Navigating the Intersection of Art and Business with Lola Okunola

Intro: [00:00:07] Broadcasting live from the Business RadioX studios in Sandy Springs, Georgia. It’s time for Sandy Springs Business Radio. Now, here’s your host.

Lee Kantor: [00:00:24] Lee Kantor here, another episode of Sandy Springs Business Radio, and this is going to be a good one. Today on the show we have Lola Okunola. She is the Director of Growth with the Sandy Springs Perimeter Chamber and an award winning mixed media artist. Welcome, Lola.

Lola Okunola: [00:00:42] Hi, Lee. It’s great to be in your chair today.

Lee Kantor: [00:00:47] I know you’re on the other side of the mic, so it’s a little tricky, huh?

Lola Okunola: [00:00:50] It is. I generally tell my guests to relax and here I am like, okay, what do I do? But I’m just going to relax. This is going to be fun.

Lee Kantor: [00:00:58] Exactly. So for those who don’t know, can you share a little bit about your work at the chamber? How are you serving folks there?

Lola Okunola: [00:01:05] Well, so as you mentioned, I am the Director of growth here at the Sandy Springs perimeter chamber. And because of my serial entrepreneurship background and passion for business, it is the perfect role for me because I understand the pain points of business owners. And what I do here is I create programs that help them to. Meet people that they’re trying to meet. Identify who their target market is. Bring them closer to the community. We create events. We convene. We. It’s all about connections. So that’s what I do here.

Lee Kantor: [00:01:54] Now, how did what led you to the chamber? I mean, you mentioned being a serial entrepreneur. I know you’re an artist. So is your work as an artist bring you here, or do you also have experience in other businesses?

Lola Okunola: [00:02:06] Yeah. So I actually used to run my own digital marketing firm, and I was doing digital marketing for small to midsize businesses, restaurants managing their social media and their websites. And so I was doing this with a company that happened to be a member of the chamber, and that’s how I kind of came in contact with them. And I just fell in love with the concept of just meeting and networking and connecting with the community and talking about what we do and meeting people and selling. And then the pandemic came, and as you know, lots of businesses closed down. I lost every single one of my clients and poured myself into my art. And then when it was time to get back into work, I realized that the chamber was there was a role open for me, and I applied, and here I am. It’s been almost two years and I’m loving it.

Lee Kantor: [00:03:08] Now, for folks who maybe haven’t joined the chamber yet or aren’t even aware that there is a Sandy Springs chamber, can you talk a little bit about how to get the most out of a chamber experience? Because some folks think, you know, this is just another thing I got to join, but it’s an important component to a lot of people’s businesses. And there’s a in order to get the most out of it, you kind of have to lean into it a little bit, right?

Lola Okunola: [00:03:33] Absolutely. I mean, I think first of all, we take for granted the fact that we think people know what a chamber does. I think some people think the chamber is an old concept. It’s something for your parents or, you know, it’s not for you. Now, what the chamber really does is it pulls together businesses, um, community leaders, business leaders, anyone that that is in business that is looking for, whether it’s a customer or a client or something, it pulls everyone together and represents them in that community. How do we do that? We do that with events. We do that through advocacy. We do that through workshops. Um, so what we do here is we like I said earlier, we have various networking events, um, for young professionals, for business owners, for business leaders, for community leaders.

Lee Kantor: [00:04:37] But it’s businesses of all size, right? It’s not just for mom and pop. There’s a place for enterprise level, you know, billion dollar businesses or members of the chamber too, right? Like there’s something for everybody. If you’re in business in Sandy Springs, um, there’s a place for you here.

Lola Okunola: [00:04:53] Absolutely. I mean, Sandy Springs has six fortune 500 companies here. I mean, Sandy Springs is actually unique, right? There aren’t that many cities that have that many fortune 500 companies within.

Lee Kantor: [00:05:07] Like, you can throw a rock and hit a couple of them right from there.

Lola Okunola: [00:05:09] Yeah, right from where we’re sitting. And then, you know, we have a plethora of restaurants and then, you know, there’s just there’s the malls and there’s retail. I mean, there’s just so much here. And then we have the medical center right here in Sandy Springs. So it’s a very unique city in that sense. I mean, you have big companies, you have small companies. So because of that, you know, we we put them together, we liaise. You know, the small companies want to do business with the big companies. And so we pull them together. And the big companies want to be part of their community. And we we help them with that as well.

Lee Kantor: [00:05:43] So it must be really rewarding work to make that kind of an impact on the business community here. It’s so, like you said, diverse and thriving.

Lola Okunola: [00:05:52] Yes, it definitely is rewarding. Um, you know, I love to be able to put people together in a room and give people the opportunity to meet people that they ordinarily wouldn’t have met. Um, so it’s just great that we have that ability and that platform to help people convene.

Lee Kantor: [00:06:13] Now, let’s talk a little bit about your art. Uh, have you always been an artist?

Lola Okunola: [00:06:18] Okay. So. Well, my, I’ve always been an artist, but I didn’t know, um, I have for the longest time, um, loved to create, love to mix things. I think before I was even ten, I would get my mom’s, um, beauty products and mix different things together because I was going to come up with my own beauty line, or I would get Kool-Aid and mix it up and put them in bags and freeze them and sell them at. The, you know, grocery store do my own little stand in the summertime. So I’ve always wanted to create and sell. And I think, you know, I didn’t realize that that was my artistic side at the time. But now that I’m older, you know, it all makes sense. But I wouldn’t say that I didn’t consider I didn’t consider myself as an artist until maybe about six years ago. So you can call me a late bloomer, really?

Lee Kantor: [00:07:19] Because, um, I’ve interviewed folks in the past, um, about art specifically, and it’s kind of sad in my mind. Like if you talk to children at a young age, like kindergarten, they all think they’re artists like, or an artist. They like to do all the kind of stuff. And then just, I think it’s either third or fifth grade. Only a few people think they’re an artist, but only the ones that can draw interesting, like everybody else kind of takes that hat off. And they don’t, um, consider themselves artists anymore, which I think is kind of terrible. But I think that, um, you know, there’s an artistic capability in everybody. They just don’t either kind of lean into it or believe that they really are creative or an artist.

Lola Okunola: [00:08:04] I think I think you’re right about that. And I and that’s where encouragement is very, very, very important. Um, aside from the access to, um, skill development, I think encouragement is very, very, very important. Um, when I was in high school, we had an art teacher and that was like my really my I would say it was my first encounter with mixed media art.

Lee Kantor: [00:08:37] And what is mixed media art for people who aren’t familiar.

Lola Okunola: [00:08:40] So it is for me anyway. I use various mediums. So it’s not just a paint, it’s not just paint and a brush. It is other mediums, whether it is rocks or glass or rice or paper or whatever it is, or oil and acrylic, you are mixing media to create a piece of art. And so this art teacher. He had us do this project where we used paper and we used rice and we used glass. And I was so amazed at what I did that I just, I fell in love, I got home and I just would create all these things. And then after about a year, as you know, art is the first thing that kind of gets cut when you know when budgets need to be cut. So I never saw the art teacher again and, you know, never really did anything with art until I would say I want to start having kids. You know, I would like, do little things with them. But still, I didn’t consider myself as an artist. I was just being a mom that was doing arts and crafts.

Lee Kantor: [00:09:48] But even though you were very passionate about it at a young age, there was something that a light bulb went off and said, I really enjoy this. Yeah, but you kind of left it behind because there was no more structure around it.

Lola Okunola: [00:09:57] There was no more structure. There wasn’t any real encouragement per se. Um, but I think that I did have the opportunity to sort of express it in other ways. So, you know, I went on to create a business, a popsicle business overseas where I started from the ground up. I mean, just the art of mixing flavors, right? And packaging it and designing the packaging and, you know, doing the social media. My artistic side came out again there.

Lee Kantor: [00:10:31] So you were getting fulfillment from that side.

Lola Okunola: [00:10:33] I was getting fulfillment. I again, I didn’t think that I was an artist, right. I just thought, oh, wow, I’m building something and I’m making something and people love it. And so I did that. And then because I was doing that so well and I saw how it was working, then I decided to do it as a business and started helping other businesses with their marketing and social media.

Lee Kantor: [00:10:57] And so that’s so that kind of evolved just naturally.

Lola Okunola: [00:10:59] It evolved naturally. Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:11:01] And then so then when you got back to kind of creating artistic pieces, uh huh, uh, that was through your children kind of inspired that to just at least take some of the baby steps to get that.

Lola Okunola: [00:11:13] Sort of, I would say. So we, we sort of had this thing that we would do. We love to travel. So every time we would travel, I would tell them, hey, when we get back, instead of writing about our trip, we’re going to create a piece of art that sort.

Lee Kantor: [00:11:29] Of that symbolizes, that.

Lola Okunola: [00:11:30] Symbolizes where we went to. So when we went to Tokyo and Hong Kong, we did that. When we went to D.C., when we went to Italy, just wherever we’ve gone, we’ve come back and we’ve done something. So as.

Lee Kantor: [00:11:43] A family.

Lola Okunola: [00:11:44] As a family.

Lee Kantor: [00:11:44] Yeah. Kind of built this piece.

Lola Okunola: [00:11:46] Well, no. So each person did their own individually. Yeah. Individually. And you know, the kids would always be like, wow, mom, you did that. That looks great, you know? But then again, I just felt like, oh, it’s this is baby stuff. Anybody can do this. I didn’t really. Accepted until I got sick about six, five, six years ago. And I had to have surgery and I was bedridden. I couldn’t really get up, and I had this weird feeling where I wanted to draw. I just I told my husband I was like, I need to, I need to draw. I’m craving it. And he’s like, what’s going on? Anyway, when I was finally able to get up, I went to the art store and I just, I didn’t stop. I just kept creating and my kids and my husband were like, did you do that? What? This is unbelievable. And so I started sending the pictures to friends. At first I was like, hey, what do you think about these things? I didn’t even say that they were my creations. And within a day I sold a piece for $500. Wow. And there’s nothing like money for encouragement. I was like, oh, okay. And, um, the person that bought it for me was a good friend. And she said to me, so how.

Lee Kantor: [00:13:09] Did like, did she say, I’ll give you $500? Or did you say she’d say, how much is this? And you’re like $500 like, because that the pricing of art, to me is an art form because, um, there’s a guy I read, uh, Seth Godin, who’s a marketer, and he says, price is a story. Yeah. So like, there, you know, you can get you can get a shirt at Walmart, you can get a shirt at Nordstrom, you can get a shirt at a boutique. And it could be the same material, but it could be, you know, $5, $10, $1,000 for the same exact garment.

Lola Okunola: [00:13:44] The same thing.

Lee Kantor: [00:13:44] So how did you come up with $500 as a price? And was that your it was it the customer?

Lola Okunola: [00:13:50] Me really? I mean, and I would say, so there’s this saying, um, and I’m going to try and translate it. It’s a Yoruba saying and it’s uh, basically what it means is if you if I ask you to give me a shirt, right. If I, if I say, hey, Lee, pass me that rag, you’re going to throw it at me, right? But if I say, hey, Lee, could you pass me that design, a shirt of mine, you’re going to carefully hand it to me, right? Right. So it’s the way you describe it. It’s the way you see it. I saw my work at the time as it was worth $500. I didn’t think she would pay for it, but I just that’s just what I thought I was worth, right?

Lee Kantor: [00:14:39] And then it becomes, that’s what it’s worth.

Lola Okunola: [00:14:41] And that’s what it’s worth. You know, it’s my time. You know, the effort, the design.

Lee Kantor: [00:14:46] But it’s not. It was never in your mind about the material, because that’s where I think a lot of entrepreneurs and artists kind of get, um, they sell themselves short because they’re like, well, the canvas cost $20 and the paint costs $6. So then it’s worth, you know, $50, like. No. And it isn’t that it’s it’s because it’s what value does it provide to the buyer. Yeah. And that’s subjective. And that’s where it becomes a story. And if you position it like you did, as this is my work of art and it’s a $500 piece of art, which today probably that could be 5000 or 50,000 or 500,000. And it’s the same.

Lola Okunola: [00:15:25] It’s the same.

Lee Kantor: [00:15:25] Piece. Piece. Right.

Lola Okunola: [00:15:27] Yeah. So yeah. But she said to me something that kept me going. She said, keep painting, right. Just keep painting. And I haven’t stopped since. I tried my best to paint and to create as often as I can and to plant seeds. That’s another thing I tell myself and I tell other people is every day plant a seed. A seed could be creating. It could be talking about your work. It could be, you know, looking for opportunities for your work to advance, to give yourself more exposure. Just don’t stop. Don’t stop. Even on the hard days, right?

Lee Kantor: [00:16:09] That you got to do the work right? Like every day you have to do the work in some form or fashion. Now what? Do you have a theme around your art like? What inspires you?

Lola Okunola: [00:16:19] So, um, I am my heritage is Nigerian and so and I don’t know if you’ve ever seen Nigerian attire, but it’s very colorful and very, very beautiful. And I love fashion, so I draw my inspiration from Nigerian or African culture and fashion. And I’m also very intrigued by Asian culture and fashion. Um, even though they seem to be very different, I see lots of similarities. And so I like to fuze the two. So in a lot of my work, you’ll see lots of color and you’ll see a blend of African and Asian in my pieces. So yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:17:01] So that’s what. And then. Is it on a canvas? Or it can be.

Lola Okunola: [00:17:05] It can be on on wood. It can be on canvas. Um. To be on fabric could be on like my jacket. I have some art behind me. Yeah. So that’s it on Hand-bags. You know where anything can be my canvas.

Lee Kantor: [00:17:21] And then, um, so now how do you kind of marry your work as an artist and your work here at the chamber?

Lola Okunola: [00:17:28] Well, so I think okay, so my work here at the chamber, I think with my personality, I love to meet people, I love to talk to people, and I love learning about what people are doing. I am an entrepreneur at heart, for sure. I’m an artist. But there is also the business of art. Um, so, you know, there’s some people that are artists, but they’re, they’re they they may have never sold a piece of art, right, but they’re still artists. That doesn’t, you know, whether you sell or not, you’re an artist. Um, I think working at the chamber gives me that, um, ability to to know how to go about the business of art. Right? Because I’m, I’m meeting artists every day, as you said earlier. Business is art. Entrepreneurship is art. Whether you are selling a product or selling a service, whatever it is, you are building something, creating something for other people to find attractive enough to pay you for it. Right? And I’m learning from other people as as much as I am helping businesses, I am also learning from them. So it’s it’s a win win, right?

Lee Kantor: [00:18:42] And that’s the beauty of a chamber is where it’s so collaborative and everybody is kind of helping each other raise everybody up.

Lola Okunola: [00:18:50] Exactly.

Lee Kantor: [00:18:51] It isn’t, uh, kind of that zero sum mentality that a lot of people have very transactional. It’s very relationship driven and it’s very collaborative.

Lola Okunola: [00:19:00] Yeah. And I’ve made some amazing connections here at the chamber, obviously. And and what I tell people is this, you know, like you said earlier, you get what you put in, you have to be engaged. I mean, nobody goes to the ATM to withdraw when they haven’t deposited. Right? So, you know, if you’re a member of a chamber, be involved. If you’re not a member of a chamber, join one. It’s your network is your net worth. We hear it all the time. It sounds cliche, but it’s true.

Lee Kantor: [00:19:32] So now regarding your art, how do you kind of get it out there? Do you, um, or is it a galleries if somebody wanted to see it, is it online where they can go to your website and they can see some of it there and buy it there, like, how does that part work?

Lola Okunola: [00:19:45] Yeah. So, um, when I first started, my, my son, who was 13 at the time, was like, mom, you need an Instagram page. I was like, are you? Why do I need that? Anyway? I, I did it and I had so much success with that. So many people have contacted me on, um, Instagram. I mean, I’ve had my work in London and an art gallery there. I’ve been my my work has been on a prime time TV show. I’ve done interviews on live TV. Um, my work has been in galleries here in Atlanta, in Florida and West Elm stores. I mean, I’ve just so had a lot of success.

Lee Kantor: [00:20:27] Like, how does a gallery in London even know you exist? Like, how does that how like that doesn’t happen accidentally, right? Like there has to be some intention and some proactive. Well, you know.

Lola Okunola: [00:20:39] Honestly, in some cases, yes. And sometimes they literally just find you. Right. But you have.

Lee Kantor: [00:20:45] To put something.

Lola Okunola: [00:20:46] Out. You have to put something out there like, yes, you.

Lee Kantor: [00:20:48] Can’t just paint and leave it in your house and wait for someone to knock on the door and say, hey, I want this. No.

Lola Okunola: [00:20:55] And this is what planting seeds is all about, you know? I mean, you your son Max is an artist. You know, I would love to to talk about him as well. Like, it’s all part of the work. Yes. You’re an artist. Yes, you’re a business owner. You paint a picture, you’ve got to put it out there, you’ve got to put it out there. So I post even on days where I’m like, I don’t really like that, or I’m a little shy or I don’t know if I should. And I put it out there and and then you never know who’s going to see it. Um, you never know who’s going to forward it. You never know who it is. I mean, just last week I posted something that I created a year ago, and I just thought, you know what? It’s the first day of spring. I’m just going to put it out there. And I did. And within 24 hours, I got a message from a hotel saying they want to have my work in their hotel, and it’s and it was going to.

Lee Kantor: [00:21:52] Happen, but it was sitting in it was.

Lola Okunola: [00:21:54] Sitting in my studio for a whole year.

Lee Kantor: [00:21:57] A whole year, and no one knew it existed.

Lola Okunola: [00:21:58] No one knew it existed.

Lee Kantor: [00:22:00] And you put it out to the universe and somebody knows it exists now, and they raise their hand and say, hey.

Lola Okunola: [00:22:05] I want it right. I want to have it in my hotel.

Lee Kantor: [00:22:08] And that’s a great lesson for entrepreneurs. Like your fear is holding you back a lot of times when just take the risk and share and you don’t know what’s going to happen next once you put it out. And as the Seth Godin another you know, I mentioned him earlier, he says you have to publish, you have to put it out to the world. You can’t just hold this stuff in and then expect anything good to happen. You have to put it out there. And sure, there’s a risk. It may be crickets and nobody does anything, but.

Lola Okunola: [00:22:40] At least you didn’t.

Lee Kantor: [00:22:42] Say I want it to. That could happen as well.

Lola Okunola: [00:22:44] That could happen as well. You know. You just don’t know until you try. So I’ve had lots I have lots of stories like that where, you know, I just put something out there or I send an email to someone and, or I just pick up the phone and call and say, hey, I want to do this. And they’re like, yeah, we’d love to have you, right?

Lee Kantor: [00:23:03] The world is more welcoming than I think a lot of people.

Lola Okunola: [00:23:07] Think you’re right.

Lee Kantor: [00:23:08] They think like, oh, this person doesn’t care, or they would never take my call or they would. Never be interested, and a lot of times they will be interested and you don’t know until you put in the effort to try.

Lola Okunola: [00:23:19] Yeah, yeah, you just never know. And another thing that, you know, I think people don’t say enough of is, you know, there’s there going to be rejections. Right. So I just told you this wonderful story. But like, yeah, out of maybe every 50 emails I send, maybe I get one response, right? And sometimes the response is not even a yes, right? But don’t stop, right?

Lee Kantor: [00:23:47] No, I agree 100%. And that’s the hardest part for entrepreneurs, that fear of rejection holds them back a lot of times, and they don’t take the full swing to try. And they think that doing the art is enough and doing the art is super important. You can’t do anything without that part of it. But you have to share too. You have to publish. You have to put it out to the world and then let it just play out and and get the feedback from the world and then say, look, maybe I have to adjust some of this. I got to do some of this, or else I can say, look, you know what? I’m going to just keep doing my thing. And and if an audience comes from that, that’s great. If it doesn’t, it’s great to.

Lola Okunola: [00:24:26] Not only do you think, though, that that that what we just talked about is not taught because I don’t think I learned that part, like you hear a lot about, you know, honing in on your craft, you know, making it better, doing the best work you can. But people don’t really talk a lot about showing your work. Right? Right. I agree, because, I mean, I come from a generation where, you know, tooting your own horn is tacky, right? And I think a lot of people are, you know, in that place where it’s like, is this, you know, am I being tacky? You know, I’m supposed to be humble. People are supposed to discover me. Right? Um, and I think maybe, you know, people aren’t taught enough that this is how you show your work, like, do the work, but then you’ve got to show the work you had to show up. You have to be ready.

Lee Kantor: [00:25:25] I think that when it comes to showing your work, there’s an elegant way to do that, and there’s an inelegant way. And I think that the the part people don’t like, the icky part of self-promotion is if it comes across as, look at me how great I am, look at me how great I am. But if you do work and you share and go, hey, this is something I’ve worked on and let the person have the opinion, whether they like it or not, whether they want it or not. I think that’s a more elegant way than than coming across and saying, hey, look at how great of an artist I am. Look at, look at this great piece I did. You know, you should buy this. You know, like that comes across, I think in my opinion too. Forward where put it out there and let the market decide, you know, if they like it or not. But you don’t have to kind of force it down someone’s throat like a like a used car salesman.

Lola Okunola: [00:26:16] Yeah, yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:26:17] But it’s a I think it’s a tough lesson and it takes it takes practice. And the only way to do it is by putting it out there.

Lola Okunola: [00:26:24] You gotta try.

Lee Kantor: [00:26:25] I mean, like, you put stuff in a gallery, like you invite people to the gallery, you don’t invite them, you know, you don’t tell them to to buy the thing. No.

Lola Okunola: [00:26:35] Come and see my work. Right?

Lee Kantor: [00:26:36] That’s all you’re asking. The ask is just look at it.

Lola Okunola: [00:26:38] Yeah, just look at it.

Lee Kantor: [00:26:39] You’re not asking to buy it.

Lola Okunola: [00:26:40] Feel like it’s nice enough for you to to want in your home. Oh that’s wonderful. Right. But come and see because I’m proud of what I’ve done. Right. And whether you buy it or not, I’m still proud of it.

Lee Kantor: [00:26:52] Exactly. And that’s the thing. You’re doing it for you. Really? Yeah. And you hope that other people come along for the ride, but you’re not forcing them to. I mean, you can’t force anyone to do anything, really. I mean, so you want to just give them the opportunity to participate if they want. Um, and that’s really the ask. And that’s the same with in business too, you know, you might have like you have the popsicle shop, you can’t make someone buy the popsicle, but you can do things to get them to come in the store. And hopefully they come in and try it and they buy it at some point.

Lola Okunola: [00:27:25] Yeah. You know, you create the product or the art piece or the business and you know, and you quality is very, very important. It’s very important to me.

Lee Kantor: [00:27:35] Right. Like that’s table stakes though in today’s world. Like you have to have a good quality you’ve got or you’re never going to get a repeat customer. You can convince somebody once maybe to try something that’s bad, but they’re not going to tell their friends to come back. They’re not going to come back. They’re not going to share it. They’re not going to do any of the things that a business, a thriving business, needs to happen. So quality is table stakes in today’s world, I think. I think it’s very difficult to get away with having a bad product.

Lola Okunola: [00:28:00] Yeah, but I do see a lot of businesses though, that, you know, they, they, they’ve mastered the craft of getting you in the door, but maybe not necessarily the quality. So I think there’s a way. To, you know, you got to learn the getting people in the door, getting people to come out and see and keeping them there, you know, and getting them to tell other people. Right.

Lee Kantor: [00:28:22] But that’s where the good quality, you know, it’s one of those, you know, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me, you know, you can get. If a restaurant’s food is no good, you’re not going there twice. You know, they get one shot at that, right? And you’re not posting it on Instagram and you’re not sharing it with your friends. Hey, this place is, you know, in fact.

Lola Okunola: [00:28:42] You might be sharing the.

Lee Kantor: [00:28:43] Opposite.

Lola Okunola: [00:28:44] The opposite. Yeah.

Lee Kantor: [00:28:45] So that’s, um, you know, that’s just the reality. And especially today. And when it’s so easy to share things, people are quick to share if it’s a good or bad. So, yeah, you know, you better be on your game.

Lola Okunola: [00:28:59] Yeah. Yeah that’s for sure. That is very, very true. But yeah, I mean.

Lee Kantor: [00:29:04] Well, um, before we wrap, if somebody wants to learn more about the chamber, what’s a website there?

Lola Okunola: [00:29:09] So if you want to learn more about the chamber go to Sandy Springs perimeter chamber.com. Um, you can also follow us on Instagram at SSP, c ssp chamber. Um, we are also on Facebook, Sandy Springs Perimeter chamber. And if you would like to learn about my artwork, uh, please go to my website, Contempo Africana.com. I’m also on Instagram at Contempo Africano.

Lee Kantor: [00:29:48] Good stuff. Well, Lola, thank you so much for sharing your story today. You’re doing such important work and we appreciate you.

Lola Okunola: [00:29:53] Thank you. Thank you for having me, Lee.

Lee Kantor: [00:29:56] All right. This is Lee Kantor. We’ll see y’all next time on Sandy Springs Business Radio.