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Why Value Pricing Still Feels Hard with Alastair Dryburgh

July 23, 2025 by John Ray

Why Value Pricing Still Feels Hard with Alastair Dryburgh, on The Price and Value Journey podcast with host John Ray
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Why Value Pricing Still Feels Hard with Alastair Dryburgh (The Price and Value Journey, Episode 140)

Value pricing sounds great in theory. So why does it often fall flat in practice?

In this episode of The Price and Value Journey, pricing strategist and author Alastair Dryburgh joins host John Ray to explore the gap between creating value and getting paid for it. Many professionals know they should price based on results, not time. But when it comes to presenting the proposal, the conversation often unravels.

Alastair shares what’s missing from traditional value pricing advice. He explains how to help clients recognize your impact, why your most valuable work often feels deceptively simple to you (and why that’s the “paradox of genius”), and how to position yourself so competitors fade into the background. He also offers a clear perspective on how AI is reshaping pricing strategy and why clinging to hourly billing can put your business at risk.

This is a practical and honest conversation for professionals who want to price with more confidence and conviction.

The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of the Business RadioX® podcast network.

Key Takeaways from this Episode

  • Why value pricing often breaks down in the sales process
  • How to help clients see and believe in your value
  • The paradox of genius and the implications of why your best work feels like “nothing”
  • Why your pricing should reflect outcomes, not effort
  • How naming your process helps you stand apart from competitors
  • Why AI makes time-based billing a risky long-term strategy

Topics Discussed in this Episode

00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview
01:21 Alistair’s Formative Experience in Pricing
04:35 Transition to Independent Consulting
05:21 Challenges and Misconceptions in Value-Based Pricing
17:10 The Importance of Value Capture
24:42 Parallels Between Software and Professional Services
27:51 The Paradox of Genius
30:15 Client Perception and Behavioral Economics
32:03 Shaping Client Perception
35:30 The Three Pillars of Intelligent Pricing
35:58 Eliminating the Competition
42:01 The Impact of AI on Value Pricing
51:23 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

Alastair Dryburgh

Alastair Dryburgh
Alastair Dryburgh

Alastair Dryburgh is a pricing consultant and author known for helping creative agencies, consultants, and professional service firms adopt value-based pricing strategies. With a background as a finance and commercial director, he brings deep expertise in aligning pricing with the actual value delivered rather than relying on traditional time-based billing. He has written extensively on the subject, including his recent book, Pricing Genius: Getting Paid Properly for Ideas and Advice in the Era of AI, offering practical insights into how professionals can better position and price their expertise in a rapidly evolving landscape.

Beyond consulting, Dryburgh is a regular contributor to publications like Forbes and Management Today, and is often featured as a speaker at international conferences. His work emphasizes differentiation, pricing psychology, and the impact of AI on the knowledge economy. He is also known for mentoring through organizations like the Institute of Chartered Accountants and the Institute of Directors, helping leaders unlock growth by reframing how they think about pricing and value creation.

Website | LinkedIn

About The Price and Value Journey Podcast

The Price and Value Journey is a show for expert-service professionals who want more than formulas and quick fixes. If you’re a solo or small-firm provider—consultant, coach, attorney, CPA, or fractional executive—you know the real work of building a practice goes far beyond pricing. It’s about finding clarity, showing up with confidence, and learning how to express the full value of what you do in ways that clients understand and appreciate.

The Price and Value Journey Podcast with host John RayHosted by John Ray, business advisor and author of The Generosity Mindset, this podcast explores the deeper journey behind running a services business: how you think about your work, how you relate to clients, and how you sustain a business that’s not only profitable but deeply fulfilling. Yes, we talk pricing, but we also talk mindset, business development, trust, empathy, positioning, and all the intangible ingredients that make a practice thrive.

With solo episodes and conversations featuring thoughtful guests, The Price and Value Journey is a companion for professionals who are building something meaningful. Produced in partnership with North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®, the podcast is accessible on all major podcast platforms. The complete show archive is here.

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include business coaching and advisory work, as well as advising solopreneurs and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their expertise, such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, coaches, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John is a podcast show host, strategist, and the owner of North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®. John and his team work with B2B professionals to create and conduct their podcast using The Generosity Mindset® Method: building and deepening relationships in a non-salesy way that translates into revenue for their business.

John is also the host of North Fulton Business Radio. With over 880 shows and having featured over 1,300 guests, North Fulton Business Radio is the longest-running podcast in the North Fulton area, covering business in its region like no one else.

John’s book, The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices

The Generosity Mindset, by John RayJohn is the #1 national best-selling author of The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices.

If you are a professional services provider, your goal is to do transformative work for clients you love working with and get paid commensurate with the value you deliver to them. While negative mindsets can inhibit your growth, adopting a different mindset, The Generosity Mindset®, can replace those self-limiting beliefs. The Generosity Mindset enables you to diagnose and communicate the value you deliver to clients and, in turn, more effectively price to receive a portion of that value.

Whether you’re a consultant, coach, marketing or branding professional, business advisor, attorney, CPA, or work in virtually any other professional services discipline, your content and technical expertise are not proprietary. What’s unique, though, is your experience and how you synthesize and deliver your knowledge. What’s special is your demeanor or the way you deal with your best-fit clients. What’s invaluable is how you deliver outstanding value by guiding people through massive changes in their personal lives and in their businesses that bring them to a place they never thought possible.

Your combination of these elements is unique in your industry. There lies your value, but it’s not the value you see. It’s the value your best-fit customers see in you.

If pricing your value feels uncomfortable or unfamiliar to you, this book will teach you why putting a price on the value your clients perceive and identify serves both them and you, and you’ll learn the factors involved in getting your price right.

The book is available at all major physical and online book retailers worldwide. Follow this link for further details.

Connect with John Ray:

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Tagged With: AI, Alastair Dryburgh, behavioral economics, client perception, intelligent pricing, John Ray, professional services, The Price and Value Journey, value pricing

E50 The Science of Project Management and Learning Agility for Leadership Effectiveness

March 24, 2020 by Karen

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Our capacity and openness to new ideas and concepts help to expand our growth within the project management field. In this episode, we explore new thinking for science within project management and also how to benefit from learning agility. Listen to hear Josh Ramirez President of the Institute for Neuro & Behavioral Project Management and Veronica Schmidt Harvey Principal with Schmidt Harvey Consulting.

Josh gets us thinking about the science of project management and how the brain functions the help us improve as our ability to successfully deliver projects. For example, how we plan a project vs predicting how a project will play out. Predictions allow us to bring in additional sciences which will allow us to be more accurate.

Veronica focuses on leadership and techniques leaders should use to be more successful. Learning agility is not tied specifically to Agile, rather it is about applying learnings at the pace of change. She shares that while IQ and EQ are critical to effectiveness, learning agility is even more important and a better predictor of effectiveness as a leader.

In these times of self-quarantine and working from home, we’ll continue to bring you insightful conversations with project management and leadership thought leaders. We have a great lineup of international guests upcoming to cover a broad range of topics.

Tune in for upcoming shows with Project Management leaders and subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcast, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Spreaker, Stitcher,or your favorite podcast platform!

​Thanks to our sponsor THE PMO SQUAD. Visit www.thepmosquad.com to learn about the Purpose Driven PMO and all their project management services

InstituteLogoandTitleforHeaderonWebsiteThe Institute for Neuro & Behavioral Project Management is an organization that works to merge neuro and behavioral science with project management methodologies to design processes, interfaces, metrics, and skills around the beings that operate projects: humans. The institute focuses on building a foundation of science under project management, with a goal of providing practitioners with applied, evidence-based practice.

Joshua-Ramirez-on-Phoenix-Business-RadioXJosh Ramirez is a researcher at an organization (www.nbpmi.com) that is redesigning project management with behavioral, cognitive, and neuroscience, toward the emerging field of Behavioral Project Management.

He is a professor, trainer, and behavioral science consultant, with experience that includes behavioral process design, risk reduction, and project management, with work in the private sector, at several national laboratories and other projects throughout the U.S. Department of Energy.

Connect with Josh on LinkedIn and follow NBPMI on Facebook and Twitter.

Schmidt Harvey Consulting is a talent management consulting firm that partners with organizations to build strong healthy leadership pipelines through assessment, coaching and design of holistic leadership development processes.

Veronica-Schmidt-Harvey-on-Phoenix-Business-RadioXDr. Veronica Schmidt Harvey is an accomplished talent management leader and consultant with 30+ years of experience cutting across corporate, academic and consulting environments as well as a number of industries.

She currently works as an independent consultant partnering with organizations to build strong healthy leadership pipelines through assessment, coaching and design of holistic leadership development processes.

She has deep expertise and passion for the development of learning agility in leaders and is currently co-editing a book – The Age of Agility: Building Learning Agile Leaders and Organizations, which will be published by Oxford University Press. Dr. Harvey considers it both a privilege and responsibility to partner with other leaders to help them develop the mindset and capabilities that will enable them to not only survive but thrive during the dynamic times we live and lead in. Schmidt-Harvey

Some of Dr. Harvey’s most influential experiences have been growing up on a farm in NW Iowa, earning her Ph.D. in Psychology from Iowa State University, serving as a Partner with Aon Hewitt for 18 years and assisting some of the most respected organizations in the world such as Proctor & Gamble, Bank of America, Nestle, Syngenta, Union Pacific and many others.

These experiences as well as interviewing contenders for Aon Hewitt’s Top Companies for Leaders Research have provided her a unique window to some of the most effective leaders in the world.

Connect with Veronica on LinkedIn.

ABOUT PROJECT MANAGEMENT OFFICE HOURS SERIES

Project Management Office Hours is intended to provide Project Management professionals a place to drop in and discuss Success Stories, Best Practices, and Lessons Learned.  Project Management Consultant Joy Gumz has shared with us, “Operations keep the lights on, strategy provides the light at the end of the tunnel, but project management is the train engine that moves the organization forward.”  

Each of us has a unique story to tell, but collectively we share a message that organizations who embrace Project Management Best Practices perform better than those which don’t.  Organizations which align Projects to Strategy perform better.  Organizations with Engage Executive Sponsors deliver better results.  Organizations which measure Project Management performance outperform those which don’t.

During our Project Management Office Hours, we hear directly from Industry leaders how to make an impact in our profession. How we, collectively, will Advance Project Management Best Practices, One Listener at a time! 

ABOUT YOUR HOST

Joe Pusz started THE PMO SQUAD to bring real world PMO Leadership experience to the consulting space and to advocate for Project Management through his blog PMOJOE.com. The old saying is “Do what you love and you’ll never work a day in your life.” Following this mindset Joe left Corporate America in 2013 to start THE PMO SQUAD and work with fellow Natural Born Project Managers to advance Project Management Best Practices.

ABOUT OUR SPONSOR

THE PMO SQUAD focuses exclusively on PMO and Project Management consulting. Corporate America is full of Accidental Project Managers running projects who haven’t been trained to be PMs. To help solve this problem THE PMO SQUAD is on the Leading Edge with PMO As a Service. PMO As a Service allows our clients to focus on their respective core competencies while THE PMO SQUAD delivers Project Management expertise. Contact Joe at 678-591-7868. Follow The PMO Squad on LinkedIn, Twitter and Facebook.

Tagged With: behavioral economics, behavioral project management, behavioral science, Leadership assessment, leadership coaching, leadership development, neuroscience

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