re gonna create your own personal space and then space together.
[00:18:36] John Ray: Got it. Got it. We’re here recording this show. In November 2023, a week before Thanksgiving, so we’ve got the holidays coming up that always gets real dicey, right? Talk about what the what you advise around the holidays in terms of when it’s time to introduce uh, this person that you’re think you’re getting serious about to the family or what have you.
[00:19:06] Kris Cugnon: I Would say don’t I would say don’t, this is, it’s highly personal. It’s your decision. And the moment that you introduce somebody, there could be, there could be negative comments, there could be. Questions that you just maybe aren’t prepared to answer, don’t need to answer quite yet because you’re still getting to know each other.
[00:19:27] Kris Cugnon: So certainly not only the holiday, any holiday around the entire year that’s sometimes stressful enough in family situations. So adding another person to the mix is, uh, just, I would say be a little cautious and make sure the timing is right for you. You’re the one that matters and who can make that decision.
[00:19:47] John Ray: Yeah.
[00:19:48] John Ray: Yeah. And you’ve got to make sure you’re both on the same wavelength on that, right? Correct. And that you both understand what that means and what it doesn’t mean.
[00:19:56] John Ray:
[00:19:56] John Ray: And they may be pressuring you to bring this new person around, even if they’ve heard about them or that, but it’s really on your own schedule.
[00:20:03] John Ray: Yeah. Nobody should feel that pressure.
[00:20:06] John Ray: So what about those that are single during the holidays and that just being single, it creates its own dynamic there during what is most people consider a family time.
[00:20:22] Kris Cugnon: But it’s an exciting time to. There’s so many things you can do as a single person to meet people and do your own.
[00:20:31] Kris Cugnon: networking, outside of your career you can set a challenge that you’re going to go do something new each week. And put yourself out of your comfort zone. One great thing to do for our community, but also for yourself is to volunteer. You can, there’s so many things. Year round to do for volunteering and you always meet good, kind hearted people typically.
[00:20:54] Kris Cugnon: I have some other ideas if you’d like to hear those. Please. Okay. If somebody is into, to wine tasting, there’s always plenty of events going on with wine tasting. Join them. a wine club. I’m actually a co host for the Atlanta Wine Meetup. It’s on the meetup app. Okay. We’ve got about 7000 members in that group.
[00:21:13] John Ray: Oh, wow.
[00:21:14] Kris Cugnon: Yep. Just high professionals, a lot of fun people, good people who like wine and we do a lot of fun things around year round. Wine tastings.
[00:21:24] John Ray: And it helps to like, let’s use this event as an example. It helps if you like it, right? You can’t show up at the wine event and not like wine. Right?
[00:21:35] Kris Cugnon: You
[00:21:36] Kris Cugnon: could. You could certainly go. If you don’t care for it, you can have a juice or a other drink and that would be perfectly fine. Oh,
[00:21:43] Kris Cugnon: okay.
[00:21:44] John Ray: Okay. I guess the point is you want some authenticity in this, right? Yes, of course.
[00:21:48] John Ray: Yeah.
[00:21:49] Kris Cugnon: But they’re, yeah, there are plenty more things that you can do as a, yeah,
[00:21:53] John Ray: but
[00:21:53] John Ray: there are a lot of things you can do and it’s really and this is where I guess you help your clients to really get out of the mental box that they’re in
[00:22:01] John Ray: terms of what’s possible,
[00:22:02] Kris Cugnon: exactly, and just that overwhelmed feeling or especially not having much time as busy professionals, you don’t have much time.
[00:22:11] Kris Cugnon: So you’ve got to be very intentional, very targeted on what you’re going to choose to do with your time. So
[00:22:17] John Ray: Let’s get to valentine’s day. That’s another little ticklish, a little time of the year for singles that are navigating that and whatever status they’re in, right? If they’ve got a.
[00:22:30] John Ray: Potentially budding relationship that really gets ticklish, right? So talk about your thoughts about Valentine’s day.
[00:22:38] Kris Cugnon: It’s important to, to communicate what your expectations are and your level of comfort and what you’d like to see happen. Rather than leaving people guessing or expecting something amazing or surprise.
[00:22:51] Kris Cugnon: So the ball is always in your court. And so you can guide that process to your comfort level, what you want. What you’d like to do or not do, right? So you’re empowered to drive that. And I think that helps just so there’s no, no mystery on, if two people on different pages.
[00:23:09] Kris Cugnon: Yeah, but actually go ahead. I can share a Valentine’s story. I
[00:23:14] John Ray: would love, yeah. Stories are great.
[00:23:16] Kris Cugnon: So there’s always singles, balls and galas and typically around that time of year. And gosh, it’s been over. 15 years, maybe more. Not quite 20, but somewhere in there. When I was single, okay, went to this with a couple girlfriends and one of my best friends met a gentleman there.
[00:23:37] Kris Cugnon: I helped facilitate the wing. I was the wing woman there. Okay. But they are married with two teenagers now. Wow. And absolute love story. And yeah so had we not gone there, I don’t think she would have met her forever person.
[00:23:50] John Ray: Yeah, that’s well, what a great story. Yeah.
[00:23:52] John Ray: And you’ve given me a great segue to. Question. I know people are interested in examples of successes that you’ve helped create along the way in the matchmaking you’ve done.
[00:24:05] John Ray: There’s
[00:24:06] John Ray: one.
[00:24:06] Kris Cugnon: Yes, absolutely. Naturally I, when I am out. At singles events or any kind of networking, I’m always on the lookout.
[00:24:15] Kris Cugnon: So I’m always as a connector, I’m always have my clients in mind and what they’re looking for. So I might not meet the person directly, but I’m always asking, do you know anybody? Here’s what I’m looking for. Here’s. the person I’m looking for. So I’m always having those conversations and just seeing who I can drum up where I can meet people.
[00:24:39] Kris Cugnon: And and I put the word out so people know how to contact me if they’d like to introduce a friend to me, a friend that’s fabulous and single and they’re looking for some help. That’s,
[00:24:49] John Ray: that’s great. Great work from Kris Cugnon. Kris is a professional offline matchmaker. Dating coach and wing woman, all of those things.
[00:25:01] John Ray: Wow, Kris, this is making people happy is, and that’s what you’re talking about here really at the end of the day and fulfilled is really what it’s all about for you. And congratulations on that work. That’s important work. And we’re grateful we could shine the light on that work.
[00:25:16] John Ray: Let’s get to the most important question though, which is how people can get in touch.
[00:25:19] Kris Cugnon: Absolutely.
[00:25:20] Kris Cugnon: Absolutely. On LinkedIn, it’s Kris Cugnon, C U G N O N. And on Instagram, it’s Connector Kris on Instagram, but with a K. So it’s Connector Kris, Cugnon, and you can message me either place. Okay, cool.
[00:25:36] John Ray: Kris Cugnon, professional offline matchmaker wing woman, dating coach.
[00:25:44] John Ray: She can make your life better.
[00:25:45] Kris Cugnon: I would love to. I would love to. And if your listeners have not heard, please know that you are beautiful, brilliant, and deserving of finding that your forever person that you can really feel that true love with and share. Share your love of the way that you want to share it.
[00:26:04] John Ray: That’s wonderful. Yeah. Great. Great words, Kris. Thanks again. Thank you so much.
[00:26:08] Kris Cugnon: Pleasure to be here. Absolutely. Have a great day.
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[00:28:00] John Ray: And I want to thank you, our audience. You’re just terrific. We’ve survived on this show now seven and a half years, over 700 episodes of North Fulton business radio. And that’s because of you, our listener you have continue to love us on social media. And one of the things you do that I.
[00:28:20] John Ray: I’ve heard from a number of people is you share the show with people that you might think have an interest in the services of our guests on the show. And if you know someone out there that’s looking for that forever person, then you’ve heard from Kris here today, right? But we’ve got so many other business leaders that we’ve had on the show.
[00:28:40] John Ray: And you support them in that way and honor their work in that way. And thank you for that. That also helps us because it helps us live into our mission to be the voice of business in the North Fulton region. And I am grateful for you. So thank you. So for my guest, Kris Cugnon, I’m John Ray, join us next time here on North Fulton Business Radio.