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Why Value Pricing Still Feels Hard with Alastair Dryburgh

July 23, 2025 by John Ray

Why Value Pricing Still Feels Hard with Alastair Dryburgh, on The Price and Value Journey podcast with host John Ray
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Why Value Pricing Still Feels Hard with Alastair Dryburgh (The Price and Value Journey, Episode 140)

Value pricing sounds great in theory. So why does it often fall flat in practice?

In this episode of The Price and Value Journey, pricing strategist and author Alastair Dryburgh joins host John Ray to explore the gap between creating value and getting paid for it. Many professionals know they should price based on results, not time. But when it comes to presenting the proposal, the conversation often unravels.

Alastair shares what’s missing from traditional value pricing advice. He explains how to help clients recognize your impact, why your most valuable work often feels deceptively simple to you (and why that’s the “paradox of genius”), and how to position yourself so competitors fade into the background. He also offers a clear perspective on how AI is reshaping pricing strategy and why clinging to hourly billing can put your business at risk.

This is a practical and honest conversation for professionals who want to price with more confidence and conviction.

The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of the Business RadioX® podcast network.

Key Takeaways from this Episode

  • Why value pricing often breaks down in the sales process
  • How to help clients see and believe in your value
  • The paradox of genius and the implications of why your best work feels like “nothing”
  • Why your pricing should reflect outcomes, not effort
  • How naming your process helps you stand apart from competitors
  • Why AI makes time-based billing a risky long-term strategy

Topics Discussed in this Episode

00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview
01:21 Alistair’s Formative Experience in Pricing
04:35 Transition to Independent Consulting
05:21 Challenges and Misconceptions in Value-Based Pricing
17:10 The Importance of Value Capture
24:42 Parallels Between Software and Professional Services
27:51 The Paradox of Genius
30:15 Client Perception and Behavioral Economics
32:03 Shaping Client Perception
35:30 The Three Pillars of Intelligent Pricing
35:58 Eliminating the Competition
42:01 The Impact of AI on Value Pricing
51:23 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

Alastair Dryburgh

Alastair Dryburgh
Alastair Dryburgh

Alastair Dryburgh is a pricing consultant and author known for helping creative agencies, consultants, and professional service firms adopt value-based pricing strategies. With a background as a finance and commercial director, he brings deep expertise in aligning pricing with the actual value delivered rather than relying on traditional time-based billing. He has written extensively on the subject, including his recent book, Pricing Genius: Getting Paid Properly for Ideas and Advice in the Era of AI, offering practical insights into how professionals can better position and price their expertise in a rapidly evolving landscape.

Beyond consulting, Dryburgh is a regular contributor to publications like Forbes and Management Today, and is often featured as a speaker at international conferences. His work emphasizes differentiation, pricing psychology, and the impact of AI on the knowledge economy. He is also known for mentoring through organizations like the Institute of Chartered Accountants and the Institute of Directors, helping leaders unlock growth by reframing how they think about pricing and value creation.

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About The Price and Value Journey Podcast

The Price and Value Journey is a show for expert-service professionals who want more than formulas and quick fixes. If you’re a solo or small-firm provider—consultant, coach, attorney, CPA, or fractional executive—you know the real work of building a practice goes far beyond pricing. It’s about finding clarity, showing up with confidence, and learning how to express the full value of what you do in ways that clients understand and appreciate.

The Price and Value Journey Podcast with host John RayHosted by John Ray, business advisor and author of The Generosity Mindset, this podcast explores the deeper journey behind running a services business: how you think about your work, how you relate to clients, and how you sustain a business that’s not only profitable but deeply fulfilling. Yes, we talk pricing, but we also talk mindset, business development, trust, empathy, positioning, and all the intangible ingredients that make a practice thrive.

With solo episodes and conversations featuring thoughtful guests, The Price and Value Journey is a companion for professionals who are building something meaningful. Produced in partnership with North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®, the podcast is accessible on all major podcast platforms. The complete show archive is here.

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include business coaching and advisory work, as well as advising solopreneurs and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their expertise, such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, coaches, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John is a podcast show host, strategist, and the owner of North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®. John and his team work with B2B professionals to create and conduct their podcast using The Generosity Mindset® Method: building and deepening relationships in a non-salesy way that translates into revenue for their business.

John is also the host of North Fulton Business Radio. With over 880 shows and having featured over 1,300 guests, North Fulton Business Radio is the longest-running podcast in the North Fulton area, covering business in its region like no one else.

John’s book, The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices

The Generosity Mindset, by John RayJohn is the #1 national best-selling author of The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices.

If you are a professional services provider, your goal is to do transformative work for clients you love working with and get paid commensurate with the value you deliver to them. While negative mindsets can inhibit your growth, adopting a different mindset, The Generosity Mindset®, can replace those self-limiting beliefs. The Generosity Mindset enables you to diagnose and communicate the value you deliver to clients and, in turn, more effectively price to receive a portion of that value.

Whether you’re a consultant, coach, marketing or branding professional, business advisor, attorney, CPA, or work in virtually any other professional services discipline, your content and technical expertise are not proprietary. What’s unique, though, is your experience and how you synthesize and deliver your knowledge. What’s special is your demeanor or the way you deal with your best-fit clients. What’s invaluable is how you deliver outstanding value by guiding people through massive changes in their personal lives and in their businesses that bring them to a place they never thought possible.

Your combination of these elements is unique in your industry. There lies your value, but it’s not the value you see. It’s the value your best-fit customers see in you.

If pricing your value feels uncomfortable or unfamiliar to you, this book will teach you why putting a price on the value your clients perceive and identify serves both them and you, and you’ll learn the factors involved in getting your price right.

The book is available at all major physical and online book retailers worldwide. Follow this link for further details.

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Tagged With: AI, Alastair Dryburgh, behavioral economics, client perception, intelligent pricing, John Ray, professional services, The Price and Value Journey, value pricing

“It’s Too Expensive”

December 16, 2022 by John Ray

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When a prospect tells you “it’s too expensive,” they’ve done you a favor:  they’re telling you that you haven’t had an effective value conversation.

The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX®.

TRANSCRIPT

John Ray: [00:00:00] Hello again. I’m John Ray on The Price and Value Journey. “It’s too expensive.” How do you react when a prospect says this?

John Ray: [00:00:11] All of us are human, and the normal reactions might be to give up, get angry, get defensive. And, of course, let that imposter syndrome rear its ugly head. Don’t give in to any of these impulses. Instead, you should mentally thank that prospect for their response. They’ve given you valuable feedback, which prospects don’t always do. Often they’re too polite to tell you that.

John Ray: [00:00:42] Further, though, and more important, if you get this reaction, it’s almost always your fault. Well, why is that? It’s because you haven’t had an adequate value conversation. A conversation which helps you determine what the client values, what they hold dear. Because you don’t understand the client’s perception of value, you’ve been in the dark as you prepared your proposal.

John Ray: [00:01:07] And here’s another reason why if a client says you’re too expensive it might be your fault. You’re only offering one option. You haven’t taken advantage of what many professional services providers are able to do. Offer three options, optimally, which are crafted to respond to the client perception of value as revealed in that great value conversation that you should have had.

John Ray: [00:01:32] Offering only one option creates a fill or kill situation, one in which you are more likely to get a too expensive response. Or just as bad, the prospect immediately accepts your proposal quietly thinking that they can’t believe you’re offering so much for the stated services at the low price that you’re offering. Effective value conversations invariably help you avoid the “too expensive” response.

John Ray: [00:02:06] I’m John Ray on The Price and Value Journey. Past episodes of this series can be found at pricevaluejourney.com or on your favorite podcast app. And if you’re not already a subscriber, I’d be honored if you would do that. You can also email me directly, john@johnray.co. And big news, I’ve got a book coming in 2023, and I would love to tell you more about that if you’d like to be in touch. Thank you.

 

About The Price and Value Journey

The title of this show describes the journey all professional services providers are on:  building a services practice by seeking to convince the world of the value we offer, helping clients achieve the outcomes they desire, and trying to do all that at pricing which reflects the value we deliver.

If you feel like you’re working too hard for too little money in your solo or small firm practice, this show is for you. Even if you’re reasonably happy with your practice, you’ll hear ways to improve both your bottom line as well as the mindset you bring to your business.

The show is produced by the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX® and can be found on all the major podcast apps. The complete show archive is here.

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Host of “The Price and Value Journey”

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include advising solopreneur and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their “grey matter,” such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John is a Studio Owner, Producer, and Show Host with Business RadioX®, and works with business owners who want to do their own podcast. As a veteran B2B services provider, John’s special sauce is coaching B2B professionals to use a podcast to build relationships in a non-salesy way which translate into revenue.

John is the host of North Fulton Business Radio, Minneapolis-St. Paul Business Radio, Alpharetta Tech Talk, and Business Leaders Radio. house shows which feature a wide range of business leaders and companies. John has hosted and/or produced over 1,600 podcast episodes.

Coming in 2023:  A New Book!

John’s working on a book that will be released in 2023. The book covers topics like value and adopting a mindset of value, pricing your services more effectively, proposals, and essential elements of growing your business. For more information, contact John below.

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