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When “Know, Like, and Trust” Doesn’t Matter

January 22, 2022 by John Ray

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The old cliché about how “people do business with people they know, like, and trust” doesn’t fully explain why clients buy or define their willingness to pay. The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX®.

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John Ray: [00:00:00] Hi. I’m John Ray on The Price and Value Journey. When know, like, and trust doesn’t matter.

John Ray: [00:00:07] A neighbor of mine just had a new standby whole home generator installed for his home, replacing an older unit. I was surprised to see this installation for several reasons. To begin with, home standby generators aren’t a common feature of homes in my part of the country. I don’t know anyone else in our neighborhood who owns one. Nationwide, it’s estimated that less than three percent of all U.S. households have a standby electric generator installed.

John Ray: [00:00:40] Further, by all outward appearances, this man would not be a great prospect for a whole home generator salesperson. He’s now retired and I know that he and his wife have considered selling and downsizing, and generators of the size he bought stay with the home. In addition, he’s got a reputation for being cheap, one he gets good naturedly teased about.

John Ray: [00:01:08] Generators aren’t one of those home improvement features which generate a positive return when the house is sold. So, the idea of this thrifty minded guy buying a generator, which costs somewhere between $5,000 and $10,000 depending on the size of the unit, was eyebrow raising for me.

John Ray: [00:01:28] If you make your living selling whole home generators, you might look at this guy and think he’s the lowest likely to buy prospect. You would have been wrong. Maybe my neighbor’s background in the insurance industry makes him risk averse. Maybe he’s had a previous bad experience with an extended power outage. Maybe a recent fall makes him value knowing lights will always be available, so he’ll always be able to see where he’s going. Whatever the reason for his purchase, my neighbor had outcomes in his mind he wanted to achieve. Outcomes not apparent by outward appearances. He’s willing to write a significant check for those outcomes, all visible evidence to the contrary.

John Ray: [00:02:18] For me, I have zero interest in this product. I’m willing to live with the risk that the power may occasionally go out and I will have to go pull out the candles. If you’re the whole home generator salesperson, it doesn’t matter how much I might like and trust you. This is where the old cliché about how people do business with people they know, like, and trust comes up short. Know who I can trust is vital, of course. Yet a customer must be motivated to buy.

John Ray: [00:02:52] As with my neighbor, those motives are not immediately apparent. The only way you would have known of my neighbor’s motivations is to have a value conversation. It’s a dialogue focused on the desires, hopes, dreams, taste, and problems of that client sitting in front of you. It’s their values instead of the features and benefits of whatever you are selling.

John Ray: [00:03:20] In his book, The Secret of Selling Anything, Harry Browne writes, “Everyone is already motivated. The only question is by what.” Your job is to find out what it is that motivates your prospect. Don’t confuse your products with motivations. No one ever buys a product. He buys what the product will accomplish. He buys because there’s something he wants for his life. Your job is to find out what that something is.

John Ray: [00:03:53] As a professional services provider, if you don’t have the patience to have a value conversation, then you don’t understand the client who’s sitting in front of you. You may think you do, but what you think you know may simply be your preconceptions. And if you don’t understand the motivations driving that client, then your pricing will be wrong, guaranteed.

John Ray: [00:04:19] I’m John Ray on The Price and Value Journey. If you’d like to connect with me, go to johnray.co or you can email me directly, john@johnray.co.

  

About The Price and Value Journey

The title of this show describes the journey all professional services providers are on:  building a services practice by seeking to convince the world of the value we offer, helping clients achieve the outcomes they desire, and trying to do all that at pricing which reflects the value we deliver.

If you feel like you’re working too hard for too little money in your solo or small firm practice, this show is for you. Even if you’re reasonably happy with your practice, you’ll hear ways to improve both your bottom line as well as the mindset you bring to your business.

The show is produced by the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX® and can be found on all the major podcast apps. The complete show archive is here.

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Host of “The Price and Value Journey”

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include advising solopreneur and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their “grey matter,” such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John a Studio Owner, Producer, and Show Host with Business RadioX®, and works with business owners who want to do their own podcast. As a veteran B2B services provider, John’s special sauce is coaching B2B professionals to use a podcast to build relationships in a non-salesy way which translate into revenue.

John is the host of North Fulton Business Radio, Minneapolis-St. Paul Business Radio, Nashville Business Radio, Alpharetta Tech Talk, and Business Leaders Radio. house shows which feature a wide range of business leaders and companies. John has hosted and/or produced over 1,100 podcast episodes.

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Confidence and Silencing the Voice in Your Head

January 21, 2022 by John Ray

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Confidence and Silencing the Voice in Your Head

The biggest problem most professionals have with their pricing starts with a lack of confidence. The solution to this problem starts with a change in perspective. The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX®.

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John Ray: [00:00:00] And hello again. I’m John Ray on The Price and Value Journey. Let’s talk about confidence and silencing the voice in your head. What’s the biggest problem most professional services providers have with their pricing? It’s lack of confidence. Hands down, no contest.

John Ray: [00:00:20] Most professional services providers I’ve worked with are secure in the notion that they can solve client problems. That’s usually not the issue. The lack of confidence manifests itself in that smirking little gremlin who stands on your shoulder while you’re in conversation with a possible client.

John Ray: [00:00:40] That prospect asks you about your pricing, and the gremlin starts whispering in your ear, “They’re not going to go for it. They’ll tell you you’re too expensive. You need this business, don’t screw it up now. If you don’t cut the price you came up with, you’ll lose the business.” You hear comments like this in your head and then you fold like the proverbial cheap suit. Whatever pricing you came up with, you backtrack. You can almost hear the cackle of the gremlin when you do.

John Ray: [00:01:17] I recently coached a client who hadn’t raised prices since she started her consulting practice. She priced by the hour – now, that’s another problem altogether. I asked her how she arrived at her hourly price. “It just felt right,” she said. “It felt right to who?” I asked. “Well, I didn’t think I could ask for any more.” Well, those responses from her revealed the problem. The focus is on her as the services provider.

John Ray: [00:01:50] Lack of confidence can be solved by a singular focus on the client. What’s the problem that the client has that you’re solving? How will their life change for the better because of your intervention? What’s the value of the solutions you’ve discussed? This perspective and the work which goes into establishing answers to such questions allows you to value price, to price based on client understanding of the value you deliver.

John Ray: [00:02:25] If there’s a question about how you came up with the price, the answer is centered around a perfectly appropriate answer, your pricing to capture just a little piece of the value your client receives. It’s fair to them. It’s understandable. And it’s a win-win for both sides.

John Ray: [00:02:42] Then, it’s not about you anymore. It’s not about the imposter syndrome or you thinking you’re not good enough. It’s not about your hourly rate or whether you deserve that amount. If you’re pricing conversation is grounded in the value you and the client have agreed the client will receive because of your work, you’ll be amazed at how much confidence you seem to have. And you’ll silence that smirking little gremlin.

John Ray: [00:03:13] I’m John Ray on The Price and Value Journey. If you’d like to connect with me directly, go to john@johnray.co or go to my website, johnray.co. Thanks again for joining me.

 

About The Price and Value Journey

The title of this show describes the journey all professional services providers are on:  building a services practice by seeking to convince the world of the value we offer, helping clients achieve the outcomes they desire, and trying to do all that at pricing which reflects the value we deliver.

If you feel like you’re working too hard for too little money in your solo or small firm practice, this show is for you. Even if you’re reasonably happy with your practice, you’ll hear ways to improve both your bottom line as well as the mindset you bring to your business.

The show is produced by the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX® and can be found on all the major podcast apps. The complete show archive is here.

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Host of “The Price and Value Journey”

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include advising solopreneur and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their “grey matter,” such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John a Studio Owner, Producer, and Show Host with Business RadioX®, and works with business owners who want to do their own podcast. As a veteran B2B services provider, John’s special sauce is coaching B2B professionals to use a podcast to build relationships in a non-salesy way which translate into revenue.

John is the host of North Fulton Business Radio, Minneapolis-St. Paul Business Radio, Nashville Business Radio, Alpharetta Tech Talk, and Business Leaders Radio. house shows which feature a wide range of business leaders and companies. John has hosted and/or produced over 1,100 podcast episodes.

Connect with John Ray:

Website | LinkedIn | Twitter

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The Red Flags of Inadequate Pricing

January 21, 2022 by John Ray

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The Red Flags of Inadequate Pricing

In a discovery call I had with a videographer, he revealed that his pricing was inadequate before he disclosed what his prices were. What are those “red flags?” Do any of them apply to your practice? The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX®.

TRANSCRIPT

John Ray: [00:00:00] And hello again. I’m John Ray on The Price and Value Journey. Recently, I was on a discovery call with a videographer. This man had been in business for about five years, and he felt like he needed to make some major changes to his business if he was going to achieve the goals he had set for himself.

John Ray: [00:00:21] About 15 or 20 minutes into the conversation, I told him, “You know, I can tell your pricing is too low.” “How do you know that?” he asked. “I haven’t told you my prices yet.”

John Ray: [00:00:35] In no particular order, I responded, there are several reasons. First, you price by the hour. By definition, a professional services provider, like you, who prices by the hour is underpricing their services. Second, you tell me that all clients are paying the same price. The problem there is that not all clients have the same values. Different clients value your services differently. You’re probably going the extra mile for clients who don’t value that added care you’re giving them and you’re not charging for it.

John Ray: [00:01:10] Third, you’re not offering options. Options are a powerful way to tailor your services to your best fit clients who love what you accomplish for them, and they’re willing to pay you a good price for that. Fourth, you complain that you feel like you’re working too hard for too little money. For professional services providers, like you, that’s always a sign of a pricing problem.

John Ray: [00:01:38] Fifth, you seem to be taking on most projects which come your way. More prospects should be turning you down because of price. Finally, I said, you’re talking a lot about what and how you do what you do instead of the challenges clients have that you solve. What that tells me is that you’re not having solid value conversations with clients at all. A value conversation is the dialogue you must have with a prospective client to understand the difficulties you’ll be helping them overcome. If you understand how your solution to their problems moves the needle for their business, then you’ll be able to set better prices.

John Ray: [00:02:25] He paused and said, “You’re exactly right. I need to work on my pricing.” In about 15 minutes, this videographer had run through just about every red flag I look for when assessing the pricing of professional services providers. If any of these red flags are flying over your practice, you have a pricing problem and your pricing is too low.

John Ray: [00:02:53] I’m John Ray on The Price and Value Journey. If you’d like to know more, go to johnray.co or connect with me directly, email me, john@johnray.co.

 

About The Price and Value Journey

The title of this show describes the journey all professional services providers are on:  building a services practice by seeking to convince the world of the value we offer, helping clients achieve the outcomes they desire, and trying to do all that at pricing which reflects the value we deliver.

If you feel like you’re working too hard for too little money in your solo or small firm practice, this show is for you. Even if you’re reasonably happy with your practice, you’ll hear ways to improve both your bottom line as well as the mindset you bring to your business.

The show is produced by the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX® and can be found on all the major podcast apps. The complete show archive is here.

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Host of “The Price and Value Journey”

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include advising solopreneur and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their “grey matter,” such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John a Studio Owner, Producer, and Show Host with Business RadioX®, and works with business owners who want to do their own podcast. As a veteran B2B services provider, John’s special sauce is coaching B2B professionals to use a podcast to build relationships in a non-salesy way which translate into revenue.

John is the host of North Fulton Business Radio, Minneapolis-St. Paul Business Radio, Nashville Business Radio, Alpharetta Tech Talk, and Business Leaders Radio. house shows which feature a wide range of business leaders and companies. John has hosted and/or produced over 1,100 podcast episodes.

Connect with John Ray:

Website | LinkedIn | Twitter

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Introduction to The Price and Value Journey

January 21, 2022 by John Ray

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Introduction to The Price and Value Journey

I’m launching a podcast, The Price and Value Journey, aimed at solopreneurs and small professional services firms.

As I mention in this introduction, the title of the show describes the journey all of us as B2B services providers are on:  building a business by seeking to convince the world of the value we offer, helping clients achieve the outcomes they desire, and trying to do all that at pricing which reflects the value we deliver.

If you’ve been following me for a while, you know that I have a particular passion around pricing, as I’m convinced that pricing is the biggest problem most professional services providers have. So this podcast will lean heavily into pricing-related issues.

You’ll hear short commentaries from me—think the audio version of the posts I make on LinkedIn, my blog, and elsewhere. I’ll also offer interviews with leaders in the professional services world.

The goal of this show is simple, to offer help in what all of us are looking for:  doing work we enjoy, for clients we love working for, and making more money along the way.

Thanks in advance for your support and feedback! If you’d like to be in touch, contact me at one of the links below.

TRANSCRIPT

John Ray: [00:00:01] Hello everyone. I’m John Ray, and welcome to The Price and Value Journey. That’s the name of the show. But if you’re a solo or small professional services firm, this title describes the journey you’re already on, whether you call it that or not.

John Ray: [00:00:18] When we start out in our business or our practice, you see, we’re trying to demonstrate the knowledge and experience we bring to clients. We’re trying to convince prospective clients of the value that we offer. Over time, hopefully, we grow. Our practice grows beyond friends and family to the contacts and referrals that have come from our marketing efforts.

John Ray: [00:00:42] Now, at a certain point, the activity of our business gets more fevered. We may have to hire a virtual assistant or maybe a full-time staff person, maybe we take on a partner. As we grow, there’s a gap between where we thought we’d be when we started out and the reality on the ground of where we find ourselves.

John Ray: [00:01:05] Maybe we’re not happy with the results of our marketing. Maybe we know we need to work on our branding or our social media game. It could be we need to do better in sales, but we don’t know how to or we just don’t like the idea of selling. Maybe we’ve got too much client turnover. It could be that we’re quite busy or even overwhelmed. And it may be even worse than that, we may feel like we’re working too hard for too little money.

John Ray: [00:01:37] Now, if that’s the case, then we’ve got a pricing problem. Maybe we know our rates or pricing is too low, but we don’t know what to do about it. Or we’re scared, if we’re really honest with ourselves. Maybe we don’t even know that being overwhelmed or too busy in our practice really is a symptom of a bigger problem that our pricing is too low.

John Ray: [00:02:06] Pricing is a particular passion for me, because I’m convinced that pricing is the biggest problem most professional services providers have. It’s not getting new clients or servicing them. It’s getting the best clients at better pricing.

John Ray: [00:02:25] Now, here’s the deal. Changes in pricing are the fastest way to change, not only the bottom line of a business, but the mindset of you, the business owner. The changes we make in our pricing mean the difference between frustration and a newfound enthusiasm for our business. Better clients to work with and working smarter instead of harder. And, of course, a stronger bottom line.

John Ray: [00:02:58] That’s where this show, The Price and Value Journey, comes in. Wherever you are on your entrepreneurial journey, the idea of the show is to share ideas and commentary, which help make you more money doing the work you enjoy doing for clients you love working for. I’ll share, not only what I’ve learned myself, but what I continue to hear and learn from clients that I work with. I’ll give you short commentaries and ideas and extended interviews with leaders in the professional services world.

John Ray: [00:03:37] I’ve been in the world of professional services in some form or role for 40 years. I’ve got plenty of t-shirts on the mistakes I’ve made along the way. I have my own business advisory practice, part of which includes helping professional services practitioners with their pricing. I also have a separate but related business, helping business owners, mostly professional services providers, who want to do their own podcast.

John Ray: [00:04:07] I welcome your feedback on the show. If you’d like to connect with me directly, you can email me at john@johnray.co or just visit my website, johnray, J-O-H-N-R-A-Y, .co. I’m also very active on LinkedIn, so you can connect with me there. My LinkedIn handle is johnray1, that’s J-O-H-N-R-A-Y-1. Thanks for joining me on this journey, The Price and Value Journey.

 

 

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Host of “The Price and Value Journey”

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include advising solopreneur and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their “grey matter,” such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John a Studio Owner, Producer, and Show Host with Business RadioX®, and works with business owners who want to do their own podcast. As a veteran B2B services provider, John’s special sauce is coaching B2B professionals to use a podcast to build relationships in a non-salesy way which translate into revenue.

John is the host of North Fulton Business Radio, Minneapolis-St. Paul Business Radio, Nashville Business Radio, Alpharetta Tech Talk, and Business Leaders Radio. house shows which feature a wide range of business leaders and companies. John has hosted and/or produced over 1,100 podcast episodes.

Connect with John Ray:

Website | LinkedIn | Twitter

Business RadioX®:  LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram

Tagged With: B2B services, John Ray, Price and Value Journey, pricing, professional services, value, value pricing

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