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The R3 Continuum Playbook: Reducing the Stigma: Ways Leaders Can Support Employee Mental Health

March 3, 2022 by John Ray

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The R3 Continuum Playbook: Reducing the Stigma: Ways Leaders Can Support Employee Mental Health

In a recent webinar featuring Dr. Tyler Arvig, Associate Medical Director at R3 Continuum, Dr. Arvig addressed a variety of questions on employee mental health, and how leaders can make it easier for employees to request and receive behavioral health support. Dr. Arvig mentioned not only better communication, but more personal and honest conversation with employees, making modeling self-awareness and vulnerability a priority, being creative in balancing the needs of the organization with the needs of the employees, knowing when to pull in experts, and much more.

The full webinar can be found here. The R3 Continuum Playbook is presented by R3 Continuum and is produced by the Minneapolis-St.Paul Studio of Business RadioX®. R3 Continuum is the underwriter of Workplace MVP, the show which celebrates heroes in the workplace.

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Intro: [00:00:00] Broadcasting from the Business RadioX Studios, here is your R3 Continuum Playbook. Brought to you by Workplace MVP sponsor, R3 Continuum, a global leader in workplace behavioral health, crisis, and security solutions.

Shane McNally: [00:00:14] Hi, there. My name is Shane McNally, marketing specialist for R3 Continuum. On this episode of the R3 Continuum Playbook, we are featuring a segment from a recent webinar that was done with R3 Continuum’s Associate Medical Director, Dr. Tyler Arvig.

Shane McNally: [00:00:28] The webinar was titled Reducing Stigma, Ways Leaders Can Support Employee Mental Health. And it looked into the current workplace climate, what and what employees are currently feeling, ways that leaders can start to notice if their employees may be struggling, what leaders can do to help reduce the stigma of mental health in their organization and resources available to them.

Shane McNally: [00:00:48] During the webinar, we asked our audience the question of what issues are you seeing in those around you right now. And the top three responses were anxiety, work-life imbalance, and changes in productivity. What we can gather from this is that many folks are noticing their employees or colleagues struggling, but may not know how to handle it. In this excerpt from the webinar, Dr. Tyler Arvid gives advice to leaders on what they can do to support their employees and what they should be doing to help their employees that are struggling.

Tyler Arvig: [00:01:17] So, here’s, again, these aren’t in any particular order. The first thing you can do in your organization is, make behavioral health a priority and employee health a priority not just at the H.R. level or at the wellness committee level, but at the very top, you know, your C-suite folks, your president. You know, them indicating, you know, we have a business to run and we have things to do but we care about you too. And, you know, checking me in and showing that it’s something that’s not just on paper. Like the previous slide, 96% of the companies [inaudible] H.R. policy. Most still don’t feel supported. And, we often look for H.R. to be that support and that they should be and that’s wonderful and we want them to do that. But we also want our leaders, people that hired us, that support us, that run our businesses to say, “Hey, this is a priority for us, too.”

Tyler Arvig: [00:02:23] The second point, engaging your employees, we already talked about. But, really, you know, how do you communicate with them? Don’t just do it in emails. You call them. You call them for no reason. You check in with them. Are you – are you keeping them in the fold, or are they just off on an island doing their own thing?

Tyler Arvig: [00:02:42] Modeling strength and vulnerability is a bit of what I talked about before, which is – there is no – saying the great thing about this is a bad choice of words. But, you know, with COVID-19 being what it is, there’s no us in them here. Right? We’re all experiencing these things, whether we’re at a management level or the entry-level or somewhere in the middle. We’re all experiencing those stressors and those challenges, and those things. So being able to be a little bit transparent with your folks not overly so and not over disclosing or, you know, laying out your every personal problem you ever had at their doorstep.

Tyler Arvig: [00:03:31] But, again, I’m struggling with my kid. Like, you know, last year when there was distance learning for a lot of us and a lot of our kids were struggling. Yeah. And you get parents that maybe they’re not as productive because they’re trying to help their kids in school, like, not fail. And it’s a problem, and chances are you felt that too. Share it. So, really, you know, kind of joining with your folks. And also, showing some strength in terms of, you know, effective ways to manage things. You know, they might be looking to you for some level of leadership and modeling in trying to do that.

Tyler Arvig: [00:04:11] The communication I think we’ve already addressed. But, really, it’s – the important part here is your communication is two-way. It’s not just I’m dictating to you what is. It should be a dialogue. “Hey, what do you guys think would be helpful for this problem?” And then, sharing back and forth, having an open conversation. Most really good ideas and organizations don’t come from someone at the very top that dictates something and then commands people to do it. It usually starts organically at the lower level and then gets adopted at the higher levels.

Tyler Arvig: [00:04:50] Same thing when it comes to employee health and organizational health. Make sure there’s an open dialogue there. Show some creativity when it comes to things you can alter. There are things that we can’t alter [inaudible] workday or work environment or work tasks. But there are things that we can. “I got to go pick my kid up for half an hour. You know, I can adjust my schedule or, you know, tweak.” Those kinds of things. Do it. Thinking through not, you know, did you serve your nine to five and punch in and punch out for your lunch break, but did you meet the needs of the organization?

Tyler Arvig: [00:04:50] You know, Jane mentioned earlier everyone is always fearful at the beginning that, well, what if we send everyone home, they work from home and no one is productive? And, really, that fear in our organization, at least in most organizations, didn’t come true. It turns out giving people flexibility and some creativity and changing some things actually made things more likely to get done more effectively.

Tyler Arvig: [00:05:53] You know, know your lane. And, by this, I mean, you know, we can all be better supporting our people. But you’re going to get to a point where you’re like, “This is above my pay grade. This is outside of my wheelhouse. I don’t know.” And, that’s when you want to consult with an expert. I mean, our company does this for a living. It’s what we do, right? It’s our thing. And, it’s because we realize that some of these challenges, there are a lot of them you can do on your own and you can manage on your own. But if it gets to be a bigger challenge, you’re better off trying to pull in an expert who can really give you the guidance of what you need and when you need it.

Tyler Arvig: [00:06:42] The last piece I’m going to mention here is it’s really more of a self-reflective piece. If I’m going to be a leader and I’m going to lead my folks, I need to have a good understanding of myself and what my own vulnerabilities are. Right? So, I think we’ve all found, over the course of the past couple of years and most of our lives if we’ve been leaders for long enough, there’s stuff we’re not very good at. And there are things we’re good at and there are things that we really struggle with. If I don’t have a good sense of this isn’t a strength of mine and I can’t adjust for that, I’m going to struggle to really effectively lead other people. If I don’t have a sense of, you know, what my own pain points are in my personal life, I’m not going to recognize it when I see it in my people.

Tyler Arvig: [00:07:33] So, part of, you know, being a coach or a mentor or a leader or a manager to other people is being able to look internally and go, “How am I doing? What are my strengths and weaknesses? What do I need to work on?” There’s a lot of rich material there that a lot of us haven’t had to sit and think about or deal with. But when do we do, when we try and figure some of that stuff out, we actually get much more effective in what we’re doing for our organization. So, yeah.

Shane McNally: [00:08:12] I loved your point about with be creative. You know, that’s one thing from working from home is. So, you know, for me, it’s like if I’m stumped on creating something, you know I’m having just a tough time, and I can just get up and go out to the living room and go play with my cat for like five minutes and all of a sudden I come back and it’s like, “Oh, I got up. I moved.” You know, it’s a little just different than having to take a walk down the hall or go grab a cup of coffee. It’s a little bit – you know, gives me a little bit more, I don’t know, I don’t know the word, happiness, I guess if that makes sense. So, I thought that was a good point there.

Tyler Arvig: [00:08:48] All right. So, if you have an employee who is struggling, again we’ve already talked about this, ask. You know, be inquisitive in an appropriate way. You know, if you have a good relationship, they’re going to be open. And if you have someone you consider [inaudible], try and connect them with some help. I would say start with your human resources department, know what resources your company has for folks. Maybe you have different programs, different opportunities, maybe even having an understanding of what the different benefits are that people might have, be [inaudible], be that health insurance or employee assistance or whatever it is.

Tyler Arvig: [00:09:35] One of the things people that often need help, often struggle with, is they don’t know where to go or what to do, and so they just don’t do it. So, it’s our responsibility but also kind of our honor to be able to say, “Hey, you’re struggling and here, here are some things I think can help.” And help them. Don’t just say, “Oh, go talk to H.R.” You know, maybe have a conversation and maybe, you know, facilitate it. Do something a little bit more active to get them help.

Tyler Arvig: [00:10:06] And then, you know, directing resources kind of falls within that as well. But, you know, there are a lot of resources out there right now, a lot of the resources, even in private mental health treatment. You know, now telemedicine is not only a thing. It’s been a thing for a long time. It’s becoming the norm. I can see a psychiatrist or a therapist or whoever without leaving my desk. It’s much easier to get access to some of those things than it used to be. So, you know, you have apps on your smartphone, that kind of thing.

Tyler Arvig: [00:10:43] So, there are lots of resources out there. It’s not your job to know what all those are, but do know what’s available to your people and be able to talk to those a little bit. Because, again, a lot of our people are struggling. And if we can do anything we can do to help get them the help they need at that moment, it’s going to help them.

Tyler Arvig: [00:11:07] And by the way, there’s a real business element to this that I think it’s missed, and that is all these things like asking how you’re doing and directing the resources and doing a warm handoff on some of these things. These are things that will ingratiate your employees to your organization in a way that other organizations that don’t do that kind of stuff. Don’t – you know, to them, you’re just – you know, those organizations might be just a paycheck if you can take those extra steps in these cases. You know, even if you don’t pay the highest or even if you make them work a few extra hours, they’re going to do that because you care about them as people. And one of the things with, you know, people talk about the great resignation, it’s not just about pay. I mean, you might leave for a bigger paycheck. You might leave for, you know, personal reasons. A lot of it is, my employer doesn’t care about me. My manager doesn’t care about me. I was struggling and they said they didn’t care. If I’m struggling, [inaudible], it doesn’t mean I won’t leave, but the odds of me leaving are much lower if I feel like I’m in a place where I should be and you value me as a person. So, just things to be aware of.

Shane McNally: [00:12:31] This information is extremely important for leaders, but it’s also good for people at any level in a company. While the best support for an organization starts at the top, it’s important to know how to assist someone that may be struggling.

Shane McNally: [00:12:43] Looking for more information on how you can begin implementing a more supportive behavioral health program for your employees? R3 Continuum can help. Learn more about R3 Continuum services and contact us at www.r3c.com or email us directly at info@r3c.com.

  

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R3 Continuum (R3c) is a global leader in workplace behavioral health and security solutions. R3c helps ensure the psychological and physical safety of organizations and their people in today’s ever-changing and often unpredictable world. Through their continuum of tailored solutions, including evaluations, crisis response, executive optimization, protective services, and more, they help organizations maintain and cultivate a workplace of wellbeing so that their people can thrive. Learn more about R3c at www.r3c.com.

R3 Continuum is the underwriter of Workplace MVP, a show which celebrates the everyday heroes–Workplace Most Valuable Professionals–in human resources, risk management, security, business continuity, and the C-suite who resolutely labor for the well-being of employees in their care, readying the workplace for and planning responses to disruption.

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Decision Vision Episode 155: Should I Start a Mental Wellness Program at My Company? – An Interview with Dr. George Vergolias, R3 Continuum

February 10, 2022 by John Ray

R3 Continuum
Decision Vision
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Decision Vision Episode 155: Should I Start a Mental Wellness Program at My Company? – An Interview with Dr. George Vergolias, R3 Continuum

Dr. George Vergolias, Medical Director for R3 Continuum, joined Decision Vision host Mike Blake to discuss the considerations involved in starting a mental health and wellness program in an organization.  Dr. Vergolias discussed best practices for meeting the needs of people’s emotional and psychological health, the rise of telehealth, the potential returns of such programs, the characteristics of a successful program, and much more.  Decision Vision is presented by Brady Ware & Company.

R3 Continuum

R3 Continuum (R3c) is a global leader in workplace behavioral health and security solutions. R3c helps ensure the psychological and physical safety of organizations and their people in today’s ever-changing and often unpredictable world. Through their continuum of tailored solutions, including evaluations, crisis response, executive optimization, protective services, and more, they help organizations maintain and cultivate a workplace of wellbeing so that their people can thrive.

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Dr. George Vergolias, Medical Director, R3 Continuum

Dr. George Vergolias, Medical Director, R3 Continuum

George Vergolias, PsyD, LP is a forensic psychologist and threat management expert serving as Vice President and Medical Director for the R3 Continuum. As part of his role of Vice President and Medical Director of R3 Continuum, he leads their Threat of violence and workplace violence programs.

Dr. Vergolias is also the founder and President of TelePsych Supports, a tele-mental health company providing involuntary commitment and crisis risk evaluations for hospitals and emergency departments. He has over 20 years of forensic experience with expertise in the following areas: violence risk and threat management, psychological dynamics of stalking, sexual offending, emotional trauma, civil and involuntary commitment, suicide and self-harm, occupational disability, law enforcement consultation, expert witness testimony, and tele-mental health.

Dr. Vergolias has directly assessed or managed over one thousand cases related to elevated risk for violence or self-harm, sexual assault, stalking, and communicated threats. He has consulted with regional, state, and federal law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, Secret Service, and Bureau of Prisons.

He has worked for and consulted with Fortune 500 companies, major insurance carriers, government agencies, and large healthcare systems on issues related to work absence management, workplace violence, medical necessity reviews, and expert witness consultation.

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Mike Blake, Brady Ware & Company

Mike Blake, Host of the “Decision Vision” podcast series

Michael Blake is the host of the Decision Vision podcast series and a Director of Brady Ware & Company. Mike specializes in the valuation of intellectual property-driven firms, such as software firms, aerospace firms, and professional services firms, most frequently in the capacity as a transaction advisor, helping clients obtain great outcomes from complex transaction opportunities. He is also a specialist in the appraisal of intellectual properties as stand-alone assets, such as software, trade secrets, and patents.

Mike has been a full-time business appraiser for 13 years with public accounting firms, boutique business appraisal firms, and an owner of his own firm. Prior to that, he spent 8 years in venture capital and investment banking, including transactions in the U.S., Israel, Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus.

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Brady Ware & Company

Brady Ware & Company is a regional full-service accounting and advisory firm which helps businesses and entrepreneurs make visions a reality. Brady Ware services clients nationally from its offices in Alpharetta, GA; Columbus and Dayton, OH; and Richmond, IN. The firm is growth-minded, committed to the regions in which they operate, and most importantly, they make significant investments in their people and service offerings to meet the changing financial needs of those they are privileged to serve. The firm is dedicated to providing results that make a difference for its clients.

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Decision Vision is a podcast covering topics and issues facing small business owners and connecting them with solutions from leading experts. This series is presented by Brady Ware & Company. If you are a decision-maker for a small business, we’d love to hear from you. Contact us at decisionvision@bradyware.com and make sure to listen to every Thursday to the Decision Vision podcast.

Past episodes of Decision Vision can be found at decisionvisionpodcast.com. Decision Vision is produced and broadcast by the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX®.

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TRANSCRIPT

Intro: [00:00:01] Welcome to Decision Vision, a podcast series focusing on critical business decisions. Brought to you by Brady Ware & Company. Brady Ware is a regional, full-service, accounting and advisory firm that helps businesses and entrepreneurs make visions a reality.

Mike Blake: [00:00:21] Welcome to Decision Vision, a podcast giving you, the listener, clear vision to make great decisions. In each episode, we discuss the process of decision making on a different topic from the business owners’ or executives’ perspective. We aren’t necessarily telling you what to do, but we can put you in a position to make an informed decision on your own and understand when you might need help along the way.

Mike Blake: [00:00:42] My name is Mike Blake, and I’m your host for today’s program. I’m a director at Brady Ware & Company, a full-service accounting firm based in Dayton, Ohio, with offices in Dayton; Columbus, Ohio; Richmond, Indiana; and Alpharetta, Georgia. My practice specializes in providing fact-based strategic and risk management advice to clients that are buying, selling, or growing the value of companies and intellectual property. Brady Ware is sponsoring this podcast, which is being recorded in Atlanta per social distancing protocols.

Mike Blake: [00:01:10] If you would like to engage with me on social media with my Chart of the Day and other content, I’m on LinkedIn as myself and @unblakeable on Facebook, Twitter, Clubhouse, and Instagram. I also recently launched a new LinkedIn Group called Unblakeabl’e Group that Doesn’t Suck, so please join that as well if you would like to engage. If you like this podcast, please subscribe on your favorite podcast aggregator and please consider leaving a review of the podcast as well.

Mike Blake: [00:01:37] Today’s topic is, Should I start a mental wellness program at my company? According to Cooleaf, in 2015, Aetna saw a 28 percent reduction in stress levels, 20 percent improvement in sleep quality, and a 19 percent reduction in pain as a result of its mindfulness programs. And that’s just an example of the benefits that, I think, we’re at least hoping to see with mental wellness.

Mike Blake: [00:02:04] And, of course, we’re in this trans-pandemic period here, but having been in it now for two years plus, we’ve found a couple of things that, I think, are silver linings. Yes, there’s been terrible suffering. At last count that I saw, nearly one million Americans dead from the coronavirus. But there are some silver linings, I think, that have occurred. And one of them is that I think this is the most seriously I can remember in my lifetime, that people are taking mental health and mental wellness. And not just as a response to somebody that appears to be, frankly, deeply disturbed, but rather as a maintenance priority.

Mike Blake: [00:02:58] Just as grown ups, we try to eat our vegetables, we try to exercise, we try to limit our sugar and high cholesterol kinds of foods. But you know, for the longest time, I think mental health always sort of lagged behind that. Mental health was always that thing that, for somebody else, that person really should see a psychologist, that person really needs therapy, or that person really needs help, but it’s not me.

Mike Blake: [00:03:26] And, now, I think because of the unprecedented pressures, and not just the pressures but just the stress of change, the amount of change we’ve had in our society, whether it’s simply our relationship with work and our careers, whether it’s having to confront life choices that we’ve frankly been trying to outwork, our inability to make those hard choices, different modes of communication.

Mike Blake: [00:03:59] The video phone calls are funny. You know, we’ve had voice telephones for over 140 years, we’ve had video calls available for 60, and we couldn’t give those away, but all of a sudden there’s a pandemic. And, now, the only thing anybody ever wants to do is jump on a video phone call. I’m not sure what changed. But before 2020, nobody wanted to do those and now we’re all about it. But that’s beside the point. But it’s not just about the pressure, but it’s about change.

Mike Blake: [00:04:31] And change, for most people, is something that creates a lot of stress and pressure. We, as people, like routines. It’s probably a an evolutionary maintenance mechanism to have a routine. They’ve been completely disrupted, and many of us still have not settled into a new routine because, still, we don’t have a new normal yet. We have things that we hope are going to be new normal, but lots of fits and starts.

Mike Blake: [00:04:57] And so, as a result, mental wellness and mental health, generally, are much more on the consciousness, I think of the average American, I think of at least the enlightened and most capable business leaders. And it’s no longer something that’s for the other guy, but it’s now something that I think has become a conversation for everybody. And the stigma around mental health struggles, I think, has been significantly reduced, not entirely gone. You still can make fun of people that we think are crazy. And that’s something, as a society, we have to reckon with. But it is a different conversation.

Mike Blake: [00:05:38] And so, I hope you’ll agree that this is a good topic. And this decision about starting wellness programs is one that will be useful to you and your own companies, your own professions.

Mike Blake: [00:05:50] And joining us today is Dr. George Vergolias, who is Medical Director of R3 Continuum, a global leader in protecting and cultivating workplace well-being in a complex world. He oversees and leads R3 Continuum’s clinical risk, threat of violence, and workplace violence programs. And has directly assessed or managed over 1,000 cases related to threat of violence, or self-harm, sexual assault, stalking, and communicated threats. He is also founder and president of TelePsych Supports, a tele-mental health company providing behavioral risk consultation, resilience development, and involuntary commitment evaluations for hospitals and emergency departments.

Mike Blake: [00:06:33] He brings over 20 years of experience as a forensic psychologist and certified threat manager to bear to help leaders, organizations, employees, and communities heal, optimize, and ultimately thrive before, during, and after disruption. For over 30 years, R3 Continuum has served as a pioneer and global leader in workplace behavioral health and security in an increasingly complex and dangerous world. They helped to foster employee psychological and physical safety to optimize people, culture, and performance. And continue to do so during continued disruption, uncertainty, and dramatic change.

Mike Blake: [00:07:09] Over 500 organizations worldwide trust R3 Continuum to build the tailored solutions they need to promote the workforce safety, security, and wellbeing required for success. Dr. Vergolias, welcome to the program.

George Vergolias: [00:07:23] Thank you, Mike. It is a pleasure to be here.

Mike Blake: [00:07:25] So, let’s start from the basics because I think people could define this differently depending on their context. How do you define mental wellness?

George Vergolias: [00:07:39] So, the World Health Organization has, I think, a very usable and approachable definition. They define it as a state of wellbeing in which the individual in his or her own abilities can cope with the normal stresses of life. They can work productively and fruitfully. And they can make a contribution to their society. I kind of simplified that a little bit, and I like talking about mental wellness as a synergy between emotional, psychological, physical, and spiritual ways of being in the world that allow us to thrive.

Mike Blake: [00:08:14] So, you’ve been doing this a long time, obviously, you have a lot of expertise in this field. When people think about or consider implementing a mental wellness program, what does that look like? Most of us know what a physical wellness program looks like. It could be gym memberships, and it could be walks, it could be stretching at your desk, not sitting for too long, all kinds of things of that nature, healthy snacks in the break room. But I’m not sure all that familiar with what a mental wellness program looks like. So, what, in your mind, does that look like? And maybe you can share some best practices with us?

George Vergolias: [00:08:55] Sure. Really, it is a program that is designed at the highest level around meeting the needs of people’s emotional and psychological health. I mean, that’s kind of built into the definition. So, what does that mean in terms of best practice or what should you consider if you’re a leader at an organization? There’s a number of things that I’d recommend.

George Vergolias: [00:09:17] And the first is, it has to be catered to your organization’s needs and to your organization’s culture. I’m not a fan of a one size fits all. There are different pain points. There are different needs, different industries, different companies, different cultures. And even in the same company, you might have different regions of the world or of the country in the U.S. that have different needs. So, it has to be catered to your needs and culture. It has to be collaborative both internally amongst various departments, as well as with outside vendors that can provide additional resources that you, as the organization, may not be an expert at.

George Vergolias: [00:09:55] Leaders and managers need to be invested, engaged, and accountable at the highest level. I think a good example of this, which also shows some vulnerability, is Sheryl Sandberg from Facebook. Strong advocate of a mental health program, came out with her book a number of years ago, Lean In, and really was very open about her own experiences and her own vulnerabilities.

George Vergolias: [00:10:19] That really sets a tone for employees. You want the employees to be engaged and you want their input to be part of the process of developing a program. You need to have a clear rollout and a communication plan. You need to leverage technology to support the initiative. On this front, remember, technology is a tool, it’s not the goal.

George Vergolias: [00:10:38] I think what has happened in recent years is there have been some technology driven giants that have come on the scene that have wonderful apps and they have wonderful engagement in terms of the technology side. But they don’t necessarily have the best throughput in terms of impacting functional or behavioral change.

George Vergolias: [00:10:57] And two more things I’d recommend. Consider a plan for anticipated barriers. Given your unique needs and culture, what are the things that you might hit roadblocks on and anticipate that ahead of time. And lastly, you want to address a menu of offerings in that service plan. Ideally, it shouldn’t be just psycho-educational trainings, or just peer support, or just access to the EAP, or access to mental health services. One size doesn’t fit all, and you really want a range of those things as you’re applying these programs.

Mike Blake: [00:11:33] So, an argument might be that employees have it pretty good right now. And I’m not saying I’m saying this, but I have heard this argument, and you probably have too. Employees have not had as much power as they have right now – in my lifetime, for sure – to kind of pick and choose where they want to work, how they want to work. Many of them are working home. And for baby boomers and some Gen Xers, that seems kind of cushy, frankly.

Mike Blake: [00:12:06] And so, that leads to the question, you know, is this question of a mental wellness program relevant to organizations that now have large numbers of people working from home? Can a company even put something in place to help them? Because with people working at home now that each have their own individual environments, now their each individual needs that are no longer kind of collectivized by an organization, they’re so diffused and so diverse now. Does that take a mental wellness program off the table? Are there things that companies can do to promote mental wellness, even if you have a largely remote workforce?

George Vergolias: [00:12:48] It’s a great question, Mike. And my answer is, it absolutely does not take it off the table. In an interesting way, it heightens the need. Let me throw out some details for you. In March of 2021, the Microsoft Work Trends report was published. And what they came out with is a number of interesting findings, and I’m just going to throw a few out just to anchor this discussion. Compared to 2020, as they went into 2021, they saw a 100 percent increase in the use of Microsoft Teams. The average meeting was extended by ten minutes.

George Vergolias: [00:13:26] There was an increase of 45 percent more chats being sent at random times of the day. And one of the difficulties we were finding is you always had to be on camera. So, if you were on camera, it’s really interesting that people don’t realize is if you’re in a board meeting or just a conference meeting at your workplace, you can see the speaker or your boss, and you can see if they’re paying attention to you. So, you can divert your gaze. You could take a sip of water. You can scratch your nose. You can do a million things.

George Vergolias: [00:13:56] What’s so odd is when you’re on a Zoom meeting with eight people, you don’t know who’s looking at you at that exact moment. And so, there’s this sense of you always need to be on. You always need to be completely focused. That’s mentally exhausting. And so, there’s these realities of working remote that has really been difficult.

George Vergolias: [00:14:15] What we’ve also seen is – this is really a fascinating study – the increased number of emails delivered in February of 2021 versus February of 2020 based on this same study, it increased in the U.S. 40.6 billion more emails were sent. So, what’s interesting is when you think of chat and you think of email, think of the disruptive nature. At any moment in the day, these things can come in and interfere with your work productivity, with your focus.

George Vergolias: [00:14:45] And it’s like the real exhaustion. Eighty percent of employees say that they’re more productive through 2020 and through 2021, but 60 percent feel they’re overworked, and 40 percent feel exhausted. And leaders tend to be out of touch. A study from about three or four months ago by Deloitte showed that 61 percent of leaders say that they’re thriving, but only 38 percent of employees say that they’re thriving.

George Vergolias: [00:15:09] So, the point with all of this is although that remote environment early on seemed really nice, “I could pick my kids up. I could eat lunch in my own, you know – I could wear my gym bottoms if I’m not showing, you know -” all of these things are wonderful. This sense of merging my home-personal life and my work life and not having clear boundaries with all the things I’ve already mentioned really resulted in a great deal of emotional exhaustion.

George Vergolias: [00:15:37] And so, now, more than ever, the creative but problematic issue is, how do we engage employees in a remote work environment in a way that still meets those needs, that meets those behavioral and cognitive and psychological needs. So, it’s definitely needed and it’s a big challenge.

Mike Blake: [00:15:59] The Zoom thing is interesting, and you’re right, it is exhausting. It is exhausting to be on camera. I think we all now have a greater appreciation for how hard it is for people who are on TV or the movies as a living. And I think, also, you become so aware because you see yourself often. If you haven’t turned off your own sort of picture that creates a self-consciousness that, I think, is also draining.

George Vergolias: [00:16:33] You know what’s interesting, Mike, if I could just interject. What we’ve done at R3 Continuum – which I love this idea. It wasn’t my idea. I think our ops director came up with this because she read an article – is we tacitly or explicitly gave permission for people to go off camera, whether it’s because their kids are screaming in the background, or their dogs barking, or maybe they didn’t clean up, some of our folks were doing these calls from their bedrooms. There’s a number of reasons why you would want to do that. But that really gave permission for people to say as long as you’re still focused within reason as you normally would be in the office, you can go off camera if you need a relief.

Mike Blake: [00:17:10] Yeah. And, also, I wonder, you know, I’ve heard that some people are more focused when they can be also a little distracted. You know what I mean? They’re doodling or something, right? But being on camera where you just sort of have to lock your eyes into the camera and you can’t do that, I think that’s also very stressful for people. And turning off the cameras is a really good idea.

George Vergolias: [00:17:37] Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Mike Blake: [00:17:42] So, speaking of boundaries, here’s a question I want to ask. Are there any limits or are there boundaries in terms of how realistic it is to expect a mental wellness program to perform in terms of addressing potential sources of mental unwellness? Are there certain things that a corporate mental wellness program can or can’t do despite your best of intentions throwing all the resources at it that you want? Or is anything on the table? Could a well-constructed, well-funded mental wellness program achieve almost anything you want?

George Vergolias: [00:18:24] I don’t think it can achieve anything you want. I think what it can do, it can really help prevent a host of developing issues, like anxiety, depression, substance abuse, even suicidal ideation. It can’t fully prevent those. But what it can do is help catch those upstream when they’re developing, and then get people to the proper resources, be they formal clinical treatments, or what we call more organic supportive resources, like peer support, mindfulness programs, psycho-educational training, things of that nature. That could be really helpful.

George Vergolias: [00:19:01] And by doing that, the upside is that can impact morale. It could impact productivity, which has a bottom line impact on businesses. And most importantly, it can impact cultural cohesion and cultural engagement. It impacts talent retention, all of those.

George Vergolias: [00:19:16] There are some limits, though. So, some things I think it cannot really do is, if somebody has a moderate to severe mental health problem, they probably need formal clinical treatment. They need to be referred to proper treatment providers that can address that either through psychotherapy and/or medications. It’s important to know that it can’t do all of that.

George Vergolias: [00:19:40] The other thing I don’t think it can do fully without a separate approach is we see that there’s a host. And we certainly have seen in ’20 and ’21 a host of cultural tensions that emerge at the workplace, be they related to political, ethnic, racial, gender, regional differences. The big two that we’ve been involved in a great deal are the collective response to the murder of George Floyd and the demonstrations, and those demonstrations that then turned into riots. And then, of course, mask mandates and vaccine mandates.

George Vergolias: [00:20:12] These are really tough hot points that all the way wellness program can raise the emotional IQ of your employees. And they can alleviate how that tension manifests. If you want to address those kind of cultural issues, you need to address them head on and in some different ways. A wellness program can complement that process very well. But it is not in in it of itself going to take those cultural issues away or off the table.

Mike Blake: [00:20:40] And I’m glad you brought that up because it leads into a question I wanted to make sure to cover, and I’ll bet you encountered this. What if the company itself is the source of the mental and wellness? The new word in everybody’s lexicon now is toxic. And there are toxic people, there are toxic workplaces. I think that social media has amplified toxicity in a profound and pervasive way. And as a company reflects on or considers putting in a mental wellness program, is it possible they’re going to find that they’ve seen the enemy, and it is us. That they may be actually self-defeating because they’re the cause of the mental unwellness to begin with?

George Vergolias: [00:21:37] One hundred percent, I agree with that. It can be very counterproductive. And I said this earlier, but it’s important to just say it again, it’s really important to know thyself as an organization, to know your culture, know your employees, know your leaders, know your pain points.

George Vergolias: [00:21:58] It’s interesting, Mike, the image that comes to mind is imagine you spend $10,000 to landscape your backyard. The landscaper comes in, does wonderful works for weeks and does great. It looks like a Zen garden when they leave. And then, for the next six months, you don’t do anything. You don’t water, you don’t mulch, you don’t weed. What happens? It falls in complete disarray.

George Vergolias: [00:22:18] We have seen some companies who do a pretty good launch of a wellness program, or they partner with groups like R3 or others, and we do a really good launch working in tandem with them, but they’re not dealing with their cultural toxicity. And that just undermines the foundation on which all of that is based. What’s really interesting when you think of a physical wellness, bring in massage therapists, have a dietician come in, there’s a number of other ways you can do that. In part, you need to be engaged in that process for it to be beneficial. But there’s physical benefits that one can get without necessarily voluntarily being engaged in the process.

George Vergolias: [00:23:00] When you think of mental wellness, the recipient has to have buy in. They have to believe in it and they have to do the work. And if you don’t have a culture of trust, if you have a culture of stigmatization against feeling vulnerable or admitting that you have mental health challenges, the best program in the world just isn’t going to take off. So, it’s a really poignant question that you raise.

Mike Blake: [00:23:24] So, in point of fact, this may be something that might be considered hand in hand with a leadership and cultural evaluation. Because it seems to me this is a real double-edged sword of a mental wellness program is that, if you put that in, you may find things out about your organization that you don’t necessarily love.

Mike Blake: [00:23:48] I can easily see a scenario in which you put in a mental wellness program, let’s say, you have a telemental health consultations. And then, an employee says, “Yeah. I’m not the underperformer. My boss is really toxic. I’m quitting.” I mean, that’s a very real possible outcome, right?

George Vergolias: [00:24:08] That’s absolutely right.

Mike Blake: [00:24:09] And I kind of even wonder if before you put in a mental wellness program, you may want to do some sort of self-evaluation to make sure that, again, you’re not the one causing the mental unwellness in the first place.

George Vergolias: [00:24:26] I think that’s very important. And that’s why that engagement, all the way from top to bottom, of getting input, certainly, from leadership – that’s important – middle management, all the way down to your frontline employees is critical, so you can understand what those insights are. And it’s critical to do it in a way, I recommend doing that in an anonymous way so that people can feel more comfortable being open and there won’t be backlash on their job. Because what you really want is you don’t necessarily want people to fall in line in that step of the process. You want really honest and candid, almost gut punch data so you can take a really good appraisal of where are we as a company, and what are the pain points that we need to solve along those lines? I totally agree with that.

Mike Blake: [00:25:13] So, you’ve done this for a long time and, of course, you’re right in the middle of it with coronavirus, are you able in any way to measure kind of the ROI of putting programs like this? And what have you seen in terms of improved company performance, bottom line-wise, for companies that have successfully implemented mental wellness programs?

George Vergolias: [00:25:37] Yes. Again, great question. And it’s something that if you go back five years and certainly ten years ago, there was some studies that showed ROI, but I don’t think they were nearly as well developed. What we’re seeing just in the last two years is what I’d refer to as an explosion of studies looking at what is the ROI, not only in terms of human impact, but also in terms of bottom line.

George Vergolias: [00:26:06] And the ultimate conclusion – I’ll give you a quick data point from a Canadian study that was done recently – you have to make a business case for the benefit as well at some point to get that buy in. So, what’s interesting is Deloitte did a study – now, this was November of 2019. So, what’s interesting here is that was actually at the frontend or just before the pandemic – and they were looking at a wellness program across ten different large companies in Canada.

George Vergolias: [00:26:39] And what they found going in, they estimated that ten percent of those employees across that sample size had depression. And the annual cost of depression – and this is in the U.S. – is $31 to 51 billion in terms of lost productivity, absenteeism, presenteeism, and so on.

George Vergolias: [00:26:56] And what we know is the World Economic Forum estimates that the cost globally is going to be six trillion and that’s for mental health problems globally, the business loss or the cost of decreased productivity. What’s interesting is when they did this study and they looked at productivity, they looked at engagement of employees, they looked at talent acquisition and overall throughput of work, they found that after three years, there was a 60 percent ROI on dollar spent. And after four plus years, four or five six years, that ROI went up 118 percent. And that’s based on the productivity, and the output, and the creative inventive-ism, if you will, or ingenuity that people were bringing to the table.

George Vergolias: [00:27:40] Because the hard reality is, if you have a burned out, exhausted, anxious, depressed core group in your workforce, they’re not being innovative, they’re not being collaborative. They are getting by day-by-day and they’re not pushing the envelope from a business perspective. That’s not the talent you want. Well, you want that talent, but you want that talent to be more at a place of wellness and thriving is what I meant by that.

Mike Blake: [00:28:07] So, one question that comes to mind and probably may come to mind with some of our listeners is that, we’re reading all over the place that this is a great time to be a therapist or a psychologist or psychiatrist. You know, most doctors, they’re not even taking new patients right now. You can’t get a consult. How do companies kind of address that or not let that stand in the way of providing resources to their employees?

George Vergolias: [00:28:44] So, first, that’s an absolute harsh reality right now. And what’s interesting as a side note, in my work with my Telepsych company, we’ve been doing telehealth for almost 19 years. And up until the pandemic, we struggled with a lot of hospitals getting them to really adopt a telemental health approach. As you said earlier, Mike, as soon as COVID hit, it was like overnight that acceleration adoption just accelerated.

George Vergolias: [00:29:20] So, an upside is that there are a lot more options of access to therapists, psychiatrists, social workers, psychologists, and so on via telemental health. And those definitely should be explored. If you are a company, or an HR director, or a company leader, and you are not open to telemental health options, you are really missing out on a wonderful opportunity to expand the reach of resources to your employees. And very soon you’re really falling behind. So, that’s one point.

George Vergolias: [00:29:51] The difficulty, though, is I would say that corporations, companies, particularly HR directors, I think they really need to demand and expect their EAPs to continue to build those networks in a way that can meet their client’s needs. They’re paying for services, and it’s important that those networks be developed, be they incite or onsite evaluations and treatment or telemental health services.

George Vergolias: [00:30:22] So, that’s one thing I would recommend that if you have an EAP in place, really have dialogue with them about what are the options that you’re offering and how are you shoring up those service gaps. I think that’s really important.

Mike Blake: [00:30:36] Now, aside from direct consultations with therapists, what are some other examples of features of wellness programs that companies can put in place, or offerings, if you will?

George Vergolias: [00:30:54] Yeah. Certainly. Certainly. So, what we tend to see in those that are most successful is we tend to see an array of offerings. So, these can include psycho-educational resources. Many of those are online trainings, various videos, how to manage conflict at home, how to handle marital conflict, how to handle conflict with your teenage child, managing anxiety, navigating through a panic attack. Again, I could go on. There could be hundreds of topics.

George Vergolias: [00:31:25] We actually have a software program that we’ve developed that has well over 100 different modules on mental health and mental wellness that people can choose. And get a quick three to five minute kind of video on either educating them on the nature of the condition of the symptoms or helping them navigate and understand how to navigate those symptoms. There’s a lot of programs out there that do that.

George Vergolias: [00:31:50] Another would be, these programs really should also have a factor of peer support and empowering a culture of support and, what I call, empowering a culture of vulnerability, where it destigmatizes mental health, it allows people to feel like they have support, and it allows people to feel safe to reach out and say I need some help. It’s important to have a clear communication plan and roll out the program. We see good programs where half the employees don’t even understand the program exists or understand how the program can benefit them.

George Vergolias: [00:32:24] Beyond that, emotional and physical health education, adoption, and integration into the culture, self-help or mindfulness initiatives, peer support, disruptive event management is something R3 does a great deal of across the U.S. and globally. Helping people adjust to traumatic or disruptive events that occur at the workplace. Early intervention support, whether it’s destigmatizing campaigns, mental health first aid, all of these other things that we provide.

George Vergolias: [00:32:53] And then, at some point, helping people identify when do you need more formal clinical treatment, mental health treatment, and then linking people to resources so they can access that.

George Vergolias: [00:33:04] One last thing I’ll add that I don’t think is explored enough is developing access to what I call organic community resources. I mean, it used to be, and for some of us it still is. It used to be where you can go to your church, you can go to your local clubs, you can go to your local neighborhood groups, ethnic groups, whatever it may be, and you can still get a lot of support. Now, we have a culture by which many of us move around state by state. We are more disjointed than we were pre-COVID. And it’s harder to access some of those more natural supports or organic supports. So, I think that’s another thing that programs should consider as well.

Mike Blake: [00:33:49] Now, what about things that are really sort of – I want to get a little bit granular with you if that’s okay – like encouraging meditation or meditation training, breathing exercises. A big one might be, for example, trying to organize some kind of group events, whether in-person or remotely. Because, you know, one of the downsides for many people for remote working is loneliness and isolation.

George Vergolias: [00:34:22] Now, not for me, I’m an extreme introvert. So, you know, my wife is not concerned about me cheating on her. Her biggest concern is that I’m going to be picked for the Mars mission because I’m like, “You’re going to put me in a tin can by myself for three years? I’m in.” But, unfortunately, they don’t want fat old people on the mission, so there’s no danger of that. But the point is that sort of these other programs that just try to be a little bit kind of interventional. I guess my question is, are they used with any effectiveness in the workplace alongside the other things that you’re describing?

George Vergolias: [00:34:58] I think they are. I think what’s really interesting is mindfulness and meditation programs, including just apps. There’s a proliferation of apps that talk about this as well. The value that they have shown over time, over the last five plus years, has really been astounding in terms of people just being more mindful, more aware of what they’re feeling, more aware of developing conflicts or symptoms over time.

George Vergolias: [00:35:30] And I think that has been a huge development forward. Now, this is hard to measure, but I believe anecdotally and based on 20-some years of experience, it has been a huge benefit in helping people stem off more severe development of, not only interpersonal conflict, but other symptoms, developing more severe symptoms of depression or anxiety.

George Vergolias: [00:35:56] I also feel it has a counter. These things not only prevent things from getting bad. They help us do better. They help us perform better. They help us have more meaningful relationships. They help us have more happiness and moments of gratitude in our life. So, I think that those are very powerful aspects to a program without doubt.

Mike Blake: [00:36:21] So, how expensive are these programs? I understand that it depends on how kind of deep you want to go. I’m sure there are Cadillac programs and there are cheaper programs. But let’s say relative to a conventional healthcare physical health program, are mental wellness programs or should companies expect to spend roughly as much, or more than, or less than whatever they’re spending on their physical health programs?

George Vergolias: [00:36:56] That’s a tough one to answer. I’ve got some insights that I’ll offer. Please take these with a certain degree of flexibility. I have to say that, of course, it’ll vary by scope and size. We work with companies that want to roll out a mindfulness meditation program that can be really focused and relatively inexpensive, depending on the nature of what they want to do. We’ve had companies that want to roll out an app that’s already well developed on the App Store or on the Android Store, and they just want some communication around benefits of using it. That can be really kind of low budget, relatively speaking, and still can have some value.

George Vergolias: [00:37:40] And then, there’s companies that want to offer a full menu of all the things I already talked about in terms of the full comprehensive menu. So, that will depend a great deal. The key, I think, is identifying the needs and the pain points of your organization and then prioritizing what is it that you want to impact first. And realize that even the biggest, best programs out there with the most resource laden companies that make billions of dollars a year, none of them do all of this that we’re talking about today, Mike. None of them do all of it.

George Vergolias: [00:38:12] You know the the old saying, “How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.” So, start with where do you think your biggest pain points are? What do you think you’re going to get the best buy in from employees all the way up to leadership? And start with that. It might be a psycho-educational training library. It might be a mindfulness program. It might be just offering peer support groups so people can talk about what they’re struggling with pertinent to remote work or work from home.

George Vergolias: [00:38:44] Interestingly, at R3, we offered a parenting support interface, kind of a peer support for parents, including some resources. And what we did is we actually sent those parents a three month subscription to Tinker Crate. And I don’t know if you know what Tinker Crate is, but it’s like a little kit developmentally appropriate for different ages. They could put together different types of little engines or little mechanized things, and it’s kind of a nice, scientific-based project that they can do.

George Vergolias: [00:39:16] Well, what we had is we had a whole bunch of our single workers say, “What about us? We’re still struggling. And in a way, we’re struggling more because I’m home alone in an apartment. I don’t have a wife, a husband, or two kids.” And so, it made us really think, “Darn. We really missed that.” And so, we pivoted and we offered other support resources.

George Vergolias: [00:39:37] But that’s what I would say, it’s really hard to come up with a price tag because the scope could vary greatly. What I will say, I would not expect it to cost as much as the physical wellness.

Mike Blake: [00:39:50] So, I have a view – and you tell me if I’m full of it or not – but I think one thing that mental and physical wellness programs have in common is that, in the right circumstance, you can get a lot of bang for the buck with a very minimal investment. Those Tinker Crates, I think, is a great example. It might cost you $20 per month per employee, maybe. But that can make a huge difference. If that keeps an employee happier, more stable, more actualized for a couple of weeks after that, boy, what a great investment.

George Vergolias: [00:40:32] I can’t agree more. You know what’s it’s interesting, Mike? I think of those times in my life where I’m having a really rough day and I’m checking out at the grocery store. And the person at the register clerk or the cash register says, “Boy, I really like your haircut,” or, “I love that shirt”. I’m not feeling like the Dalai Lama. Like, I’m not absolutely at the zenith of my happiness as a result. But it just lifts me enough to feel like, “Well, that was kind of nice.” And that then sets in motion a trajectory of incremental steps throughout the rest of the day or the night where I keep improving on that.

George Vergolias: [00:41:15] I call those emotional strokes. Small emotional scopes that give you that uplift, that just give you that feeling of I’m not alone, these other people or these leaders get it, they understand what I’m dealing with. And this was just a nice little small blessing for me today. Those make a big difference. They really do.

Mike Blake: [00:41:37] I’m talking with Dr. George Vergolias. And the topic is, Should I start a mental wellness program at my company? We’re running out of time, unfortunately, so I only have time for a couple more questions. But what I do want to make sure we get out there is, what are best practices for companies to measure whether their wellness programs are working or doing the job they’re being asked to do?

George Vergolias: [00:42:04] So, certainly, what I would say is, you have to start by being very clear on what are you trying to achieve. Absolutely. You need to know that. What are you trying to achieve? What are the goals? And then, operationalizing those in a way that you can measure them. And what I tend to do is I tend to put it into two buckets.

George Vergolias: [00:42:22] One is satisfaction, because you want your employees and your leaders to have engagement in the program. And often, in its highest form, it’s a satisfaction type question or a series of questions. How’s the program working? Do you feel you’re getting better? Do you feel it meets your needs and so on?

George Vergolias: [00:42:41] By the way, a lot of companies stop there. And some people may not agree with me, but I’m a big fan that satisfaction doesn’t always indicate outcome or functional benefit. I could be very happy with a therapist and I’m still not getting better. And one of the reasons I’m happy with a therapist is they’re not challenging me to get better. Think of a physical therapist or think of a personal trainer that doesn’t piss you off occasionally or get you angry, that’s not a very good physical therapist and that’s not a very good personal trainer.

George Vergolias: [00:43:12] So, what you also need to measure is what are the behavioral functional changes that are occurring over time? And from a business perspective, what is the productivity or the impact on the business that is promoting the business forward? It could be increased team collaboration. It could be a measure of increased innovative ideas. It could be increased operational efficiency.

George Vergolias: [00:43:37] There’s a number of ways companies can define that. But that’s what I would say that you need to answer both of those buckets, satisfaction and then – what I call – functional outcome. And that has two types, the behavioral and kind of functional aspect of the individual and then the business functional improvement that you’re seeing as a result. That’s how I would structure that.

Mike Blake: [00:43:59] Yeah. And it occurs to me, I’ll bet you there are KPIs that can be structured around this. You know, for example, it could be productivity, it could be turnover, it could be tenure, in some cases, even your pay scale. You have to pay people more to work for you just because you’re not all that pleasant to work with.

George Vergolias: [00:44:20] Absolutely.

Mike Blake: [00:44:23] George, this has been a great conversation. I’ve got about ten more questions I love to ask, but we’re running out of time.

George Vergolias: [00:44:28] I understand.

Mike Blake: [00:44:29] I’m sure that there are questions that our listeners would have liked me to cover that we didn’t or would have liked us to cover in more depth. If they’d like to follow up with you on some of these issues, can they do so? And if so, what’s the best way to do that?

George Vergolias: [00:44:42] Absolutely. So, you can do so by emailing me at George, G-E-O-R-G-E, .vergolias, V as in Victor-E-R-G-O-L-I-A-S, @r3c.com. Or my office line, feel free to give me a call, area code 952-641-0645, and I’d be happy to engage.

Mike Blake: [00:45:11] That’s going to wrap it up for today’s program. I’d like to thank Dr. George Vergolias so much for sharing his expertise with us.

Mike Blake: [00:45:18] We’ll be exploring a new topic each week, so please tune in so that when you’re faced with your next business decision, you have clear vision when making it. If you enjoy these podcasts, please consider leaving a review with your favorite podcast aggregator. It helps people find us that we can help them.

George Vergolias: [00:45:35] If you would like to engage with me on social media with my Chart of the Day and other content, I’m on LinkedIn as myself and @unblakeable on Facebook, Twitter, Clubhouse, and Instagram. Also, check out my new LinkedIn group called Unblakeable’s Group That Doesn’t Suck. Once again, this is Mike Blake. Our sponsor is Brady Ware & Company. And this has been the Decision Vision podcast.

 

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The R3 Continuum Playbook: Employee Wellbeing in 2021 and What to Expect in 2022

January 6, 2022 by John Ray

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The R3 Continuum Playbook: Employee Wellbeing in 2021 and What to Expect in 2022

In this excerpt from a webinar conducted in December 2021, Dr. George Vergolias, Medical Director at R3 Continuum, covered issues and pain points of employee wellbeing in 2021 and looked ahead at workplace trends to expect in 2022. He discussed the disruptive factor of hybrid work and how it will evolve, the challenges of staffing and labor, the growing disconnect between leadership and employees, the toll of virtual work and how it may impact creativity, and much more. The R3 Continuum Playbook is presented by R3 Continuum and is produced by the Minneapolis-St.Paul Studio of Business RadioX®. R3 Continuum is the underwriter of Workplace MVP, the show which celebrates heroes in the workplace.

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TRANSCRIPT

Intro: [00:00:00] Broadcasting from the Business RadioX studios, here is your R3 Continuum Playbook. Brought to you by Workplace MVP sponsor, R3 Continuum, a global leader in workplace behavioral health, crisis and security solutions.

Shane McNally: [00:00:14] Hi, there. My name is Shane McNally, Marketing Specialist for R3 Continuum. As 2022 begins, it’s important to look ahead and recognize the trends that may be seen throughout the year regarding employee wellbeing. This information is provided by Dr. George Vergolias, Medical Director at R3 Continuum. Reflecting on 2021, there has been a shift between different priorities, work environments, mental health and overall wellbeing importance and more. Dr. George Vergolias is going to dive in and offer eight things that he foresees will be trending in 2022. This information is gathered from various reports and trends we’ve seen in years past.

Shane McNally: [00:00:50] Dr. George Vergolias oversees and leads R3C’s clinical risk, threat of violence and workplace violence programs. He’s directly assessed or manage over 1000 cases related to threat of violence or self harm, sexual assault, stalking and communicated threats. He brings over 20 years of experience as a forensic psychologist and certified threat manager to bear in an effort to help leaders, organizations, employees and communities heal, optimize and ultimately thrive during and after disruption. Thank you for being with us, Dr. Vergolias. So, let’s start off today’s webinar by asking a question, what drives human thriving?

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:01:29] Okay. Thank you, Shane, for that warm introduction. And what’s interesting is, so you heard a little bit about my bio, forensic psychologist, I’ve done a ton of threat work, a ton of hostility management work and so on. But a big part of that is also understanding resilience and understanding the flip side of wellbeing because wellbeing, when you are functioning well emotionally, intellectually, when you’re living your best life, you’re really functioning in a way and at a level that is diametrically opposed to being violent.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:02:03] So, I’ve had to be forced to become an expert in understanding resilience and wellbeing, and what is it that allows people to pull through hard times; whereas, other people decide to go on a violent trajectory? So, my larger role is Medical Director for R3. I oversee all of our services. And a big part of that is understanding the wellbeing and resilience aspect.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:02:25] And so, back to Shane’s question, what drives human thriving? And what I want to do is I want to talk about one of my favorite stories of all time. And it’s a true story about Margaret Mead. Margaret Mead, arguably one of the best most famous anthropologists, at least in the United States. She was giving a lecture in Oxford 70 some years ago, and a student in the lecture hall had raised – I’m assuming it’s a he but these are her hand. I believe it was a young man, and he asked Margaret Mead, when does she think civilization began? What were the first signs of civilization?

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:03:01] And the students and the other faculty that were there, they expected an answer around something like the first time we carbon dated finding pottery, or weapons, or an arrowhead or some kind of structure that was built, or a vase or some kind of structure that carried water, whatever it would be. Cooking tools, eating tools, whatever it may be. And that’s not what she said at all. She said, “We know civilization began around the time that we were able to backdate, carbon back date, a broken femur bone, a human leg bone that had healed.” And a lot of people in the auditorium looked puzzled.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:03:41] And she went on to explain that in the animal kingdom, when you break your leg, you’re done. It’s game over. There’s no other animal that sits and stays with you. And if you have a broken leg, it doesn’t naturally heal on itself by the time that you either starve or you die of dehydration or some other predator takes you. But once they found that femur bone that had healed, they knew that somebody, some other creature, arguably another human, had stayed there and protected that person, and brought them sustenance, and kind of nursed them through the healing process till they at least can get up and get moving.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:04:17] So, the point is that we are best, we are most human and we are at our best when we are assisting and helping one another. And that’s what we’re going to talk about in terms of trends through 2021 and into 2022. But I want that story to anchor us.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:04:33] So, let’s first look backwards. It’s always a good time to kind of take stock and look back at the past year. What impacted employee wellbeing the most in 2021? And what we saw at the end of 2020, going into 2021, is we saw some trends that did indeed pan out. And one of them was from the Fortune Deloitte 2021 CEO Survey. This was done at the back end of 2020, looking forward into 2021. And what they found is 98% of CEOs reported that mental health was a priority for them going into this current year, 2021.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:05:10] They also find that the pandemic had significantly accelerated various types of digital transformation, most notably what we’re doing now. Quite often, even though we did webinars through telepresence before, that has markedly accelerated through the pandemic and over this past year as well. And then, the pandemic was fostering information around or formation of new partnerships, new alliances and new creative ways of doing business and working together over remote distances.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:05:43] And what we saw in this past year is many companies, not all, but many companies made good on those promises, and many CEOs made good on those promises, and we saw an acceleration of that going through the year. And that’s been largely a good thing. There have been a few things that have created some pain points, and I’m going to get at that in just a second.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:06:06] We saw a few other things. One is that COVID 19, COVID, the epidemic or pandemic, rather, it created tensions, and it tested the limits of the worker-employer relationship. And early on, we saw certain pain points around concerns of safety. Later on, we saw pain points around mask mandates. And then, we saw and are still seeing pain points around vaccination requirements, and we’re seeing different businesses handle that differently. But what that is doing is it really is testing those boundaries of where does an employer’s reach and where does their due diligence then begin in terms of creating safe environments for their workforce?

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:06:54] And from a legal perspective – and again, full disclaimer, I’m not a lawyer, I work a lot in conjunction with the legal world as a forensic psychologist – what we’re seeing is there really isn’t still any court or legal precedent around handling COVID risk as an employer, as well as COVID restrictions. So, all of this is still at play, and I think we’re all still trying to figure out what is that balance. And what makes it even more confusing is that balance is going to be different for different industries and different employers. And in some cases, across the same employer, it might be different at different locations. So, that’s one thing.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:07:34] The second thing we saw is the adoption of what I’m calling telepresence everything. So, another kind of disclaimer here, for 19 years, I’ve had a private practice that is focused on doing telemedicine for emergency departments in North Carolina. Just the practice I’ve had on the side, it keeps me vibrant, keeps me accessible and it keeps me sharp clinically. I’ve spent the last 10 years trying to get hospitals, and clinicians and outpatient clinics to adopt telepresence and telehealth. COVID changed all that almost overnight in terms of the forced and accelerated adoption of going to telehealth, and both providers and recipients – patients – being those on the receiving side, being open to it and being flexible with it, including boards, changing licensure requirements, payers and insurance, changing their payment requirements to allow this.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:08:30] And we are not going back. I’m not saying we won’t begin to go back to more clinic-based therapy in some ways, but there is a large swath of the population that has found that telepresence or telehealth has been functional, it has been helpful, it has been effective, and useful and has broken down regional barriers to proper care.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:08:52] So, we’re seeing that, but we’re also seeing, again, what we’re doing right now, and I imagine if we were in a room and I did a show of hands of how many of us have been on a Microsoft Teams or Zoom call this week for business, almost everybody would raise their hand in terms of being involved in that in the last week or two. So, we’ve seen a huge adoption of that. And I’m going to talk about the pros and cons of that as well.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:09:15] The other thing that we’ve seen is that wellbeing, although, as I said in the last slide, has been a huge initiative, there are some barriers and pain points in terms of the impact of that. What we’re seeing now based on the Harvard Business Review study that was done just a couple of months back, 89, almost 90% percent of employees are saying that their work/life balance is getting worse – I’ll talk a little bit about that in a minute – 85% are reporting well-being has worsened in general; 56% indicated that their job demands have increased since the onset of the pandemic, and particularly over the past year; and 19% of women – so, we’re seeing some specific population issues – are reporting that they felt their job was at risk. And a lot of this was particularly around many of them being in a position where they can’t stop also being kind of a primary caretaker at home. Whether they’re a single mother or even if they’re in a married relationship, some of those older traditional gender roles, none of that has stopped, while they also have an accelerated adoption of being on conference calls and continuing to have increased productivity.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:10:24] What’s really interesting is another pain point I’m going to get into. I’m just laying out the metrics. 40% – and this is at a global level – of the workforce is considering a change going in to the back end of 2021 and into 2022. A change in jobs, basically. So, talent acquisition is an issue, and I’ll be talking more about that in a second. So, as a segue, so that’s kind of the landscape that we’re now just emerging out of. 2019 or 2020 had its challenges with the onset of the COVID pandemic. 2021 was okay, we’re getting our legs under us, but still trying to figure out a lot of these issues with all their attendant pain points. Now ,the question is, what does 2022 have in store? So, these are predictions, these are speculations, but they’re based on trends and they’re based on what we kind of know in terms of not only our own experience consulting with those in the C-suite and upper management, but looking at the trends across a number of reports and where the workforce is going around issues of wellbeing and thriving.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:11:32] So, let’s start with what our leaders concerned about, because I think that’s a good barometer, at least, of understanding that at the top. In the beginning of this past year, many CEOs, many leaders, especially in the Deloitte survey, which is a kind of an industry standard, were talking about this as the year of hope. As we started entering into mid-2021 with the Delta variant beginning — well, not beginning but when it was beginning in the mid part of the year to kind of start raging and a few other supply chains still not back online, there were other pain points going on, they moved to have more bold plans about growth, innovation and digital transformation all based out of necessity. All of that was needed.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:12:16] Another big key component, there was there was a lot of initiatives around, how do we transform our talent networks? How do we recruit, and develop and train people differently? Good news is over 75% of CEOs still remain bullish on 2022. They still are looking at positive growth, they’re looking at innovation, and they’re really thinking the business community is going to continue to thrive and adapt to the changes ahead. That all is good. That’s a positive message. But we also are seeing is what we saw a year ago, mental health and wellbeing remain prominent as focused areas for leaders and CEOs in particular. So, there’s a lot of focus on that, and there’s a lot of resources and initiative being put in that direction. Again, different companies will differ on this dimension, but as a whole, there’s a big momentum in place that continues to ride us into 2022.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:13:08] Well, we’re also seeing is D&I issues. Diversity, inclusion, these are rapidly accelerating in focus. In January of 2021, so just a little under a year ago, 94% of CEOs said D&I issues and initiatives was a strategic priority. By June, by midyear, 50% were actually making good on those promises. They were prioritizing those initiatives for inclusion and talent adoption strategy or talent attraction; they were setting clear goals to measure the impact of their D&I initiatives and priorities; and they were communicating those metrics back to their employees in a way that there could be a feedback loop about what is working and what isn’t working. So, again, another positive change that we’re starting to see develop through 2021, and we’re expecting that to continue in 2022.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:14:08] And by the way, these initiatives are not just for marginalized groups. There’s a large — I don’t want to say majority, but there’s a large swath of people that are not in disenfranchised groups but strongly identifying in an ally shift way with those groups who are supporting those initiatives. And in the end, those are tending. The research is showing those are tending to make more cohesive and innovative work groups across a number of different sectors.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:14:42] So, now, what I want to do is take those high level metrics. Again, we talked about 2021, talked about 2022, and I want to go in just seven specific trends that I think we can expect going into this new year. Again, these are born out of various data points, various reports, we make reference to these in the slide if you want to go do a deeper dive. And they are a little bit — I mean, these are predictive trends. These are things that we’re looking towards based on where we’ve just come out of, but they wouldn’t be in this presentation if I didn’t feel quite confident that we’re going to see some of these or each of these in some capacity as we navigate forward.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:15:25] So, the first is that the biggest disruption that we can expect this next year is hybrid work and trying to figure out, what does that mean? What does that mean for us? What we’re seeing – now, this is based off the Microsoft Work Trends report from March, and they did a little bit of a follow-up just recently; I believe it was in November. But what they were saying is 66% of leaders of their company, they’re considering redesigning their office space for hybrid work. Almost three-quarters of employees want flexible remote work options, and over over two-thirds of employees want more in-person work or collaboration post-pandemic. So, what’s interesting — I’m sorry, employers. I mean employees want more in-person work.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:16:14] So, what do we see here? What we’re seeing is kind of a split in both directions, right? Leaders are definitely responding and trying to create workspaces that can adapt to more remote and hybrid work environments; three-quarters of workers want flexibility to work from home and from the office; and yet, two-thirds are also saying we still want that in-person engagement for collaboration post-pandemic. And again, different companies are going to adopt this at different levels based on their financial tolerance, their risk tolerance and other issues, but this is going to be a disruptive factor as we move forward, and companies are going to have to figure out a plan to navigate that in a way that works for their culture, their industry, and at some level, their bottom line as well. That all has to be factored in.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:17:05] Second big issue is talent acquisition. This is going to rapidly change. We’ve already seen it, but we’re seeing more. Questions of attracting talent, retaining talent and then developing internal talent will continue to be massively disrupted as we go forward. There’s a quote on your screen there, I’m not going to read the whole thing, but I’m going to highlight a few points, and this comes from the Deloitte — I’m sorry, the Deloitte Insights report from July. What we saw in 2020 is 80% of job losses were among the lowest quarter of wage earners, and many of them were working in the service sector. A new study shows that 100 million global low-wage workers will need to find a different occupation by 2030. That is a massive shift in the job market.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:17:50] In addition to that, we are continuing to see acceleration of robotic impact in the workforce, which disproportionately affects lower wage or labor-based type occupations or jobs. And we’re seeing that the demand for skilled workers at the same time that this is happening, skilled workers is also growing, with 7 in 10 employers globally saying they’re struggling to find workers. For any of us that are interested in selling a home, buying a home, building a home, or even just trying to get some remodeling done, we know the labor shortage in the skilled labor and construction and remodeling world. So, we’re already seeing that. So, there’s going to be massive impact.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:18:34] What’s also interesting with this is at the same time that all of these data points are happening out of necessity, you might say, and I’m not saying — what I mean by necessity is the job market is moving, so people or the labor force is moving and evolving, we also have a disproportionate number of white-collar workers. So, people with higher degrees working more white collar jobs, who are just fed up with their current arrangement of working in corporate America. They want to live remotely, they want flexible hours, they want to be their own boss. So, we’re seeing a higher proliferation of people leaving traditional jobs where they have good positions. They’ve been at a firm, a law firm or one of the big four accounting firms for a number of years and moved up, and they’ve just decided — to put it in my terms, they’re kind of done with the rat race, and they just want to get out.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:19:29] We’re also seeing younger workers from Gen Z and millennials who are developing a whole new — well, not new because these have been around for a while, but they’re developing a deeper sense of what they want out of a job. It’s no longer advancement and a good paying salary. I want to feel rewarded, I want to feel supported, I want to feel like I’m making a difference, I want to be part of a company that’s making a difference in the world. All of these are different things that are occurring that’s forcing us as business leaders and talent acquisition leaders to rethink, how do we attract, retain and develop people in our companies and in our organizations? So, it’s going to be a challenge as we navigate forward.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:20:17] So, sadly, I talked earlier about a lot of the CEOs talking about it’s the year of hope this past year and remaining bullish on 2020, and wellbeing, and D&Y, initiatives all being part of the priority. And that’s all wonderful news. There’s still a disconnect. Leaders are still generally out of touch. This is also coming from the Microsoft Trends report. It, also, is backed up by some of the findings from the Deloitte Insights report as well. But from the Microsoft report, 61% of leaders are reporting themselves as thriving and accelerating their thriving through 2021 versus only 38% of their employees are reporting that. That is a disconnect.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:21:01] Now, some of the best organizations are kind of evolving and thriving together from top to bottom, but the norm is that leaders increasingly think that they’re doing well, and thriving and growing; employees are not. And so, there is a disconnect. Unfortunately, I don’t know exactly what that disconnect is. There’s a number of factors that I think are related. The next bullet point captures one of them. We’re exhausted. When I say we, I mean the workforce in general. And it’s masked by high productivity.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:21:33] So, here’s an interesting finding we’re seeing not only at the beginning of 2021, but growing through the year, and we’re actually expecting this to continue to grow into 2022, and there’s a blessing and a curse here. 85% of employees report the same or higher productivity from the prior year. So, 2021 was just as productive or more productive than 2020, except 53% more feel overworked, and 39% more feel exhausted from the prior year. So, yes, we’re doing more, but we’re paying a high, high toll on employees’ wellbeing.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:22:13] And when you marry that or abridge that into the talent dilemma, that is a real concern. It’s a real recipe for disaster because if we have a core constituency, you might say, of the workforce that either they’re forced to move on because they’re semi-skilled role is being outsourced or not available or higher skilled workers or more educated workers are just deciding, “I’ve had it with the rat race,” and they’re feeling “I’m more productive than eve, and yet I’m more exhausted, and I’m not doing well, and I’m overworked,” that creates an environment that more people want to leave and more people want to start jumping to other opportunities around them. So, it’s going to be a really interesting year to see how we, as a business community and in roles of leadership and management, and HR, navigate that going forward.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:23:07] Another consideration is that the digital intensity of our engagement and life balance, there’s been a creep. There’s been an increased impact of that over time. So, a few bullet points there. Microsoft Teams, just the occurrence of the number of teams that the average person sits in – meaning conference call teams or meetings – is up two times than it was a year ago. The average meeting is up 10 minutes longer than it was a year ago. The average user is sending 45% more chats through Microsoft Teams.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:23:41] And the problem that — well, actually, I’m going to jump ahead real quick because there’s one more visual I want to share with you, and then I’ll get to not my final slide, but a conclusion point there. What we’re also seeing – and again, all of this is from the Microsoft Work Trend report, which is really interesting because they could call all of this anonymized data from MS teams, particularly if your organization opts in for that data sharing.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:24:07] So, meetings, weekly meeting time has more than doubled for team users and is still rising all through 2020, but also continuing to go into 2021. This trend hasn’t gone away. Again, this study was from March of 2021, but this trend continues. There’s been an increase in the number of emails delivered in February of 2021 versus February of 2020, and there’s indications that this has continued to increase. I already mentioned that 45% more chat is occurring. And this is interesting, the number of people working on office documents is up 66% over the same year.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:24:46] Now, on the one hand, if we’re all going remote, we would expect some of this to increase. And that all makes some sense because we’re not — I’m going to hop back here. Because we’re not together, we don’t have the ability to go have lunch together downstairs at the little café, or talk in the break room, or even just meet at the watercooler. Those opportunities are not there, so we have to chat more, we have to email more. And all of that makes a little bit of sense organically. Here’s the trouble is what we’re finding is we’re getting huge digital fatigue. It is just draining to feel like we are constantly on.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:25:25] What’s interesting is there was a study done, and I wish I would have added it to the slide, but I’ll just comment on it real quickly. I believe I saw it in Inc Magazine, but prior to that, I believe it was in Forbes. And what they looked at is, what is the kind of the lit reality of being in meetings in lived time, in-face, or in-person, and being on a screen? Well, the oddity is right now, of this multiple hundred, three or four hundred people watching this right now, I don’t know how many are looking at me right now. So, if I want to stop and take a glass drink of water, and I’m going to do that because I’m thirsty, it’s kind of a bit of an awkward moment, right? It’s a pause, it’s silent. Even if I’m not talking – of course, I’m presenting, so I have to be talking now – I’m not sure who’s looking at me.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:26:17] But when you’re in a room with people, and you can see that 12 other people or 15 other people are looking at the speaker, you could kind of turn off for a second. And I don’t mean you turn your attention away, but you can relax, you can scratch your nose, you can fix your hairline, you can adjust in your seat, you could quickly check a text if you are afraid your kids are texting you that they got off the bus, whatever the issue is. When we have this platform, there is this kind of subtle paranoia that forms of feeling like we always have to be on, and engaged, and focused. And it’s tremendously draining to have that. And we don’t have that in our normal face-to-face meetings because we get numerous micro breaks when we notice everyone else is focusing on the screen, or this talker, or that talker.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:27:08] So, again, that — and then, you’re in my home. So, I have to constantly worry about, are people judging my background? Is my office clean? The kids are off right now, they’re going to come in, and I’ve had to warn them not to bother me because I’m giving a presentation right now. This has an emotional and psychological drain, and it’s kind of a cognitive load over time. So, it’s something else we’re going to have to be mindful of as we go forward.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:27:35] What I’ve heard about and what we’ve implemented at R3 to some good effect is leaders, we’ve encouraged leaders to empower and encourage people to fade their background if they want. We literally have some workers that for any number of reasons, take calls from their bedroom. They don’t want you in their bedroom. Even if you went over to their house for a barbecue, they wouldn’t invite you into their bedroom. And yet you’re in their bedroom during an account meeting or a sales meeting or whatever. So, we encourage them, use the muted background, so no one can see where you are in your home or use one of the other template backgrounds.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:28:11] We also encourage people, if you need to go off camera for a little bit, go off camera. There’s no judgment there. Everyone may need to do that. If you need to mute, go ahead and do that. Because where we are in our lives, our work life and our personal life, are now a little more blended. And we have to be more mindful about where those boundaries land and empowering people to use those boundaries and set those up, so they can still promote a sense of wellbeing, and no one to emotionally and psychologically turn off. So, we want to keep that in mind as we navigate forward.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:28:49] Okay. You know what, I lied to you guys, and I didn’t mean to. There’s actually eight trends. So, let me get through those. And then, it might be a good time to pause and see if we have a few other additional questions.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:29:02] So, trend number six, collaboration and productivity, they might be harmed by shrinking social networks. The jury is a little bit out here, and we’re still trying to figure this out. So, on the one hand, we are more — I’ve already made the case, the data doesn’t lie, we are much more interactive than we’ve ever been. And that has been very, very useful in terms of — well, it’s been out of necessity, but we are communicating. We’re communicating more. We’re using more tools, chat, email, again, telepresence or teleconferencing. And in one way, that has kept us connected, which has been useful because if we didn’t have any of that in 2020 and 2021, that would have been big trouble for business productivity and innovation.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:29:50] Here’s the problem. Because of that, we are continuing to lack the lived social experience of being in presence with somebody. And I call that magic of innovation that happens when you’re interacting with somebody in a room. I had the pleasure of having a very good friend, still do, who was a really good jazz musician. He’s not famous, but he plays with a lot of famous jazz musicians. I mean, he’s just amazing in terms of his talent. And what’s funny is when COVID started, a lot of jazz musicians, among other artists, had to move into the studio, and they were doing studio work remotely. It was all digitized. The problem with jazz, just like the problem with most good music, there’s an innovative back and forth. There’s a dance, there’s a flow that people get into. And what we are finding is even on the business side, the innovative side, sales, marketing, developing new products, bringing them to the market, all of that has been stifled a bit by that lack of innovative magic of being reasonably in the presence of one another.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:31:02] So, again, don’t know what the answer is to there. Hopefully, the answer is we get a handle on things. Hopefully, Omicron isn’t — we certainly know it’s more contagious than Delta. Hopefully, it’s not as severe in its symptomatology. And hopefully, we can get a handle on it in a way that maybe we can start getting back into face-to-face interactives. Many of us, maybe all of us have been to virtual conferences in the last year, I can’t speak for everybody, but I can tell you I’ve been to some good ones, and I’ve been to many where it’s not even close to the lived experience of being in-person with somebody. So, these are things that we’re going to have to adapt to.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:31:42] Now, there’s a paradox here. And the paradox is at the same time that that has increased our interaction but decrease that kind of magical innovation that gone on and on for five minutes about that, there is at the same time what we’re seeing an increase in authentic engagement. And the authentic engagement is if we were in a conference call, some people would be asking me turning to the wrong direction about my boxing gloves. Those are my dad’s boxing gloves. He fought Golden Gloves when he was a young man in Chicago. That would never come up if we were in the office. And then, “Oh, you’re from Chicago,” or “Oh, your dad boxed. Did you learn to box?” These are little moments where we kind of — whether we mean to or not, we let people into our lives and we become a little more engaging. It’s a little more of an authentic interaction. And the paradox is we’re not doing this in person.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:32:32] So, the time we’ll be able to tell or only time can tell, I should say, of how is that going to play out. On the one hand, there’s something kind of artificial about this digital interaction. On the other hand, over time, you’re getting to see my — I mean, again, if these were regular calls, eventually you’d meet my dog. Shane has heard my dog bark so many times, he probably can recognize the bark. Shane has met my kids – he never would have probably met my kids – because they burst in when they get home from school, even though I tell them not to sometimes. That creates an authentic engagement where our humanness is shown and it comes through.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:33:13] So, it’s going to be really interesting to see how six and seven bounce off each other as we continue to navigate forward in 2022, particularly around issues of humor, and vulnerability and so on.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:33:27] All right. Number eight, and you might have already suspected this when I was talking quite a bit about the talent dilemma, but in a suddenly remote hybrid world – and when I say sudden, yes, it evolved over a year, 12 months, 18 months, but if you look at the history of any of our organizations, like go back 20, 30, 50, 60 years, some of us maybe are in organizations that go back a hundred years, you go back and look at the history of modern work since the industrial age began, 18 months is a blip. It is a blip on the map. That is a very rapid change. So, in a suddenly remote hybrid world, the talent pool is going to be global. We’re already seeing that. We already were trending that way, but now that so many of us have adapted to remote hybrid work, we’ve now eliminated that barrier.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:34:24] Now, some employers, some leaders are saying, “I want people back in the office and I want to hire people that live — I’m in Raleigh, North Carolina, so I want people that live around here, so they can come in the office.” That’s a choice. But what most organizations have, at least, been able to say or prove is that some of what we do can be not outsourced, but it can be off-sourced, it can be off the site, it could be at home, or remote or hybrid. And what that means is, now, when I’m looking for that account manager, or sales exec, or that head clinician, or that clinical program manager, I can now look in California, or Arizona, or New England. I don’t only have to look in Raleigh. So, that expands the talent pool.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:35:07] But what it also does to the talent, it means their options are expanding as well. So, if they join my group and they find after a year, “I don’t like the fit. I don’t like the mission. I don’t like the support I’m getting. I don’t like the level of development and mentoring I’m getting. I don’t like the company’s approach to D&I and inclusion-based issues or wellbeing, I now can look for a job in California, and Arizona and New England.” So, again, this is a dilemma that we all are going to have to navigate as we continue to move forward.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:35:41] Okay. All right. This might be a good time to take a quick pause. Shane, are there any questions that came through?

Shane McNally: [00:35:50] Yeah. We have one here that I think was pretty relevant. We had it in one of the first slides. So, with the move to more hybrid and work-from-home situations, do you forecast a rise in domestic violence? And what are companies doing to ensure they meet the duty of care obligations to provide a safe work environment in a remote world?

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:36:10] Wow, that is a great question. And it’s a hard one to absolutely answer, but I’m gonna do my best. And it’s one I kind of know the area of. So, we’ve already seen an uptick in domestic violence already in 2021. I would expect that to be the same, maybe a slight uptick into 2022. And some of these issues can get very complex, but just because for sake of time, I won’t go into all the variables from a risk angle, but it really comes down to when you are in an environment of hostility, where there’s an abuser and a victim, leaving for eight hours a day and separating isn’t a bad thing. The first thing most of us will do when we see a fight brewing, whether it’s at the Thanksgiving table or, unfortunately, if it’s at a Little Little League game, or if you’re a police officer responding to a situation, you separate. Leaving the house every day and going into work is, at least, a forced separation. Now, that’s all at home. That separation isn’t occurring. So, it doesn’t have to be a hotbed, but it increases the risk of flashpoints, of volatile flashpoints that can emerge into violence. So, I do think there’s a significant risk there.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:37:27] In terms of what are people doing, this is varied significantly, greatly. The best companies are really trying to do a job of reaching out, letting their employees know that they have domestic violence support resources, they’ve got mental health support resources, they have counseling, anonymous counseling resources, they have threat of violence services available to help people navigate a potentially violent or hostile situation. The best ones are doing that.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:37:57] What they’re also doing is trying to create cultures by which employees feel comfortable coming forward and sharing concerns about another employee, even if it’s anonymous, such that at least we can try to get people delivered or connected rather to the help that they may need. In terms of due diligence or duty, that gets tough now. And again, I think an employment lawyer would be better to ask in terms of where does the employer’s reach end. Yes, you’re working from home now, and yes, there is some kind of responsibility, but to what degree, as your employer, am I responsible for keeping your home environment safe? And at what point am I infringing on your personal life and your personal rights if I go too far with that?

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:38:51] I can say because I deal a lot with domestic violence, I deal a lot of threat of violence, and that intersects with legal and law enforcement, the jury is out on where those boundaries are. Again, this is a very new arena for us in terms of trying to figure out due diligence, duty to warn. And then, the question of how do courts, how does litigation in courts view that? So, it’s a really good question. I would say continue just to monitor how HR groups, security groups and certainly legal groups are talking about this issue, and particularly employment lawyers as we evolve through 2022. 2022, I think, is going to be a seminal year to determine how do we figure out or how do we manage these? And then, what are the courts say about it in terms of our responsibilities as leaders, managers and employers? Great question. Shane, do you want me to continue here, or do you want to do another question? What do you think?

Shane McNally: [00:39:48] Yeah, I think let’s keep it rolling because I think one of the questions may actually be answered in the next coming slides. So, I think let’s keep rolling with it. And if we have some more time, we’ll answer some more at the end.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:39:59] Perfect. And my goal is to get through these next slides in about eight minutes. I’m not going to do a deep dive because again, all of you are probably from different backgrounds, you might be from different industries, you might have different resources available or not available, different size organizations. So, we’re kind of hitting this with a broad brush stroke.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:40:18] So, we talked about trends, 2021 and 2022. We talked about eight specific trends, both positive things but also some pain points. So, this is where I get into, okay, what do we do about it? What do we do? How do we support mental health and wellbeing in a way that’s effective and with accessible resources. I’m going to say it again, in this next year, it’s all about people. They are our greatest asset. They certainly should be considered your greatest asset. And the CEOs in the Deloitte study, and even the Microsoft study, have both talked about that. It’s talent in every form. That is the goal. For those of us that remember, I think it was the Bill Clinton, Ross Perot, even before Ross Perot and George H. Bush, the old saying, “It’s taxes, stupid” or “It’s about taxes,” well, my mantra this year is, “It’s about the people, stupid.” Not that people are stupid, but it’s all about the people. It’s about your talent – attracting them, hiring them, developing them, retaining them and so on. It’s key.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:41:24] One thing we’re all going to have to do better is we’re going to have to expand our toolbox in terms of resources, and we’re going to have to get out of siloed thinking in terms of how we handle problems. Historically, a lot of this has been dumped on HR. Maybe some of it’s been dumped on security if it’s a threat or risk issue. And then, in some cases, it might be dumped on legal if you have a legal team internally or maybe you have an ad hoc external legal team. The problem is, is we need to expand the dilemma. Most companies, if you go back pre-COVID, they basically had a hammer in the toolbox. And if you had a nail, great; they had a hammer. And if you had a screw, they had a hammer. And if you had something else, if you needed to glue something, they had a hammer. We need to expand the toolbox in terms of the resources that we have available to us.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:42:21] Part of that process is — sorry, I missed. I didn’t forward some of the slides. That’s the CEO slide. That’s a toolbox slide. Now, I’m caught up. I’m sorry about that.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:42:32] We need to also, I believe, strongly have a conceptual shift from looking at dealing with the behaviors of concern from a perspective of adversarial and contentious to collaborative and supportive. Now, that doesn’t mean there are times that we don’t need to exit somebody from our organization. That happens. But we can do it in a way that we still are trying to maximize a supportive engagement with that person. So, we want to engage people from end to end. A lot of times, people – I do a lot of hostile terminations. I don’t personally, but I help navigate them, I should say. People ask me after the termination, when do you start mitigating a hostile termination? When does it begin? When do you really start doing it?

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:43:20] And I always say, managing a hostile termination begins the day you hire that person. I don’t care if it’s 10 years ago. The day you hire them, the way you want to award them, the way you try to be supportive, and fair and equitable, the way you engage them with respect and dignity, and how you’ve done that, whether it’s three months or three years or 30 years, sets the tone for how you’re going to deal with that when things get ugly at the back end. So, it’s an engagement process end to end. We want to educate people on that process, each step, what resources do we have available, how do we help them. We want to have a general message of support to people all through the process. And we want to align what resources we do have beyond the intervention is a singular event. View it as a process of intervening.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:44:09] Now, none of this means that if somebody does something egregious at your workplace that they don’t need to be exited. Not at all. Sometimes, people need to be exited. But can we do it in a way that maximizes support, in a way that they can look forward in their life and not look backward with a sense of anger and resentment, and in some cases, vengeance? So, that’s one of the keys.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:44:30] Again, I talked about the singular event. Get away from that and move it into an engaged process. And that process begins with the first time I sit you down and say, “I’m going to give you an informal, non-official verbal coaching session. That’s where it starts. And I’m doing it because I want to help you get better and I want you to develop. But it’s your choice to develop. Are you going to take the help or not? And then, over time, it could escalate to the point that I have to let you go. But that process is going to be a process. It’s not going to be a singular event.”

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:45:03] Another thing to consider, one of the dilemmas is that all the old behaviors of concern haven’t gone away. Many of these have even exacerbated if you look over the past year or two. Various levels of emotional crisis, we know depression is up threefold. Anxiety is up fourfold. And this is across the general population. Suicide threats, anger, hostility, inclusion, diversity and inclusion issues, violence threats, domestic violence, all of these issues are not — some are growing, some are neutral or the same that they were a couple of years ago, but here’s what’s different, the average worker is more aware of these issues, and they’re more aware of when they’re struggling. That doesn’t mean they’re coming forward. They may not feel safe coming forward, but they’re more aware of that, which means, as leaders, we are kind of beholden to try to do something about these. We can’t put our heads in the sand and just play like it’s an ostrich. So, we have to be aware of what these issues are as much, if not more than ever, and still try to navigate them with all the pain points I’ve also talked about.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:46:12] So, how do we do this? Well, we move towards a continuum of service support. And there’s a number of key offerings. And what we want to do here is we want to do these, not — I’ll say it better. We don’t want to be siloed in how we handle these. By the way, this is not exhaustive. Human resources, management, meaning just management at all levels, evaluation options. Does somebody need fitness for duty? Do we need to employ pre-employment screens on the front end? Do people need substance abuse support, or counseling, or evaluations? Do people need performance coaching or other types of performance coaching or enhancement? Mentoring? EDP support services, engagement and treatment providers for those individuals that need that, whether temporary or long-term. And obviously, we need to engage legal because there’s risk involved from the business perspective. Vocational services in some cases. Benefit and leave options, which is kind of a wing, if you will, of HR. All of these are key offerings, and it’s important because when all of these are working together, and they’re not siloed, that creates an environment in which the person, the employee, feels engaged, they feel supported. And again, supported doesn’t mean I’m going to stay here forever, but it means we’re maximizing the chance that I can get back to thriving and get my life back in a way that it’s a win/win.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:47:40] I often will say to my personal team at R3, my ultimate goal as a manager, as a leader is to help you thrive, whatever that may be, bring mentoring, bring guidance, bring support. I do not hit that goal every day. I have stressful days. I have busy days given the nature of my role as medical director that I do not live up to that promise. That’s my goal. But here’s the other part of the goal is I want to maximize that I can do all of that while you’re still with R3. If I can’t, and you go on, and you thrive somewhere else, great, I’m going to be happy for you as a colleague, and a friend, and a professional. But my goal is to try to maximize that internally. And that’s part of that engagement process as we navigate through this.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:48:29] So, I’m going to talk briefly here about leadership strategies. And then, we’re going to wrap up with probably about 10 minutes worth of questions if we have them. So, as leaders — and by the way, when I say leaders, you could be leader of a three-person team or you could be the CEO of a Fortune 500 company. These apply. These apply to your Little League team, frankly, both on the parents and on the kids. First is champion and behavioral health at the top. If we are not modeling – and when I say modeling behavioral health, I don’t mean I am perfect and I’m living my best life every day. I’m not talking about living in an Instagram kind of visual life, which is often fake. I’m talking about champion support for behavioral health. And as leaders, sometimes, that means even admitting our own vulnerabilities or our own need to pursue our own resources. Now, self-disclosure is something that can be tricky. I’m not saying everyone should do that, but however you need to champion it, please do so as a leader.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:49:26] Foster open and clear communication. I often say this fear and anxiety level a vacuum, it’s important that we fill that vacuum to understand what is our company’s mission, what is our value towards behavioral health, and how are we going to support people? Engage your employees. Get to know them. Reach out to them. Don’t be distant as best you can. Model strength and vulnerability. How do you do that? Well, bottling strength isn’t just about being strong all the time. The problem, if you’re strong all the time as a leader, you give the impression, even if you don’t mean to, that your workers should be strong all the time. There’s something okay about stumbling because every time we stumble, we have to get back up. And to me, that’s the true modeling of the vulnerability from which strength comes from. It’s that “Yes, I had struggles.”

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:50:15] Someone said to me recently, and I love this quote, “You’re having a bad day. You’re not having a bad life.” So, there’s times that I will tell my folks, “I’m in a really crappy place today, but I’m going to get through it, and this is what I’m doing to get through it.” I am modeling the getting back up; I am not modeling being perfect all the time because none of us are.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:50:36] Know thyself and assess thyself. Again, this goes for organizations, it goes for teams, and it goes for individuals. Constantly looking at ourselves of how do we better ourselves, how do we improve? Know you’re lane. Now, this is organizationally. So, when outside of your lane, consultant an expert. If you don’t have internal legal, and you get up to a point where you need legal consultation, know who to go to. If you’re dealing with a threat mitigation situation, and you don’t deal with that regularly, reach out. I mean, a huge part of what I do as I sit on threat teams as an external ad hoc member and help them navigate hostility issues at their workplace because they’re not big enough or for many reasons, they don’t have an internal expert. That’s fine. Whatever the issue may be, is know your expertise, shine in that, and then know what are the other things you want to pursue.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:51:29] And be bold. If you look at the pain points that I talked about this this past hour, and if you look at what those are, and the challenges ahead, and in many ways, I’m going to say organizations have never been through this kind of accelerated revolutionary change, probably since early in the industrial revolution. We have to be bold. We have to be, to come up with solutions that are going to push us through into whatever the next normal is going to be on the back end of this, whether it’s a year, or two, or three years from now.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:52:10] So, in closing, and then we’ll get to some questions, one of my favorites, Brene Brown, I imagine many of you have seen or know of her, there’s a lot of research and thought leadership on vulnerability, and growth, and intimacy and so on, this quote sums it for me – and I’m adding employees to the mix because I think there’s accountability on all sides here – “Leaders and employees must either invest a reasonable amount of time trying to manage fears and feelings now or squander an unreasonable amount of time trying to manage ineffective and unproductive behavior later.” So, we are going to pay now or later in terms of time, and change, and effort. I think it’s better to do that on the front end and help develop people, especially given the trends that I’ve talked about today and then pain points. Doing that now versus doing that later in a crisis mode and a purely reactive mode.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:53:06] So, with that, I want to thank you for your time and I want to open it up for questions. For the last — I’ve got about six or seven minutes here.

Shane McNally: [00:53:14] Yeah, yeah, perfect. So, we do have a few minutes. We do have a quite a few questions that have come in as well. So, this is great. Before we hop into the questions, I just want to invite everybody to our next webinar, it’ll be our first one of 2022, and it’ll be on January 18th. This webinar will be taking a look at personal stress, and how it can affect our business life, and figuring out ways to mitigate that disruption. So, that webinar is also pending approval for one PDC credit through that SHRM recertification program we mentioned earlier, and more information is to come on that in the future.

Shane McNally: [00:53:48] So, with the few minutes we have remaining, let’s get started with a few questions, Dr. Vergolias. The first one here, there seems to be a lot of people celebrating remote work, but do you think they are underestimating the negative impact being remote has on their mental health and social health?

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:54:07] That’s a great — that’s an astute question, and I do. I do. I think — let me give you a quick example. I’ve been working remote with R3 for 10 years, and I did fine. And when the pandemic hit, everything changed, and it changed because everyone else was working remote. And when everyone else shifted, what I found is that my day didn’t end cleanly anymore. It’s just kind of evolved. There was never an off. And what’s odd is I should have been a master at this. But the environment, the context shifted, and I needed to shift with it.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:54:43] So, I do think there’s a lot of people that are either not aware or they’re aware and they’re struggling. One of the biggest things I do is that — so, I’m going to wrap this up in a few minutes. I got about another hour and a half or so. And every day, I change what I’m wearing. I get out of whatever — because whatever I’m wearing to during the day is my work clothes, and I change. And I literally consciously make a transition. I also try not to do a lot of non-business work in this room. This is my work office. Don’t always hit that goal. So, those are the kind of things that I think are important. And I think that’s a really, really astute question. Thank you.

Shane McNally: [00:55:24] Perfect. The next one here, you mentioned that leaders were still looking forward to 2022, but a large margin of employees may not feel that way. How can you tell if your employees are feeling unhappy in their position?

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:55:39] So, two things. One, and this is going to sound really like sophomoric, so excuse me, but ask them. Ask them. Do it in an anonymous way, so they don’t feel threatened. And then, listen to the input. And then, reflect it back, whether it’s a town hall, whether it’s a one-on-one discussion, a team discussion. And whatever leadership you are — I mean, a CEO can’t have discussions with everybody in the company, typically, but whatever level of leadership you might be showing, ask them what those concerns are, really convey you’ve heard them, share them back in a way that conveys you’ve heard them, and then try to come up with some solutions that can attest or, I’m sorry, that can attend to what those needs might be. Start with that. And if you start with that alone, you’re going to be ahead, I think, of 75% of the organizations out there.

Shane McNally: [00:56:37] All right, the next one here. How important is it for employers to have a 24-hour employee assistance program?

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:56:49] You know, I think it’s important to have, at least, access to resources. It really depends on your organizational culture, the size, and to what degree you feel your organization needs that level of support. And I know that is a very murky statement, but this is where the type of intervention and the scope really depends on the kind of organization that you have. What I will say is emotional crises do not happen 9:00 to 5:00. And anyone that’s in HR listening today is probably nodding your head. And they tend to happen at 4:30 on a Friday, but they don’t happen 9:00 to 5:00. And so, if we’re going to model and convey a true sense of support and wellbeing, it’s important, at least, to have available resources.

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:57:42] Now, that doesn’t mean you’re spending $3 million a year for a 24/7, 365 EAP response. It might be that you’re simply letting people know in their given work area, what are the local resources for mental health? Can we engage with those resources in other ways. Can we can we ally in some way, make allies or make connections with them? There’s some creative ways to do this, but I do think it’s important to convey that degree of support.

Shane McNally: [00:58:14] All right. And I think we have time for just one more question here, and this one came in right near the beginning. Other than the healthcare industry, what industry do you think has been hit the hardest over the last two years?

Dr. George Vergolias: [00:58:27] That’s a good question. I’d have to say the service sector industry just because of forced closures, reduction in patrons, just general service. It could be restaurants, it could be bars, it could be food, various types of food, hotels, they’ve just been so impacted. But what’s hard is that there’s a ripple effect. The other flip side is all the people that are stocking shelves and the trucker industry, and those that run trains and work at the port authorities on the supply chain, they’ve had the opposite effect of needing to do triple, quadruple time. So, it’s tough, but there’s been a number of those sectors. Those are the two that come to mind, one with no business, and one with an insane amount of over business, if you will. Amazon, those types of roles.

Shane McNally: [00:59:26] Yeah, absolutely. Well, so that will be the top of the hour for this webinar today. So, as a reminder to everyone, you can find more resources under our resource tab. You’ll be able to find our upcoming webinars, our recent webinars that you can watch on demand, which will shortly include today’s webinar as well.

Shane McNally: [00:59:45] As we’ve heard from Dr. Vergolias, 2022 is going to be a year that we’ll see some changes going forward and the importance of employee wellbeing. R3 Continuum can help to ensure your employee wellbeing program is offering the right level of behavioral health support by tailoring solutions to fit the unique challenges of your workplace. Learn more about R3 Continuum services and contact us at www.r3c.com or email us directly at info@r3c.com.

 

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The R3 Continuum Playbook: Workplace Stress and Burnout

November 4, 2021 by John Ray

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The R3 Continuum Playbook: Workplace Stress and Burnout

Stress and burnout, says Dr. Tyler Arvig, Associate Medical Director at R3 Continuum, affects not just the health of employees but that of the overall organization. With numerous surveys and studies revealing that employee stress and burnout have risen dramatically over the past year, Dr. Arvig discusses signs to watch for and resources that can be employed to address these conditions. The R3 Continuum Playbook is presented by R3 Continuum and is produced by the Minneapolis-St.Paul Studio of Business RadioX®. R3 Continuum is the underwriter of Workplace MVP, the show which celebrates heroes in the workplace.

 

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Intro: [00:00:00] Broadcasting from the Business RadioX Studios, here is your R3 Continuum Playbook. Brought to you by Workplace MVP sponsor, R3 Continuum, a global leader in workplace behavioral health, crisis, and security solutions.

Tyler Arvig : [00:00:15] Hi. My name is Dr. Tyler Arvig, Associate Medical Director at R3 Continuum. Over the past two years, we’ve seen a dramatic increase in stress and burnout in employees. Stress and burnout, if left unaddressed, can have a significant impact on the mental health and overall wellbeing of our employees and our organization. There are a handful of challenges that surround stress and burnout in the workplace. Stress and burnout affect every level of an organization, from the executive level on down.

Tyler Arvig : [00:00:51] Stress and burnout affect people really on three different levels, personal, professional, and organizational. They are also often multifactorial, which can make finding the root cause a challenge. Employees have been through a lot over the past two years. While it may seem like working from home, practicing social distancing, masking, temperature checks, and the like, are just second nature these days. Many impacts on employees have yet to be fully realized.

Tyler Arvig : [00:01:26] Over time, stress and burnout can slowly erode employees until that level of stress that they’re feeling just becomes normal to them. And, often, when that happens, it’s simply quite unhealthy. In a recent webinar by R3 Continuum, we asked our audience if they felt an increase in stress due to work over the last year. We’ve received over 800 responses, 94 percent of which indicated they felt an increase in stress over the last year due to work. In that same webinar, we asked our audience if they’ve experienced any form of burnout over the last year. Again, those same 800 respondents, 84 percent said they have.

Tyler Arvig : [00:02:19] We can see just based on these numbers – and by the way, there are several other studies out there that show essentially similar findings – the stress and burnout are real and they’re having significant impact on employees in all industries. Having a better understanding of stress and burnout and knowing different ways to address these are critical to maintain the mental health and wellbeing of our employees and also, parenthetically, ourselves.

Tyler Arvig : [00:02:54] There are many different signs or key indicators of stress or burnout. If you noticed early these individuals, what they’re experiencing can be drastically reduced. Having keen observation skills can help identify some of the signs in employees, such as unusual changes in mood, difficulty getting stuff done, increased cynicism, having constant negative thoughts, or a negative attitude, having difficulty concentrating, sleeping too much or not getting enough sleep, concerns about substance use or abuse, and feelings of hopelessness. If you see these things, that may indicate an employee who is struggling with some level of stress or burnout.

Tyler Arvig : [00:03:50] If you do observe the above in your colleagues or you notice them in yourself, it’s important to recognize and to try and address these things. When it comes to supporting coworkers, there are numerous approaches we can take. But one of the most important and also easiest to do is simply to stay in touch. Communication and having a positive attitude is really important. And positive attitude, in particular, can be infectious and help rub off on others.

Tyler Arvig : [00:04:29] Help a coworker take a break from a project, because that’s also going to help them to have a little bit of a break from the stress they might be experiencing. When connecting, it’s important to not ask invasive questions. But if the coworker is beginning to open up or share, share your own experiences with them if you’ve had a similar situation. This will help them to validate the feelings they might be experiencing and to feel less alone or isolated in what they’re experiencing.

Tyler Arvig : [00:05:02] Make time to connect with others also outside of work. Letting that coworker take a break from work interactions and unwind is also a good way to help support them. But be mindful in any of these things to maintain professional boundaries and, certainly, to keep any information that’s shared privately, private.

Tyler Arvig : [00:05:27] As mentioned earlier, stress and burnout can affect anyone in the organization. Whether you’re at an executive level or you’re an intern, self-care needs to be a priority. Take some time to step back from your work and recognize when you’re feeling stressed or when you’re feeling burned out. This is key to being able to be effective at work and also help those around you.

Tyler Arvig : [00:05:54] Leaders often feel stress and burnout and never address it because they’re too busy supporting others. However, if an executive is no longer feeling motivated or a passion for the organization, that will trickle down through the workplace and through the workforce. Ensuring executives know the importance of addressing mental health for themselves and their employees is a really good way to make sure that your organization is supported from the top down.

Tyler Arvig : [00:06:26] There are many resources available, some through your organization and others that are more open sourced. Your workplace will probably have an employee assistance program or EAP. Most EAPs offers several no cost counseling sessions available for situations just like we’re discussing. Your H.R. department may also have resources available. I would recommend that people consider also engage in psychotherapy if they are struggling.

Tyler Arvig : [00:07:03] It is easier than ever to utilize psychotherapy as telehealth has made it possible to engage in therapy with your computer or even your smartphone. You don’t even need to leave your home or your desk. There are also other options such as free apps you can get on your phone or your computer that might help provide some basic skills or tips for managing stress, anxiety, or depression. You could also consider mutual support groups. An example of this that everyone might be aware of are Alcoholics Anonymous or Narcotics Anonymous. But these are groups were, essentially, people that are going through similar situations can help support each other. There’s lots of them out there, so utilize that. They don’t cost anything.

Tyler Arvig : [00:07:51] The point here is, you have many different options and nobody should hesitate to use anything and everything that’s available to them. Understanding the impact that stress and burnout can have on employees and knowing how to address these things properly can and does make a quantifiable difference on the health of your people and your organization.

Tyler Arvig : [00:08:17] R3 Continuum can help your organization support the wellbeing of your employees in many ways, including a service we call Proactive Wellness Outreach. To consult with an expert regarding your unique situation or to learn more about our custom solutions, you can contact us at www.r3c.com or reach out by email at info@r3c.com. Thank you very much.

 

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R3 Continuum (R3c) is a global leader in workplace behavioral health and security solutions. R3c helps ensure the psychological and physical safety of organizations and their people in today’s ever-changing and often unpredictable world. Through their continuum of tailored solutions, including evaluations, crisis response, executive optimization, protective services, and more, they help organizations maintain and cultivate a workplace of wellbeing so that their people can thrive. Learn more about R3c at www.r3c.com.

R3 Continuum is the underwriter of Workplace MVP, a show which celebrates the everyday heroes–Workplace Most Valuable Professionals–in human resources, risk management, security, business continuity, and the C-suite who resolutely labor for the well-being of employees in their care, readying the workplace for and planning responses to disruption.

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Workplace MVP: Wendi Safstrom, SHRM Foundation

October 28, 2021 by John Ray

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In this conversation with host Jamie Gassmann, SHRM Foundation Executive Director Wendi Safstrom observed that a failure to support employees’ mental health not only weighs on the employees themselves but also weighs heavily on an organization’s bottom line. With that factor in mind, Wendi outlined several new initiatives of the SHRM Foundation, including an in-person summit which included participants across the organizational structure, including CEOs. She discussed issues which have made mental health and wellness a top priority for the foundation, the research they are drawing on, the costs of an organization doing nothing, and much more. Workplace MVP is underwritten and presented by R3 Continuum and produced by the Minneapolis-St.Paul Studio of Business RadioX®.

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The SHRM Foundation’s mission is to mobilize the power of HR and activate the generosity of donors to lead positive social change impacting all things work. The Foundation is committed to elevating and empowering HR as a social force through its innovative solutions to workplace inclusion challenges, programming designed to inspire and empower the next generation of HR leaders, and awarding scholarships and professional development grants to educate and develop students and HR professionals.  The SHRM Foundation is a 501(c)(3) philanthropic arm of the Society for Human Resource Management.

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Wendi Safstrom, Executive Director, SHRM Foundation

Wendi Safstrom, Executive Director, SHRM Foundation

Wendi Safstrom is a senior non-profit leader committed to serving the public through philanthropic program management, cultivating strategic partnerships and managing and developing high-performing teams. She has both association and nonprofit management experience including; national program development and administration, membership strategy, marketing and product development, grant management, development and donor stewardship, and leading cross-functional teams. Safstrom currently serves as Executive Director for the Society for Human Resource Management Foundation (SHRM Foundation), where she leads the development and implementation of SHRM Foundation’s programmatic, development, and marketing and communication strategies in support of SHRM Foundation’s new mission and vision, creating growth plans and ensuring alignment with SHRM goals.

Prior to assuming the role at SHRM Foundation, Safstrom served as Vice President at the National Restaurant Association and National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation, where she led the development and implementation of their Foundation’s most recent five-year strategic plan, and was responsible for all Foundation programming, including workforce development initiatives, scholarship and event management, community relations and engagement initiatives. The NRAEF’s philanthropic programming supported a number of audiences including high school youth, veterans transitioning from service to civilian work and life, opportunity youth and incumbent workers. Of particular note, she led the implementation of the restaurant industry’s premier high school career and technical education program, growing the program to over 2,000 public high schools, engaging over 150,000 students annually, nationwide. In 2016, she served as lead project director for the development of a $10 million contract awarded by the U.S. Department of Labor to develop the hospitality industry’s first apprenticeship program, and was instrumental in the Foundation’s reorganization and relocation of operations from Chicago, Illinois to Washington, D.C., transforming the staff and culture.

Safstrom has also held human resource management roles with the Leo Burnett Company and Hyatt Hotels Corporation in Chicago, Illinois. She has a BS in Business Administration from the Eli Broad School of Business at Michigan State University and was recognized as a member of the 2014 “Power 20” by Restaurant Business Magazine as a leader in philanthropy within the restaurant industry.

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Every day, around the world, organizations of all sizes face disruptive events and situations. Within those workplaces are everyday heroes in human resources, risk management, security, business continuity, and the C-suite. They don’t call themselves heroes though. On the contrary, they simply show up every day, laboring for the well-being of employees in their care, readying the workplace for and planning responses to disruption. This show, Workplace MVP, confers on these heroes the designation they deserve, Workplace MVP (Most Valuable Professionals), and gives them the forum to tell their story. As you hear their experiences, you will learn first-hand, real life approaches to readying the workplace, responses to crisis situations, and overcoming challenges of disruption. Visit our show archive here.

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In addition to serving as the host to the Workplace MVP podcast, Jamie Gassmann is the Director of Marketing at R3 Continuum (R3c). Collectively, she has more than fourteen years of marketing experience. Across her tenure, she has experience working in and with various industries including banking, real estate, retail, crisis management, insurance, business continuity, and more. She holds a Bachelor of Science Degree in Mass Communications with special interest in Advertising and Public Relations and a Master of Business Administration from Paseka School of Business, Minnesota State University.

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Intro: [00:00:04] Broadcasting from the Business RadioX Studios, it’s time for Workplace MVP. Workplace MVP is brought to you by R3 Continuum, a global leader in workplace behavioral health and security solutions. Now, here’s your host, Jamie Gassmann.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:00:25] Hi, everyone. Your host, Jamie Gassman here, and welcome to this episode of Workplace MVP. So, I just saw a statistic the other day that indicated that $23 billion dollars is spent annually in the United States from the loss of work productivity as a result of depression alone. Depression also contributes to 200 million lost workdays annually around the world. Now, imagine the other common mental health diagnoses that employees may be dealing with, like anxiety or bipolar disorder, and what the loss of productivity and workdays might look like with all of them combined.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:01:02] A focus on mental health in the workplace has become more of a priority to employers and employees over the last year. But there’s still a stigma that workplaces are facing when it comes to talking about or offering mental health support in the workplace. How can employers ensure they’re offering the right level of mental health and wellness support? And, how can they ensure they are reducing, if not eliminating, the lingering presence of stigma?

Jamie Gassmann: [00:01:27] The Society of Human Resource Professionals, also known as SHRM, is on a mission to help employers create better workplace wellness through their SHRM Foundation. And, with us today to share the great work SHRM Foundation is doing to better workplace mental health and to offer best practice advice for our employers and listeners of Workplace MVP is SHRM Foundation President, Wendi Safstrom. Welcome to the show, Wendi.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:01:53] Thank you. Thanks so much for having us today.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:01:56] So, let’s start off. Can you walk us through your career journey and how you kind of – the path you took to getting to the position you’re in today?

Wendi Safstrom: [00:02:06] Sure, absolutely. And, thanks for asking. So, I have been with SHRM Foundation for just over four and a half years, and I have the great pleasure of working with the CEO and President of SHRM, Johnny C. Taylor, Jr.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:02:18] And, over the last couple of years, we’ve really morphed the work we do, our purpose, vision, and mission. And, again, I’m just really honored and proud to be representing the foundation today, and I’m really excited to be in this particular role when you talk about my professional journey because I was an H.R. professional way back. Back in the day, right after I graduated from school, from college, I had different recruiting and H.R. roles with the Leo Burnett Company, a large advertising agency in Chicago, and with Hyatt Hotels, their corporate offices in Chicago as well.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:02:51] Fast forward, about 20 years later, now, really, what I would consider an association and nonprofit lead, right? So, I’ve got experience in National Program Development Administration, membership strategy, marketing and product development, grant management, all the kinds of things you have to do to fundraise, to actually feel your work, and really focusing on leading cross-functional teams. And, this position is really the perfect blend of supporting an industry for which I have, or profession I should say, a deep respect and affinity for in a nonprofit role, so we can really help H.R. professionals lead positive social change in the workplace. And, really excited to be talking with you about workplace mental health and wellness today.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:03:37] Absolutely. It’s such an important topic right now, especially after the last year and a half that we’ve been navigating, especially for workplaces and leaders themselves trying to figure out how to help support those employees. So, with that in mind, you know, talk me, tell me a little bit about the SHRM Foundation, you know, some of the different types of work that you do and then particularly some of the work that you’re focused around with mental health and wellbeing.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:04:03] Sure. Just really quickly, sure. We’re the SHRM Foundation. We’re the 501(c)(3) philanthropic affiliate of the Society for Human Resource Management, SHRM. And, SHRM is the world’s largest professional society for H.R. We engage about 300,000 members and by extension over 115 million employees in countries around the world every single day.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:04:24] So, our platform to affect change is tremendous and we’re here to leverage that opportunity. Our mission at the foundation is, as I mentioned, to mobilize the power that H.R. professionals have and really help them activate positive social change and help them lead positive social change, impacting all things work. And, we think that, perhaps more so now than ever before, it’s so important to realize or help realize our shared vision, which we share with SHRM of that being a world of work that works for all. And, when we talk about the foundation at a very high level, we often refer to our work and kind of four pillars of work and we have programming tools and resources to support each of those pillars of work, and all of this information is available on our SHRM Foundation website, which I’m sure will show some of the resources at the end of the podcast.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:05:14] So, I think one of the most effective but least utilized solutions to addressing gaps in diversity, equity and inclusion strategies is hiring and retaining workers who may not be the standard that businesses consider when they’re seeking talent due to biases or uninformed misconceptions or perceptions. So, through our Building an Inclusive Workplace Initiative or our untapped pools of talent programming, we help H.R. professionals develop and provide equitable opportunities for employment and provide them a pathway by which they can create inclusive cultures and workplaces for those valuable members of untapped pools of talent, veterans, individuals with criminal records, individuals with disabilities, older workers, opportunity youth, who bring tremendous potential to workplaces but are often overlooked.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:06:05] And, a newer initiative for the foundation in partnership with our SHRM membership team is a targeted focus on supporting emerging professionals, so the H.R. professionals of the future. And, in our role as a professional society, we care and should care about the development of that next gen of H.R. professionals. So, we help activate student professional networks. We provide scholarships and opportunities for students who are considering and are pursuing H.R. to connect with working H.R. professionals in the event, or they hope that they continue their journey, their professional journey with SHRM.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:06:41] And then, really, the two areas of focus that have emerged over the last year are linked to upskilling and reskilling that helps prepare people not only for the future of work but helps prepare people who have been displaced to get them back into the workforce, and that all lends itself truly to the primary focus why we’re here today, which is workplace mental health and wellness.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:07:03] And, the statistics that you mentioned are staggering in terms of the impact that workplace mental health and/or lack of support and the stigma – with stigma comes silence – the impact that it has on businesses and their bottom lines. There is a tremendous need, if now, so if not now, probably moreso ever than before for these strategies, evidence-based tools, resources, especially in the wake of the pandemic, times of social unrest, and really economic instability. So, in a nutshell, that’s what the foundation does, and workplace mental health and wellness is at the top of our priority list.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:07:44] Yeah. A lot of amazing work. Some areas, obviously, that you kind of drawing out concepts and thinking that maybe, you know, H.R. leaders or business leaders haven’t thought of before or maybe haven’t, you know, maybe bold enough or brave enough or even considered going into looking into those areas for workers and helping workers. So, that’s great. So, you know, with talking about this, this mental health, I mean, there’s a core focus and a purpose for the foundation around that. Can you talk a little bit about what that looks like and what you’re working towards with that enhanced focus?

Wendi Safstrom: [00:08:22] Sure. Our shared purpose again in alignment with SHRM is really to elevate H.R., and we talk about elevating H.R., we’re talking about elevating the professional knowledge and skills that H.R. professionals have and practice every single day. We’re talking about elevating the profession of H.R. and the thoughts and attitudes and stereotypes people may have of what it means to work in H.R. or what it means to have H.R. serve as a business leader in which they are. They’re in positions to really affect change in the workplace. And, you know, we’re long past the day where H.R. was thought of as the payroll and paper processing, you know, we’re going to hire and fire people. Those are long gone.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:09:05] And, if there were ever a time for excellence when it comes to H.R., it’s now. And, in fact, the need for H.R. professionals has continued to grow nearly twice the average growth rate for all other occupations so there’s a need. And, this workplace mental health and wellness, this was an issue even prior to COVID and everything that’s happened over the last year, year-and-a-half.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:09:27] Mental illness and mental wellness continue to be an issue that H.R. professionals, together with other members of the C-suite or their CEO and leadership need to come together and make a commitment to affect cultural change within their organizations. So, really, we’re elevating H.R. and their knowledge skills, competencies related to workplace mental health wellness, and we’re elevating those kinds of positions so that they are viewed in the same lens that other members of the C-suite are if they’re not there already.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:09:57] Yeah. Now, fantastic, because they really are kind of the eyes and ears to culturally how people are feeling. I mean, sometimes I, you know, as a leader myself, find that my employees might be and not at a fault of my own or in a fault of another leader is just H.R. is kind of like that person they can go to for that, you know, different level of support than what they might be able to obtain from their actual leaders. So, they really do have eyes and ears into people’s wellbeing at a different level than other organizational leaders might.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:10:30] Yes.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:10:31] And so, to help kind of further expand your foundation’s focus on workplace mental health, you recently held a workplace mental health summit in New York. And, I believe if I’ve got my information correct, it was like the first of its kind that you had created just specifically this year. Can you share with us what were some of the main topics that you covered, you know, based on what you were seeing within the workplace that’s become more common?

Wendi Safstrom: [00:10:55] Yeah. Actually, it was the first, not only the first summit of this kind for organization addressing workplace mental health and wellness, but it was in-person and we had every COVID protocol you can imagine in place. I think it was a tremendous opportunity for subject matter experts, scientists, psychologists, CEOs, CHROs, philanthropists, policymakers, other business leaders, because it’s going to take all of us, truly, to affect change in work as it relates to workplace mental health and wellness. It can be implemented and impacted by H.R. professionals, but it’s going to take a village, so to speak, and all those kinds of people working together to make things happen.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:11:36] And, you know, we held this meeting despite the odds because we recognized the status quo would not do. We had speakers. We had, I think, 33 panelists in different speaking roles and covering different topics that were very passionate and knowledgeable about the topics that they brought to the table as it relates to workplace mental health and wellness.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:11:57] There’s a phrase that I’ve picked up somewhere, so now I’ve continued to use it, which is we’ve admired the problem, right? We understand that there is an issue. The statistics are staggering in terms of impact on people and business and communities. And so, rather than focus on talking to one another and telling one another what an issue and a challenge we have, we framed the topic of workplace mental health and wellness and then we started to move into that deep and what can be often crowded or complicated space of mental health and mental illness right out of the gate, right? So, we were really focused on discussions around what’s working ideas in terms of strategies and tactics in terms of attitudes, thoughts, perceptions, and tools that H.R. professionals could be using or should be using to affect change within their organizations.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:12:47] Some of the speakers we had, Dr. Arthur Evans was the CEO of the American Psychological Association. His topic was really focusing on that, a psychologically healthy workplace. Amazing, amazing dialogue. With other psychologists who brought that kind of scientific and clinical perspective to the table, but made it real and relevant to the working professionals who are in the audience.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:13:11] We had the Honorable Patrick J. Kennedy. He’s a former congressman from Rhode Island, and his whole focus was talking about there is no health without mental health and different kinds of strategies that we can, as that village, really help advance this national priority of mental health.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:13:29] And, we had an amazing speaker, Dr. Nadine Burke Harris, and she’s the California surgeon general. She brought some insights to the table with regard to adverse childhood experiences and its impact on the workplace, not only today but in the future, and the impact of trauma that is compounded certainly by what’s been going on over the last year and a half.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:13:51] So, lots of different perspectives, lots of topics. We landed on kind of a six-point plan or outcomes that were going to be activating and putting into motion here in the next couple of weeks.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:14:02] Wow. Sounds like a great event. Lots of great information and takeaways.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:14:06] Lots of good energy. And, I’ve, you know, rarely been to a summit where people stay the whole time and they’re taking notes the whole time and that was really neat to see, people at all levels and all different kinds of, representing different kinds of organizations.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:14:21] Oh, fantastic. So, you know, you kind of mentioned status quo. So, you know, some experts also say that employers can no longer afford the status quo of mental health support. So, share with me a little bit about your thoughts on this.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:14:36] Sure. So, we often say that the cost of doing nothing about or continuing to do what we’re doing, which is likely most often nothing, right, about workplace mental health and wellness is significantly higher than investing in evidence-based prevention and treatment. And, we know that failure to support employees’ mental health not only weighs on the employees themselves but it also weighs heavily on an organization’s bottom line. And, some of the statistics that you mentioned are truly staggering, the loss of productivity. The fact that depression alone costs people workdays. So, not only are the individual workers at risk, you’re putting the business at risk. The businesses go out of business that impacts the individual workers themselves and their communities.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:15:24] We do know in terms of why you can’t afford to do this. By investing in workplace mental health and wellness, you’re increasing retention and recruitment. You’re adding to your recruitment strategies or your talent management strategies. You’re increasing productivity. You’re helping lower absenteeism. You’re lowering the costs related to disability and medical-related costs for your medical plans, and you’re also reducing employee-related risks and other types of liabilities.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:15:56] And so, for every dollar invested in good mental health, promoting good mental health, providing the tools and resources, every dollar invested has a $3 to $5 return. So, in terms of no longer afford, I think we can help businesses become not only more successful perhaps by really making investments in these critical solutions as opposed to continuing with that status quo and continuing to pretend that it’s not an issue or a problem.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:16:25] Yeah. They need to look at it as more of an investment into their organization as opposed to a cost.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:16:32] Exactly.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:16:32] Which is probably what they maybe still kind of so changing that thinking around that might help them. So, if an H.R. leader was going to put that into context, do you have recommendations for how they might, you know, proactively go to leadership and change some of that thinking from it as a cost to and it’s an investment into the organization?

Wendi Safstrom: [00:16:58] Yeah. I think that there are – we were just on another call with folks talking about more tactical solutions for like EAPs and having addressing stigma and having a communication, making it okay to talk about workplace mental health and wellness and organizations if employers are struggling. We talked about the importance of investing in training managers. So, managers, I think more so than H.R. professionals, are the folks that see folks every day. And so, training managers not to be psychologists or psychiatrists or social workers but to train managers to understand the signs when employees are struggling so that they can head off issues at the earliest stage possible.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:17:38] But I think that leaders and managers should embrace, really, four qualities, I think. They include awareness. We talked a little bit about this at the summit. They include awareness, vulnerability, empathy. We talk a lot about empathy and humility here at SHRM, and compassion. I think that those are really critical qualities for business leaders in order to care for people who are in crisis and to really set the stage for business recovery as we’re headed in that direction.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:18:07] And, I think managers can start that by creating a space to get a better awareness of what’s going on in and around them. I think managers can be, should be bold in exhibiting vulnerability and lowering their own guard, and confront what’s unfolding, and understanding and acknowledging that employees are indeed struggling. And, they should be demonstrating empathy to really better tap into the emotions that others are feeling.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:18:37] So, it’s tools and resources and training, but it’s also affecting change within your culture, making it okay and having leaders and managers really practice what they’ve been preaching, if you will.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:18:49] Yeah, absolutely. And, looking at employees and, you know, this kind of thinking around the next generation of employees and their expectations of employers, you know, we see a lot in just different areas that employees are expecting more from their employer in the types of support and mental health options that they have and kind of having that mixture of multichannel approaches. What are some of your thoughts around the changes that you’re seeing with generations coming into the workforce versus previous generations?

Wendi Safstrom: [00:19:25] One of the advantages that we have at the foundation in working with SHRM as the broader enterprise is tapping into this tremendous expertise we have in our very own research division within SHRM, and they have uncovered some really interesting data that kind of goes along the lines that you would anticipate. But it really does provide that qualitative, excuse me, quantitative evidence so that we can plan more effectively. So, that research does find, right, the younger generations or younger workers, I should say, do expect more out of their employers and that includes that in the area of workplace mental health and wellness. It’s one thing to have health benefits that relate to physical health, but mental health is incredibly important as well.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:20:09] And, the research that we’ve gotten from SHRM shows that Americans who are older millennials, perhaps 35% of them, are more likely to indicate that they feel comfortable discussing their mental health at work as compared to baby boomers or traditionalists at 21% percent. Working Americans who are Gen Z or younger millennials or 30% are more likely to indicate that since the start of COVID, they feel more comfortable talking about their mental health at work than before the pandemic. But you compare that to Gen X, myself, or even baby boomers and traditionalists that hovers around 15% to 8%. So, that’s a big gap in terms of wanting to access expecting benefits when it comes to choosing an employer because employees are in a position now to choose their employer as much as employers are in a position to opt to hire employees. And, that is just another layer of why it’s so important that you can manage a multigenerational workforce because of the attitudes and the perceptions in their approaches, even amongst the different generations that exist in the workforce.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:21:23] Yeah. So interesting, you know. And, speaking of research, so, you know, also from your research, the work the foundation has done, you’ve identified benefits to employers when they’re investing in workplace mental health and wellness. Can you talk to some of those benefits that, you know, trickle down from putting focus on this?

Wendi Safstrom: [00:21:42] Yeah, and I touched on some of that, but it’s kind of lends itself to that business case again, right? The cost of doing nothing as opposed to making the investments in mental health strategies in affecting and changing our culture are much higher if you’re doing nothing. So, some of the benefits employers can expect by investing in those strategies are really, like I said, in lockstep with the business case and it helps increase retention, helps improve recruitment, which all comes at a cost to the organization. And, as I mentioned, it lowers absenteeism and medical costs and reduces employer-related risks and other potential liabilities. Those all factor into the cost of doing business when it comes to employees or labor.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:22:28] It’s great news for businesses, but I think that focusing on the business benefits. Yes, there is a business case for investments in these strategies and paying attention to the issues at hand, but the point is that it’s also the right thing to do. Your employees, they’re struggling. They said that they’re struggling, they’re suffering. And, the events of the past two years have left a lot of people traumatized, fearful, angry. Some of them are grieving.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:22:59] And, SHRM’s research says that a recent study of American workers shows 76% of those people think companies should do more to support the mental health of their workforce. So, all of those points to cost savings, yes, from a business case perspective, but also lend themselves to taking good care of an organization’s most valuable resource, which are its employees.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:23:25] Absolutely. Wow, staggering. The 76% are looking for them to do more.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:23:29] Exactly.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:23:30] Yeah. So, you know, and obviously like on the flip side of that, in terms of the impact to the organization when they aren’t doing more, we can say, you know, there’s more turnover, but there’s other impact and factors that come into play when they’re not doing more. Can you speak a little bit to that in terms of the impact to the organization when they are like status quo, everything’s fine here. What –

Wendi Safstrom: [00:23:57] Nothing to see. Moving right along…

Jamie Gassmann: [00:23:59] Nothing to see. Let’s just keep going. What are some of the impacts from a negative perspective that they could be experiencing?

Wendi Safstrom: [00:24:05] As you say, it’s the exact opposite, increased productivity versus the loss in productivity. An increase in medical costs, an increase in retention rates. If they’re not investing, those are the things that they will see. And, I do think because of the shift in mindset on the next generation of folks who are entering the workforce, as baby boomers begin to retire and Gen X and millennials kind of move along their professional careers, people are expecting and anticipating to receive that kind of support. They’re wanting to work in cultures that prioritize workplace mental health and wellness. And, I think employers will have an increasingly difficult time, not only retaining employees but recruiting them, because employees are considering not only their salary, right, but it’s a total comp package and that includes benefits, and they’re looking for benefits linked to good physical health and increasingly important, as all the data shows, benefits linked to supporting good mental health. So, if we don’t do anything, I think it’s going to be more difficult to both hire and retain top talent.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:25:13] Yeah. And, I think too that trickles down to hiring or not hiring but obtaining, you know, implementing new clients and retaining clients because that customer experience starts to be degraded when you’ve got employees who are not happy and satisfied as well.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:25:28] Or leaving or getting sick. It gets to the point where they can’t cope and that’s when the lost productivity to your point comes into play. That’s when lost days in terms of work comes into play. So, absolutely.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:25:41] Yeah, interesting. And, obviously looking at turnover this last year, we’ve been experiencing what they’re calling the great resignation where employees are voluntarily leaving jobs. And, I’ve even seen in some stats where they’re leaving and not having another job lined up. They’re just deciding I’m done. You think there’s a correlation between the great resignation and mental health within employees.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:26:07] Yeah. And, I think a lot of factors are contributing to that great resignation. I think to your point, people are leaving jobs without plans for another because they feel that this is a moment for them to make a personal professional change, right? And, there’s not necessarily anything we can do directly about that. But that is just a factor, including, as you mentioned, better compensation.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:26:31] We’re seeing astronomical salaries in some instances for people to leave an organization and go work for another organization doing similar and often even dissimilar but related work. People are leaving in anticipation of better work-life balance, maybe better benefits, perhaps people see opportunities for career advancement in different organization. And, I think that the remote work, there are pluses and minuses, right, to remote work versus in an office. And, I think organizations have to decide what kind of culture they want to be. I think people are making assumptions that remote work is better than in-office culture, or in-office companies require folks to work in office, and so they may be looking for organizations specifically to go work for that offer those kinds of opportunities.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:27:20] And, the research again shows that workers will opt to look for another job if they don’t feel they have that mental health support in addition to the physical health in the workplace and, 53%, excuse me, my researchers would correct me. Fifty-three percent of working Americans have said they’re likely or very likely to leave their current job to resign if they were offered a new job with significantly better mental health benefits and 47% of converse are unlikely or very unlikely to leave for better mental health benefits, but that’s going to be on the rise and, again, gives organizations a competitive edge when it comes to talent if they’re investing in these types of solutions.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:28:05] Interesting. So definitely something that needs to be not just status quos sweep under the rug but focused on as an organization because the impact, if you’re not feeling it right now, it’s eventually going to come.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:28:16] It’ll catch up. Yeah, absolutely.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:28:18] Interesting. We’re going to take a moment to hear from our show sponsor. Workplace MVP is sponsored by R3 Continuum. R3 Continuum is a global leader in providing expert, reliable, responsive, and tailored behavioral health disruption and violent solutions to promote workplace wellbeing and performance in the face of an ever-changing and often unpredictable world. Learn more about how R3 Continuum can tailor a solution for your organization’s unique challenges by visiting r3c.com today.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:28:52] Now, diving in a little bit into the foundation itself, so SHRM Foundation is offering a new Workplace Mental Health Ally Certificate. Can you tell us more about that certificate and what, you know, individuals need to do in order to achieve that?

Wendi Safstrom: [00:29:07] Sure. We actually launched – our President and CEO, John C. Taylor, Jr., announced the launch of our new Workplace Mental Health Certificate at our annual conference that I mentioned that took place in August to September. We kind of moved it from June to later in the year. And, when he announced the fact that we had a solution on-hand at SHRM Foundation, you could hear an audible gasp from the audience, which really surprised me, but gave me reason for hope, because people, that’s just an indicator, anecdotal indicator of how important this kind of training and access to this kind of training is to those H.R. folks.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:29:47] The certificate itself was developed in partnership with an organization called Psych Hub, which is, really, as they define themselves, and I would tend to agree, the world’s most comprehensive multimedia platform for mental health education. And, again, we worked with SHRM, some of the instructional designers at Psych Hub, and the foundation to really create and craft this training specifically for H.R. professionals and people managers.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:30:15] It’s an online learning program that is comprised of a series of eight multimedia courses. They cover things like mental health, common mental health conditions, issues linked to substance abuse and suicide, safety planning, diversity bias and equity and its links to mental health and the impact on one’s mental health, and, I think, most importantly, communication skills. And, after the H.R. folks complete all eight hours, the intent is that they have more knowledge and skills to really develop that empathy and support for the mental health and wellness of employees and their colleagues and themselves really in the workplace.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:30:59] And, they get a certificate at the end, another addition to your professional portfolio. The cost is $99 per user and actually a portion of that cost is donated back to the foundation, which allows us to continue doing the work we do. And, again, all of this is on our website or www workplacementalheath@shrm.org and I encourage you to check it out.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:31:25] Awesome. And, you also are offering awards to workplaces.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:31:29] Yes.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:31:29] And, I’m going to – hopefully I say this word name correctly. It’s the Tharseo award there.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:31:35] Tharseo. Trust me [inaudible]

Jamie Gassmann: [00:31:36] Tharseo. Okay. Close. And, I should have asked you beforehand how to pronounce that.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:31:42] No, no, that’s okay. Trust me.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:31:43] And, you’re recognizing leaders who are boldly changing their workplace. So, some of the things we’ve talked about already on the show today about, you know, it really does take change management. You know, now you offer this award for those workplaces who, you know, are doing that. And so, talk to me a little bit about some of the recipients you’ve had, some of the work, and maybe some of the case examples of how they achieved that award.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:32:08] Sure. We were busy last Monday. We had this. We had our workplace mental health and wellness summit from 7:00 in the morning until about 3:30. And then, we continued into our Tharseo Awards and that’s what you just described here. We recognize a CEO, a CHRO, and an individual who is involved in policy related to all things work.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:32:32] At this awards program we had, Arianna Huffington had a sit-on-down dialogue with Johnny C. Taylor Jr. I’m talking about the importance of wellness. So, we continued the thread of the discussion that we had at the summit into the actual awards program itself. And, I think you’ll find this interesting. Tharseo is really derived from the Greek word, meaning courageous, confident, and bold. And, the awards themselves were inspired by and made possible by contribution from Ram Charan, who in the H.R. space he is certainly a legendary businessman. He’s an author and speaker.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:33:09] And, we identified the recipients through the awards through quite an extensive process. You cannot nominate yourself. We had an independent group of jurors who really evaluated each of the candidates, and they were evaluated on qualitative and quantitative measures. And, the criteria we were looking for was looking for actions and attitudes, and implementation linked to innovation and overall impact on the company and the global workforce and how the two really need to work together. So, the Policy Transformer of the Year was Bobby Scott from Virginia, US congressman from Virginia. And, our Ram Charam Human Resource Innovation Award was Gloria Chen. She is the Chief People Officer and Executive Vice President and Employee Experience at Adobe. She has a really interesting background. Prior to becoming and assuming the CHRO, for lack of a better word kind of catch-all phrase, in Adobe, she spent 20 years in leading strategy at Adobe. So, she was part of crafting that culture as she was in charge of strategy and she’s made that transition to H.R. and she’s seeing where all of those pieces fit together. So, neat background. I encourage you to check out our website and see her bio.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:34:24] And then, our CEO of the Year was Ajay Banga, excuse me. He’s the Executive Chairman and immediate former CEO of MasterCard, and he’s an amazing, amazing man. He does work all over the world. He truly puts H.R. and the function, the profession, right up there with that of the CFO, the CMO, and the C-suite, understanding the connectivity between working with people and doing good business as it relates to people and employees equates to successful businesses and to businesses being successful in terms of a financial return.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:35:02] So, all three of them were recognized. Congressman Scott was called away to Washington, but we had a great opportunity to engage with Ajay and Gloria at the Awards themselves.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:35:13] Wonderful. And, what a great honor to be recognized for making that change within your work, your organization, but also being able to speak to the benefits that they’ve seen from that change. That’s amazing.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:35:26] Yeah.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:35:26] So, looking at leaders and those H.R. leaders or C-suite leaders or other business leaders that might be listening to this episode, what advice would you give to them for what they should be focused on when it comes to mental health in the workplace?

Wendi Safstrom: [00:35:42] Just underpinning of that, it can no longer be ignored. That’s admiring the problem. We know it’s an issue and it lends itself to a financial success, continued financial success, and that it really starts from the top. It’s got to be a commitment from the CEO. I hate the phrase trickle down, but truly it’s got to permeate throughout the organization.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:36:01] We know that mental health issues in the workplace, it’s not a new thing. I mean, we were dealing with and managing through mental health and mental illness prior to COVID, the pandemic, and the issues linked to social justice and other kinds of unrest. But it’s really magnified the challenges that employers are facing. And, now so more than perhaps ever before, mental ill, not necessarily mental illness, which is diagnosed and treated like things like schizophrenia or being bipolar, but things like suicide, depression are really, if not, being experienced by the employees by themselves, but people within their sphere of care.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:36:44] So, I just would suggest they create a supportive culture that includes empathy, as I mentioned before, and really arming not only your H.R. professionals but those first-line supervisors and managers first with the tools and the tools to recognize and communicate when they see issues and provide support to their employees. That’s going to be vital to really building these better workplaces, and we’re going to continue to build on our partnerships. The 33 speakers we had at our summit, we access them all through partnerships and talking to people smarter than us. In this particular space, we bring the voice of the employer together, but we’re going to continue to build on those partnerships to shape further opportunities so that leaders and employers will be ready hopefully and able to provide this culture of support.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:37:35] Wonderful. And, looking at the foundation itself, you know, what are some of the accomplishments that the foundation has received with focusing on mental health and wellness in the workplace?

Wendi Safstrom: [00:37:46] Yeah. So, we really launched an initiative. We realized that workplace mental health and wellness was going to become, would be exacerbated in 2020. And, yes, there’s return-to-work conversation and there are H.R. folks dealing with furloughs and layoffs. But we really felt strongly, back in April really of last year, that workplace mental health and wellness was going to be a challenge.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:38:10] And so, what we launched was this initiative and that’s been really carefully designed to accelerate the movement, not only to provide training and create cultures that are conducive to good mental health and workplaces but to really eliminate the stigma, right, of mental health in the workplace and what it means and to help individuals foster that culture where mental health can be discussed openly and organizations can build a more complete approach to employee wellness. So, we’re doing three things and we’re working. These are continued things in motion if you will. One of them certainly being the summit that we just had last Monday. We’ll be acting on the outcomes from that summit and continuing the conversation with another follow-up summit into 2022.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:38:58] We’ve developed a platform for thought leadership or research that really supports mental health and wellness in the workplace so that we can create that portfolio of resources that are things like the Mental Health Ally Certificate and other evidence-based programming, including additional training modules and educational resources, so we can continue to curate and build on the resources that we’ve already established in our mental health and wellness hub.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:39:24] So, the summit was a great moment for us to really convene subject matter experts. The worst thing I think you can do is attend a great meeting where there’s phenomenal dialogue. Leave the meeting, everybody goes back to their places of work and nothing gets done. And so, I think what I’m most proud of at the foundation to date with regard to this topic is the execution of that summit and our commitment to making things happen after the summit itself.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:39:50] Wonderful, and it sounds like a lot of great resources, great information, and great work that you’re doing overall. And, looking at that, you know, with our listeners, if they wanted to get more information on how they can take advantage of the information and tools and resources from the foundation or from SHRM overall, or if they just want to get a hold of you to get, you know, to get insights or information from you, how would they be able to do that?

Wendi Safstrom: [00:40:19] A couple of different ways. You can go to the shrmfoundation.org website and that you’ll find information about each of those pillars of work that I described at the very beginning of our conversation. If you’re interested in most specifically about our workplace mental health and wellness, you can go to workplacementalhealth, all kind of one word, .shrm.org, and certainly staff. We’ve got a team on the foundation, I think seven of us including me, and feel free to reach out to any of the team that’s listed on our website. If they’re not managing workplace mental health and wellness, the individual you reach out to, perhaps directly we’ll find the people to help you get to where it is you need to go. And, again, really appreciate the opportunity to be here with you today.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:41:04] Well, thank you. It’s was a privilege to be able to have the opportunity to connect with you, Wendi, and to celebrate you and the great work that you’re doing with the foundation, but also to celebrate the great work the foundation is doing as well. So, really appreciate you being a part of our show.

Wendi Safstrom: [00:41:21] Thank you.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:41:22] Yeah. And, we also want to thank our show sponsor, R3 Continuum, for supporting the Workplace MVP podcast and, to our listeners, thank you for tuning in. If you’ve not already done so, make sure to subscribe so you get our most recent episodes and other resources. You can also follow our show on LinkedIn, Facebook, and Twitter at Workplace MVP. If you are a Workplace MVP or know someone who is, share with us. We’d like to have them on the show. Email us at info@workplace-mvp.com. Thank you all for joining us and have a great rest of your day.

 

 

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Choosing Resources to Support Employee Behavioral Health, with Dr. Thomas Young, nView, Robyn Hussa Farrell, Sharpen, and Dr. George Vergolias, R3 Continuum

August 12, 2021 by John Ray

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Workplace MVP:  Choosing Resources to Support Employee Behavioral Health, with Dr. Thomas Young, nView, Robyn Hussa Farrell, Sharpen, and Dr. George Vergolias, R3 Continuum

With all the newly developed approaches, resources, and tools that employers can access to support employee behavioral health, how does one decide on which to use? It’s a high stakes question which many employers are struggling to solve. Host Jamie Gassmann explores answers with three outstanding professionals:  Dr. Thomas Young of nView, Robyn Hussa Farrell with Sharpen Minds, and Dr. George Vergolias, R3 Continuum. Workplace MVP is underwritten and presented by R3 Continuum and produced by the Minneapolis-St.Paul Studio of Business RadioX®.

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nView is a team of doctors, scientists, authors, technologists, parents, families, survivors – passionately focused on mental illness and how it’s perceived, assessed, diagnosed, and treated.  They are activists, advocates, business leaders, and disruptors who are determined to alter a status quo that is failing by any statistical measure.

They are realists who know change is difficult, and also dreamers who understand change is necessary.  They categorically refuse to go quietly into that good night, and they are hopeful for meaningful dialogue and change. They are committed to doing better, being better, driving big changes in the perceptions of and treatments for mental health.

Cited in thousands of FDA-approved studies and clinical trials, nView empowers healthcare professionals, educators and researchers with software solutions that allow them to more accurately and efficiently identify, diagnose, and monitor these individuals who need behavioral health assistance.

They uniquely do this through evidence-based solutions that have been referenced or validated in more than 17,000 studies and used by physicians all over the globe for the past 25+ years.

Thomas R. Young, MD is a board certified family physician with more than 35 years of medical experience. He is recognized as an innovator and thought leader in the fields of Consumer Directed Health Care and Population Healthcare Management.

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Dr. Thomas Young, Chief Medical Officer & Founder, nView

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Dr. Thomas Young, Founder and CMO, nView

Dr. Young served for six years as the Medical Director of Idaho Medicaid and has remained active in the formation of medical and mental health policy for the state of Idaho. Dr. Young was also Chief Clinical / Medical Officer of Idaho Medicare QIO Qualis Health.

Previously, Dr. Young served as Executive Vice President and Chief Medical Officer at Connextions Health, a Florida-based healthcare technology company that was acquired by Optum Health, a division of United HealthGroup.

Dr. Young also served as President of Behavioral Imaging Solutions, a technology firm recognized for its application of video imaging for the treatment of children with autism. Most recently, he served as Chief Operating Officer at US Preventive Medicine, a health technology leader in Population Health Management.

He is also a successful entrepreneur. His businesses ventures include Diversified Franchises, LLC which owns a chain of specialty restaurants, a home health business, and Elite Sports Society, a successful sports marketing business where he serves as the business development officer.

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Robyn Hussa Farrell, MFA, E-RYT, Founder and CEO, Sharpen

Robyn Hussa Farrell, MFA, E-RYT, Founder and CEO, Sharpen

Robyn Hussa Farrell, MFA, E-RYT, Founder and Chief Executive Officer for Sharpen, extends knowledge in building large-scale initiatives to listen closely to the stakeholders, individuals with lived experience and clinicians to ensure all voices have been incorporated into prevention of mental illness and substance use disorders. For nearly two decades, Robyn has been building collaborative relationships between state agencies, educational systems, public health, and researchers across the U.S. to increase connectedness and primary prevention for communities.

Hussa’s tiered model for teaching mental health, population health, and prevention in schools has been published in peer-reviewed medical journals. She has built mindfulness-based stress reduction initiatives that incorporate trauma-informed Resilient Schools frameworks in the state of South Carolina. Robyn served as an advisory committee member for Way to Wellville/Rethink Health Community Engagement and Listening Campaign and served as SC Youth Suicide Prevention Spartanburg County coordinator through the SC Department of Mental Health Office of Suicide Prevention. She founded four companies, first an award-winning NYC theatre company, Transport Group, which earned the prestigious Drama Desk award its first 7 years of operation and celebrates its 20th anniversary.  Robyn and her husband Tim met as award-winning artists in NYC almost 30 years ago and have directed over 3,000 films, live events and educational programs through Sharpen and their production company, White Elephant Enterprises.

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Healthy communities are made up of healthy individuals. Sharpen provides a cost-effective and flexible platform that: Provides easy access to research-based, standards-aligned, and award-winning content for mental wellness, enhances, extends, and expands the reach of therapists or counselors. connects and coordinates local and regional community resources, provides data to improve resource utilization, and builds individual, family, and community capacity, competence, and confidence to navigate successfully in these uncertain times and in the future.

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– 15 years research
– Suicide prevention focus
– Trauma-informed
– Self-guided CBT available 24 hours a day
– Evidence-based
– Highly customizable
– 200+ experts in 450 modules

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Dr. George Vergolias, Vice President and Medical Director, R3 Continuum

Dr. George Vergolias, Medical Director, R3 Continuum

George Vergolias, PsyD, LP is a forensic psychologist and threat management expert serving as Vice President and Medical Director for the R3 Continuum. As part of his role of Vice President and Medical Director of R3 Continuum, he leads their Threat of violence and workplace violence programs. Dr. Vergolias is also the founder and President of TelePsych Supports, a tele-mental health company providing involuntary commitment and crisis risk evaluations for hospitals and emergency departments. He has over 20 years of forensic experience with expertise in the following areas: violence risk and threat management, psychological dynamics of stalking, sexual offending, emotional trauma, civil and involuntary commitment, suicide and self-harm, occupational disability, law enforcement consultation, expert witness testimony, and tele-mental health. Dr. Vergolias has directly assessed or managed over one thousand cases related to elevated risk for violence or self-harm, sexual assault, stalking, and communicated threats. He has consulted with regional, state, and federal law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, Secret Service, and Bureau of Prisons. He has worked for and consulted with Fortune 500 companies, major insurance carriers, government agencies, and large healthcare systems on issues related to work absence management, workplace violence, medical necessity reviews, and expert witness consultation.

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R3 Continuum

R3 Continuum is a global leader in workplace behavioral health and security solutions. R3c helps ensure the psychological and physical safety of organizations and their people in today’s ever-changing and often unpredictable world. Through their continuum of tailored solutions, including evaluations, crisis response, executive optimization, protective services, and more, they help organizations maintain and cultivate a workplace of wellbeing so that their people can thrive. Learn more about R3c at www.r3c.com.

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Every day, around the world, organizations of all sizes face disruptive events and situations. Within those workplaces are everyday heroes in human resources, risk management, security, business continuity, and the C-suite. They don’t call themselves heroes though. On the contrary, they simply show up every day, laboring for the well-being of employees in their care, readying the workplace for and planning responses to disruption. This show, Workplace MVP, confers on these heroes the designation they deserve, Workplace MVP (Most Valuable Professionals), and gives them the forum to tell their story. As you hear their experiences, you will learn first-hand, real life approaches to readying the workplace, responses to crisis situations, and overcoming challenges of disruption. Visit our show archive here.

Workplace MVP Host Jamie Gassmann

In addition to serving as the host to the Workplace MVP podcast, Jamie Gassmann is the Director of Marketing at R3 Continuum (R3c). Collectively, she has more than fourteen years of marketing experience. Across her tenure, she has experience working in and with various industries including banking, real estate, retail, crisis management, insurance, business continuity, and more. She holds a Bachelor of Science Degree in Mass Communications with special interest in Advertising and Public Relations and a Master of Business Administration from Paseka School of Business, Minnesota State University.

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Intro: [00:00:04] Broadcasting from the Business RadioX Studios, it’s time for Workplace MVP. Workplace MVP is brought to you by R3 Continuum, a global leader in workplace behavioral health and security solutions. Now, here’s your host, Jamie Gassmann.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:00:24] Hi, everyone. Your host, Jamie Gassmann here, and welcome to this episode of Workplace MVP. Employee behavioral health has been a growing focus for employers over the years. And looking at the last year-and-a-half with the global pandemic, this focus has become even clearer and the need to take action even more prominent. For years, employers have leaned on the support and resources made available through more traditional methods. Now, along with the increasing focus, comes a new set of approaches, resources, and tools that employers can leverage in expanding the support they offer to their employees.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:01:00] Knowing which to choose in offering additional support to employees can be overwhelming. Do I go with the new app? Do I go with the new service, resource? And the list goes on. How can one choose the most effective approach in offering support services for their employees?

Jamie Gassmann: [00:01:17] Well, today, to help shed some light on how employers can approach making a decision on choosing the most appropriate support tools and resources for their employee’s behavioral health are three amazing MVPs: Dr. Tom Young, Chief Medical Officer and Founder of nView; Robyn Hussa Farrell, CEO and Cofounder of SharpenMinds; and Dr. George Vergolias, Medical Director for R3 Continuum. Welcome, everyone, to the show. So, our first workplace MVP is Dr. Tom Young, Chief Medical Officer and Founder of nView. Welcome, Dr. Tom Young.

Tom Young: [00:01:55] Good morning. Glad to be here.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:01:58] So, let’s start off with you telling us a little bit about yourself and your company, nView.

Tom Young: [00:02:04] Sure. Thank you, Jamie. My background is in family medicine. I started out in family medicine many years ago. And have evolved my practice life over the years to behavioral health. The last 20 years, I’ve been in the behavioral health space seeing the need for improved tools and improved methodologies, particularly for primary care doctors. I practiced everywhere, from small rural towns where I was the only doctor for a thousand square miles, to city-based areas, and seeing the need.

Tom Young: [00:02:43] And so, that’s kind of how nView began to evolve, back in early 2016, running across some tools that were out there, but finding a better way to get those in the marketplace, to get those to primary care doctors. But, basically, to help and begin to help in the battle, if you will, that we have in this country and have had for years around mental health issues.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:03:12] So, your company, nView, has won several awards. Talk to me about how you’ve won those awards. What were some of them focused on?

Tom Young: [00:03:21] Yes, we have, and we’ve been very proud of that. We started out our sort of journey, if you will, in the mental health space, in the pure research space. Our tools have been used around the world over the past 25 plus years, particularly in pharmaceutical research trials, large clinical trials, multinational clinical trials. Our tools have become available in about 160 languages. So, from that pure research base, I started looking for more digitally acceptable ways to bring them into the common space, if you will, of health care. So, some of the awards have been just sort of about creativity and changing something that’s very staid and tried and true in the research space, and making it a little bit more usable in the digital health space for providers. Trying to take some of those things and then gradually move them into partnerships with other groups to be able to make them more patient friendly, if you will, more engaging.

Tom Young: [00:04:27] I think one of the keys for us in getting there is really finding a space in the world of behavioral health as it’s evolved to being the key to doing, what I call, opening the door. We’ve become the way you put your hand on the doorknob if you’re a patient, the way to open up something to begin to get some information, whether that’s information about children in your family. So, that’s some of the things that we’ve evolved to and that’s where some of the awards have come from is kind of fun ways to start to look at new ways to do things.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:05:05] And part of that is some of the screening and the assessment tools, you’ve mentioned them already, that your organization offers. Can you share with us a little bit information around what those assessment tools are that you have available and how are they different than other tools that might be out there?

Tom Young: [00:05:23] That’s a great question. Really, I think one of the things about our tools is the ease of use of most of them and the fact that they differ significantly. The big difference is, most screening tools that people are used to, both providers and patients, are tools that really screen for a specific set of symptoms. I’ll give you a tool that helps screen for depression. I’ll give you another tool that helps you screen if you’ve got anxiety. So, the trick is, if you’re the patient, all you have to know is what’s wrong with you and then you can pick the right screening tool, which is sort of a perverse way of getting in the system, if you will.

Tom Young: [00:06:02] So, our tools focus on generally helping people discover what type of disorder they might be involved with. If it’s your child, it’s the ability for a parent to understand is their son or daughter depressed or are they anxious. Are they showing tendencies towards bipolar disease? Do they have ADHD? Some of the things that concern parents. Rather than saying, “Okay. Yes. You have some of the symptoms of depression. Thank you.” So, our tools are based in that world, if you will, of being more specific. Providing the average physician, pediatrician, nurse practitioner, the ability to understand, not just that the patient has symptoms of depression, but that they may well have major depressive disorder or they may well be bipolar, and thereby speeding the process for getting the right diagnosis to people.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:06:59] Great. And so, talking about it from the hospital sense and maybe a practitioner using these tools, how would an employer be able to leverage these assessment tools in helping the overall wellbeing of their organization or their employees?

Tom Young: [00:07:13] Well, I think that’s where the employer uses my term called opening the door. If I’m an employer, what I want to offer my employees is the ability to get information, to get highly validated, quality information, to be able to make their own decisions. If I’m a parent – again, as a good example and I’m concerned about my child – and my employer has offered me some tools that I can go to, I can begin to understand where I need to go. And by offering a simple assessment tool, the employer is saying to the employee in one way, “I care about your mental health. Let’s talk about your mental health. Let’s get this on the table.” We, together, the employer and employee, understand that there are problems.

Tom Young: [00:08:05] So, it’s that door opening kind of technology, if you will. It doesn’t have to make all the diagnoses and do all the treatment. It has to get you started on that mental health journey, if you will, or behavioral health improvement journey. So, that’s, I think, what employers can do.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:08:23] It almost empowers their employee to be a little bit more kind of informed about what they might be feeling. Would that be a correct kind of assessment?

Tom Young: [00:08:33] Absolutely. I think that’s the key element, is, giving them opportunity to become more informed. And one of the terms I use, particularly with families, is that, often, a family will choose a child to be sort of the point person in the family. And so, one of the things I used when I was working actively in the pediatric space was telling parents that, “Well, children are very often explorers into the wonderful world of psychotherapy for their families.”

Tom Young: [00:09:05] So, very often, the first person through the door that brings the family with them is a child. So, employers then are empowering a family. And so, from the employer base, if I can make the family stronger, I have a stronger employee, I have a more valuable employee, I have a more focused employee. So, providing tools not just to the employee themselves, but to the family, I think, are really key items.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:09:35] And looking at society and you’ve mentioned this a couple of times already in some of your responses, there’s a lot of focus on depression and anxiety. But why is it important to screen employees for mental health disorders beyond depression and anxiety?

Tom Young: [00:09:49] Well, there are many other disorders which mimic anxiety and which mimic depression. But a perfect example if somebody is obsessed with a simple tool and says, “Well, you have depression, so let’s treat you for depression.” That’s fine if that’s what you have. But if what you have is bipolar disease, or what you have is PTSD with depressive symptomatology, or if you have some psychotic features to your depression, simple treatment is going to sometimes make it worse. So, the real key is getting a more specific diagnostic nomenclature to the discussion.

Tom Young: [00:10:27] So, if somebody, for example, an adolescent, may appear quite depressed, but the underlying disorder may be an eating disorder. A child or an adult may look anxious, but the underlying disorder may be a specific phobia. An adult may look anxious, but may have underlying OCD, which a certain portion of the population has. So, getting the correct diagnostic understanding at the beginning shortens the process and improves the outcome for the individual patient, as well as for the employer who gets back to their employee in a much more rapid fashion, if you will.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:11:14] Great. And I know we have more questions to kind of focus around this, but for right now, if somebody wanted to connect with you, how would they go about doing that?

Tom Young: [00:11:23] Well, nView has a website, nview.com, N-V-I-E-W.com, you can reach me that way. Through there, we have a phone number, you can call me. When the phone rings, I answer. I’m happy to talk to people. So, either by email or off the website is the phone number, and certainly happy to touch base with people at any point in time.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:11:48] Great. And so, we’ll be bringing you back in for the group conversation later. For right now, I want to move to our next Workplace MVP, who’s returning to our show for a second time, Robyn Hussa Farrell, CEO and Cofounder of SharpenMinds. Welcome back to the show, Robyn.

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:12:06] Thank you so much, Jamie. It’s great to be here.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:12:09] So, give our audience a quick refresher on your career journey and kind of some background around how you moved through your career and what led to creating SharpenMinds.

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:12:20] Yeah. My career began really bringing a live health education program into schools. So, I was really looking at disordered eating prevention and the comorbidities thereof. And the avenue into reaching a lot of individuals and families was through a high quality arts intervention. So, I looped all the clinicians and the researchers to that program and connected over 4,000 kids appropriately to care. During that process, we surveyed over 80,000 participants over the course of four years. And we kind of came up with 160 most commonly asked questions. So, that also led us to kind of developing the 50 risk factors that we’re seeing in schools.

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:13:10] And so, it was through that, a lot of learning, a lot of listening campaigns, that my husband and I picked up a camera and we started seeking out the answers to those questions. Really finding the top scientists around the country. And to date, we have captured over 3,000 videos and over 500 evidence based psycho educational modules that we deploy through Sharpen, which is our turnkey service.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:13:40] Great. And when you were on our show earlier this year, we discussed how things, like stress and anxiety, have been increasingly affecting employees mental health. So, since then, have you seen any major changes in overall employee mental health?

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:13:53] Oh, yeah, for sure. So, in fact, we have been doing a lot of listening with CHRO executives and what we know, they’ve said many different things to us that they’re seeing this year. But in particular, one quote that kind of stands out in my mind they’ve said, “If you’re just sending employees to a 1-800 number, that’s like Russian Roulette.” So, they’ve been requesting a lot of nonclinical on demand services. They’ve been telling us that employees need to be able to talk to someone immediately, and in a safe and identified environment. They’re desperate to learn how to normalize the conversation around mental health and decrease that stigma, like Dr. Young was just talking about. So, I think there’s a lot of worry in some that’s happening at the employee level and at the employer level. And we’re excited, actually, that we have all this research and data to be able to support them.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:14:53] And from your perspective, you know, I know you’ve kind of mentioned that they’re starting to look for more options to support those employees, but have you seen changes in how employers are responding to the growing need for behavioral health support?

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:15:12] Yeah, Jamie. So, I think what they’re finding, there’s a couple of things going on, and Dr. Young addressed it earlier. Number one, that traditional EAP model, they’re noticing that really isn’t working. It’s not enough. We know we need a comprehensive solution. They need more supplemental customizable services that sort of help with that destigmatization piece and normalizing the conversation around mental health.

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:15:39] I think, also, from what I’ve heard in the listening campaigns that CHROs really feel like they’re starting at the ground level having to figure out the mental health space. And so, what I always say is, there are so many experts who’ve been navigating this space for decades and established those best practices, like Dr. Vergolias and Dr. Young and the companies that they have founded, that it’s really essential that, I think, those employers and employer groups really start connecting with those best practice frameworks.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:16:15] And so, there’s many different ways to support the behavioral health of employees, from traditional methods to more nontraditional or even alternative approaches. In your opinion, how would you say they compare for an employer looking at all of these different approaches? What are the comparatives?

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:16:34] Yeah. So, what we know is the EAP service, I don’t think it was really designed as an ongoing feature. It was really kind of a supplement to the traditional health insurance model. So, I don’t think it was intended to have utilization on this large of a scale, which, of course, we’ve seen increase with COVID. Fewer than five percent of employees actually engage with their EAP service. What we learned through our listening campaigns is, often, employees don’t even know it exists or they don’t know what it is so why would I ever call it. So, I think that H.R. executives are finding that they are having to be that mental health navigator in the moment, either of a crisis or, like Dr. Young was talking about, when a family member is in crisis. And so, we just need to enhance the system pretty much all together.

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:17:25] And so, from my perspective, what is needed is ongoing mental health literacy training, the social emotional skills development, and the ongoing sort of resiliency builders, they meet every employee, every employer, but also every family member where they are. And it kind of helps normalize that conversation around mental health.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:17:47] So, can an employer have one versus the other? Or is there true power in more of a comprehensive, multifaceted offering to employees?

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:17:59] Yeah. I’m biased, obviously, because I offer a comprehensive solution with partners like nView and R3C. And so, why I say that is specifically because there are experts, specialists, and researchers who’ve been finding these outcomes over the course of four decades. What we want to do is plug in to those experts and make it a seamless one stop sort of experience. And so, that is what’s required right now. It’s fabulous to have a mindfulness app. It’s fabulous to just take a screening. It’s fabulous to have evidence-based crisis intervention or postvention. What you want is the whole wheel of support so that at any step along the way, you can identify someone who’s struggling, get them connected to care, help them in between visits, and keep that wheel going.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:18:56] Like, a full continuum of supports. Wonderful. If someone wanted to connect with you, how can they go about doing that?

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:19:04] Yeah. We’re sharpenminds.com. You can learn more all about our services and reach out to us directly there.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:19:10] Great. And so, moving to our next Workplace MVP, it’s another returning MVP to our show, is our guest, Dr. George Vergolias, Medical Director for our show sponsor, R3 Continuum. Good to have you back to the show, George.

George Vergolias: [00:19:26] Great to be here, Jamie. My pleasure.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:19:28] So, let’s start off with you giving our listeners a refresher on your career journey.

George Vergolias: [00:19:34] Certainly. So, I actually began in engineering in college, believe it or not. And then, went into philosophy and then realized I wouldn’t have a job other than working as a teacher. That led me into psychology. And then, I kind of pursued the ranks of clinical psychology and just kind of fell into a postdoc in forensic psychology. I won’t bore you with all the details there, but really just fell in love with it and fell in love with it after my doctoral degree. That’s when I kind of found my love for forensic work is after I got a concentration in neuropsychology. So, there’s hope for people that are in their doctoral programs and still don’t know what they want to be when they grow up. So, that’s good news for folks out there.

George Vergolias: [00:20:16] Early career, I did a lot of court based testimony, diminished capacity, not guilty, by reason of insanity. I did a lot of threat assessments for child and family services, the Department of Corrections, and so on. And that kind of led into kind of a general expertise in violence and violence risk assessment. And then, along the way, this was around just a year or two after Columbine, so I’m dating myself here. And what happened around that time is, if you were in forensic psychology and ever dealt with violence risk at all, you suddenly were the expert on school violence because there really wasn’t an expertise back then. And you just had to learn it quickly and dive in because there wasn’t anyone to fill that gap.

George Vergolias: [00:21:00] I happened to be working at a juvenile detention center and we did see a lot of would be school threateners and a lot of would be school shooters come through the system over a number of years. And so, I developed a proficiency and a specialty in that. And then, naturally, what happened a few years later is, local corporations – I live in Raleigh, North Carolina. We have a big kind of East Coast technology hub at Research Triangle Park – began to reach out to me and say, “Hey, we’ve got a guy or a woman -” usually, overwhelmingly men, but occasionally a woman “- who’s making a threat. And we don’t know what to do. And someone said to call you.”

George Vergolias: [00:21:36] And that kind of led me into the corporate space of understanding workplace violence and the impact of workplace culture and management and other variables that contribute to both effective workplace violence as well as, what we tend to hear about more often, predatory or targeted workplace violence. And I’ve been in that space now for 17 plus years.

George Vergolias: [00:22:00] In addition to that, I’ve continued to maintain a private practice going on 19 years now, where I have a group of doctors that work exclusively in emergency departments. And we do crisis evaluations and involuntary commitment evaluations that we deal with people at their most vulnerable coming into the emergency departments. And we try to figure out, do they need to be in the hospital? Can they be safely diverted home or to community resources?

George Vergolias: [00:22:26] So, those kind of bookended kind of my career in a way that provided me a really sound clinical basis around, not only the threat space and behaviors of concern, but the flip side of that – and this is relevant to what Tom and Robyn are talking about – resilience. Because what we know is people that are resilient and have high levels of emotional intelligence and are functioning well are almost immune – I’m never going to say it fully, 100 percent. I never say that in my field – but they’re almost fully immune to going on a shooting spree. The Dalai Lama is not going to go on a shooting spree. Why? Because he’s managing his emotional relationship life in a way that that is not a viable solution to his problems, among many other, more prosocial, proactive, appropriate ways of managing.

George Vergolias: [00:23:19] So, that led me into also needing to understand the world of resilience and the world of more adaptive functioning as a buffer to violence risk. And then, I joined R3 about ten years ago. And in that time, we have expanded our Disrupted Event Management program. We’ve expanded our Fitness for Duty program. I developed a specialized Fitness for Duty evaluation called the Fitness for Duty with the Violence Screen, which identifies people that are struggling at work with hostility and anger management issues. And that has kind of brought me to today.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:23:54] Great. And so, from the work that R3 Continuum does, and you mentioned a few of the different service outlets that they provide, I mean, you obviously see all varieties of workplace impact from either a death of a coworker, workplace violence, pandemic stress. Based on the cases that you’ve seen and worked, what is the common impact on employees that you’re seeing from the challenges and stressors faced over the last year-and-a-half?

George Vergolias: [00:24:22] Yeah. It’s a great question, Jamie. There’s a lot of individual variables, to be sure. But we’re clearly seeing patterns. And the patterns are consistent with what the data is coming out of CDC, Department of Health, Johns Hopkins, among other places. Clearly, we’re seeing an uptick in anxiety. We know that during the pandemic, anxiety has been up fourfold. We also know depression, depressive symptoms, has been up roughly threefold.

George Vergolias: [00:24:47] We are seeing an uptick in suicidal ideation. But, interestingly, we’re not necessarily seeing an uptick in suicide attempts. That’s kind of an interesting dynamic that I still think, across the field, we’re unpacking a little bit and trying to understand that. Typically, a suicidal ideation goes up, attempts go up. So, it’s kind of an interesting variable that we’re seeing there.

George Vergolias: [00:25:06] Stress in general is also going up. All of that, I think, is expected given the nature of the pandemic, how disruptive it has been in all of our lives. But there’s been this kind of bimodal or opposite effect I’ve seen where people are simultaneously – well, it’s changing a bit now. But you go back a year ago, many people, many workers were simultaneously disconnected and reconnected at the same time.

George Vergolias: [00:25:36] The disconnection was all the ancillary, more superficial, but still very meaningful connections we had in our day-to-day life. Bumping into that person at Starbucks every morning. Going to your kid’s little league and talking with the other parents. Bumping into people at the grocery store that you would actually stop and talk to you or give a hug to. Coworkers in the office, stopping at the water cooler, having a lunch at the breakroom, going out to lunch.

George Vergolias: [00:26:04] All of those things came to a pretty abrupt stop in early 2020. And we lost that immediately. And I think for most people, including myself, who’s been doing this almost all my adult life, I grossly underestimated the positive impact those small connections make. I call those emotional strokes. Those small emotional strokes every day when they’re ripped away from us.

Intro: [00:26:28] At the same time, for many of us – not all of us – what it did is, it forced us to go very, very local. So, after a couple of months of struggling in the soup, in the thickness of it, what started happening – at least in my neighborhood, and I heard this about others – as people started having fire pits, and they started getting together in the driveways, and they started reconnecting with neighbors in a way that the manic lifestyle previous to the pandemic just didn’t allow us to do. And so, it was kind of this weird thing of disconnecting with something that’s very powerful. But also for many – not all of us – reconnecting.

George Vergolias: [00:27:06] What we have found at R3, both internally and externally, with many workers is perhaps one of the hardest hit groups, were those groups that were typically younger, unmarried, and living in apartments. They didn’t have the neighborhoods necessarily where they could go to someone’s driveway and bring lawn chairs and socially distance. They were literally just stuck in their apartment and they didn’t necessarily have that kind of engagement. So, we saw it across the age span, but we tended to see that really negatively impacting those younger groups, the 20s and young 30s, a little more intensively. But I would say those were some of the big trends that we saw in our work and even internally amongst our own employees.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:27:53] So, for an employer, when they’re looking at supporting their employee mental health, particularly since there is so many different individual variables that can impact it, what is one thing that you would say they need to make sure they’re considering that someone might be missing right now as they’re looking at different programs or ways to support their employees?

George Vergolias: [00:28:14] So, there’s a lot of talk, Robyn made a great point, about understanding and awareness. There’s a lot of talk about communication. And these are the ones that are kind of out there. The one I don’t hear as much that I would pick – if you’re going to force me to be on an island, Jamie, and pick one, which is a great question. It really makes me think – I would say this, model strength in vulnerability. Everybody this last year has fallen.

George Vergolias: [00:28:41] And, again, get off social media, because, again, what we tend to do with social media is reviewing other people’s highlight reels when we have our behind the scenes reel that we’re comparing our behind the scenes reel to their highlight reel.

George Vergolias: [00:28:52] But model strength and vulnerability, as a leader do that as well. It doesn’t mean we break down totally. It doesn’t mean we lose control. But it does two things. It gives our people – I’m going to use that more generally term here – permission to feel whatever they need to feel during this process. And as we go into the upswing of the Delta variant and how they’re talking about a possible Lambda variant down the road, this continues to be a valid thing. But it gives people the permission, if you will, the validation to say, “Yeah. You can stumble. You could fall down. That’s okay.” Because we’re all going to do that at different times.

George Vergolias: [00:29:31] But what it also does by modeling that you have done that as a leader and then you’ve gotten back up, it also models what resilience is about. Resilience is about never faltering. Resilience is about when you falter, you’re able to work through that, learn from it, and grow better from it.

George Vergolias: [00:29:48] I always think of the image of a lobster. I saw a talk years ago where a rabbi was talking about how does a lobster grow. And a lobster grows by constantly pushing against its shell until it literally breaks out of its shell. And then, it grows bigger and it forms a new shell. And then, it grows bigger and breaks out of that shell. When you look at resilience through the lifespan – by the way, breaking of the shell isn’t easy. It’s a tough process. It’s painful. But when we do that through the life span, we’re not always getting better on a linear trajectory. But over the aggregate, we’re constantly improving and getting stronger in terms of our sense of emotional functioning and resilience. I would say model that in a way that gives your employees a sense of hope and motivation.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:30:35] So, are there support tools, or resources, or approaches aside from showing that vulnerability that they can use to help support their employees as they’re showing that vulnerability? Maybe it’s, “I use this service too.” Can they promote it? What are some approaches that they can use that help their employees to get that support that they need?

George Vergolias: [00:31:00] Sure. And I’m going to start with something that’s going to sound tremendously self-serving, but I mean it authentically, and that is, you need to understand the problem. If you don’t understand what’s going on with your people, you’re going to be just throwing things at the wall and some might stick, but many won’t. So, you need to screen the problem and understand the nature of it. And that’s where Tom and his group with nView are instrumental in terms of the kinds of surveys, and questionnaires, and tools that they have available to help understand that.

George Vergolias: [00:31:30] From there, you also need resources that can help deepen awareness, educate people, and guide them in the right direction towards either whatever self-help structures they need. Or, in some cases, if they need guidance to more formal clinical services. And, again, that’s where Robyn and SharpenMinds comes in. So, I know that sounds very self-serving, but again, we wouldn’t be partnering with these groups if we didn’t have that kind of fully-round full support that we all provide together in a way that enhances all that we’re bringing to the table.

George Vergolias: [00:32:02] In addition, I would say you need clear communication strategies. So, people feel able to come forward with the concerns that they have, but also feel able to give feedback to leadership about what’s working and what isn’t. And then, we all need a sense of humility. And leaders, it’s so hard when you roll out a big program. It’s really hard a year later to look in the mirror and say, “That isn’t working.” r “Parts of it aren’t working.” And we need to reshape it so that it works. And I think that’s where that humility comes in to constantly reassess our tools and redesign what is working and what isn’t working.

George Vergolias: [00:32:40] What I love about, in particular both these groups, SharpenMinds and nView, is – you know the old saying, if all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail – both of these groups have a full toolbox of solutions that they bring to the table. I also think that – I think we’re going to get to this maybe later – leveraging apps in the right way can be very useful. I’ll leave that as a teaser because I think we might be touching on that later on.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:33:10] Awesome. And so, if somebody wanted to get in touch with you, how could they go about doing that?

George Vergolias: [00:33:15] The best way to reach me is if you go to our website, obviously, www.r3c -that’s the letter R-the number 3-the letter C.com, and you could just search under our profiles and about, George Vergolias, Medical Director. I’m quite easy to find. And both my number and my email are located in there.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:33:38] Perfect. So, now, we’re going to have a word from our sponsor. Workplace MVP is sponsored by R3 Continuum. R3 Continuum is a global leader in providing expert, reliable, responsive, and tailored behavioral health, crisis, and security solutions to promote workplace wellbeing and performance in the face of an ever changing and often unpredictable world. Learn more about how our R3 Continuum can tailor a solution for your organization’s unique challenges by visiting r3c.com today.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:34:10] So, now, we’re going to come to a group discussion and conversation. I have some questions here for our Workplace MVPs. The first one is, why should employers be concerned with the mental health of their employees today? And so, let’s start out with Dr. Young. From your perspective, why should employers be concerned?

Tom Young: [00:34:31] You need to understand your employees. You need to communicate with them. So, I think that’s the first thing. I think we just take the broader picture for just a moment. Healthy emotionally strong individuals also spend less money in the medical space. So, if you think about it from the employer’s standpoint, just a minute and step away from the behavioral health space and, say, talk about cost issues. If you’re self-employed, for example, you’re an employer who pays their own bills, healthy emotionally strong people don’t spend as much money on their health care. Their chronic diseases are not as bad, diabetes, hypertension, heart disease. So, from that standpoint, good mental health is associated with lower cost.

Tom Young: [00:35:23] And then, secondarily, we all know and I think it’s readily apparent, people who are resilient, as George and Robyn have talked about, as I often say to people, “Look, you know, there’s a choice between being happy and being right. Which one do you want?” So, those who choose happy often are more productive, they’re more creative. They’re less likely to be absent. They’re less likely to make mistakes. So, all of those things, I think, are reasons for employers to be involved in, and communicate with, and discuss, and make offerings into the wonderful world of wellbeing, if you will, on a mental health level.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:36:14] Robyn, do you want to add your thoughts around this conversation?

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:36:18] Sure. Of course, in addition to what Tom and George have shared, there’s a statistic that, I think as we all know, but the Kaiser Family Foundation found in particular 47 percent of women and 34 percent of men experienced increased anxiety or depression last year working remotely. So, as we’re looking at what could be, again, around the corner here in the pandemic, we want to just be really mindful of all of those resiliency builders that, both, George, Tom, and I have been kind of talking about. And know that the little steps that you take do matter.

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:37:00] And there’s been also an incredible impact on women in the workplace and in the workforce to be mindful of, in particular, what the sort of burden on women in the workspace has been like. We also know there’s just been a substantial increase. I know eating disorder treatment has increased almost double last year, the admissions. And we’re seeing that because of things like increased time on social media, lack of kind of that structured environment, irregular sleep schedules. So, all of these things speak to that loss in productivity that Tom was referencing. And it’s all a great reason to begin the conversation if you haven’t already.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:37:50] And, George, how about from your perspective?

George Vergolias: [00:37:54] Yeah. So, there’s two things I would highlight, and they’re not exactly related. I’m going to start by piggybacking off something that Robyn just said because I think it’s a great point. Related partly to the burden on women, but the impact of social media. And that is, as we re-enter the workforce, I think there’s going to be a tendency for leaders to be like, “All right, guys and women, we’re back.” And by the way, as a Chicago native, guys means all inclusive. “All right, guys, we’re back. Let’s make up ground. Everybody work, work, work, productive, productive, productive.” People need socialization. They need some water breaktime. They need that lunchbreak more than ever. They’ve been deprived of it for a-year-and-a-half plus.

George Vergolias: [00:38:38] And those emotional strokes are tremendously life affirming. We spend a third of our life at work, most of us that don’t work remotely. Even when we travel, a third of our life is spent with this cohort of peers. We’re going to need time to re-engage. So, keep that in mind as a leader.

George Vergolias: [00:38:57] So, another thing that I would highlight is, hostility is up. We have clearly seen an increase in incidents of mass attacks, which the FBI defines as four victims or more not including the assailant. What’s really interesting is, historically, for the past 30 years, those mass attacks have almost predominantly been targeted predatory violence, meaning non-emotional. An assailant would be attacking a group in a very cognitive, focused, predatory mindset. Most of the attacks we’ve seen throughout the pandemic, massive shootings, have been emotionally charged attacks, barbecues, parties, family get togethers where there’s an emotional dispute, neighbors, arguments at a grocery store over masks or whatever or vaccines or whatever. It’s a different dynamic than we’ve historically seen.

George Vergolias: [00:39:51] And what it clearly is telling us is, people are more and more on edge in general. We know this from depression and anxiety and stress levels. But they’re also on edge at a level where it’s boiling over more into emotional reactive anger and even violence. And so, I think companies have to be very mindful as they enter back that the role of workplace violence prevention and hostility management is going to be more important than ever. That’s an important thing to keep in mind.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:40:25] Great. And so, looking at mental health issues, the stigma, though, there’s been a lot of work to kind of break down the stigma of mental health, it’s still very real. So, when looking at an employer, what can be done, as Dr. Tom Young has mentioned, as open the door for employees to have a place to begin that journey easily? How can an employer create that comfortable environment where an employee knows what resources they have available to them and can feel comfortable to seek out those resources without that stigma being attached to it? And we’ll go ahead and start with you, Dr. Vergolias.

George Vergolias: [00:41:07] I heard something recently by a colleague that was quite brilliant. It was in response to the Olympics and it was in response to Simone Biles and Naomi Osaka pulling out of the games. And he said, “Wouldn’t it be interesting in a much better world if we were disappointed for them or with them versus in them for pulling out?” And that’s me kind of captured is, as we re-enter and if we want to destigmatize mental health – which I think is continually to be important – we have to change the dialogue from being disappointed in people and conveying messages both overt and covert, and understanding that we could still be disappointed for them.

George Vergolias: [00:41:48] When somebody that’s on a high career trajectory and skyrocketing in their career at a large firm suddenly has a mental health breakdown, and it kind of very well may derail that career trajectory, it’s not like they woke up one day and planned it and wrote out, “Dear Diary. I’m looking forward to my breakdown.” So, we could be disappointed for them and with them. And then, work on getting them the resources that are needed to help them get kind of back on track and reclaim their life. And I think just those subtle rewording kind of changes our orientation to the problem and it becomes less of a stigmatizing issue.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:42:24] How about you, Dr. Young?

Tom Young: [00:42:27] Well, interesting, I was saying the same thing George was, you know, how can we change the discussion, for example, around Simone and those folks. And so, I agree totally with George on that. I think the other thing is, I think, employers, leaders, and organizations need to be more humanized. I think one of the things that happens as we ascend to leadership, we tend to become a little bit less our own selves, our own humanness, if you will.

Tom Young: [00:42:59] And so, I think one of the things that is important is for leaders to understand and be able to voice their own personal struggles, not only with the pandemic, but to be able to own up to, if you will, their emotions, so that their employees understand, “Well, if he can talk about it or she can talk about it, then maybe I can talk about it. Then, maybe I can ask someone about it.” So, I think that process of self-humanization or re-humanizing, depending upon what the process has been, is critical at all stages of employee relationships. People need to understand that you have struggles, you’ve had problems.

Tom Young: [00:43:57] And I think, often, when employers can have those levels of discussions, when they can level the discussion playing field between the individuals in an organization, whether it’s a boss, an employee. But if everybody is on the same level emotional playing field, then good things happen.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:44:26] Robyn, do you have anything you want to add to that?

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:44:28] Yeah. I mean, I’m going to keep my talking points a little bit more examples of what I’ve seen deployed. Sharpen offers various components that are supportive to getting this conversation started. It’s kind of our specialty in terms of that pure engagement, that George is talking about, and the real focus on those human stories of not only the struggle piece, but the stories of strength. So, we know it’s extremely protective when we’re listening and hearing stories like Simone Biles and others who are coming out and talking about.

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:45:06] And it’s not just mental health disorders or substance use disorders. This is like life has been hard. We are talking real challenges. Like, how do I juggle all this? So, one of the things that I think has been really effective, we’ve seen a lot of employer groups and a lot of our clients leaning into kind of lunch and learns where, again, we have all of these video based stories that are resiliency focused. You can play those afterwards, sort of have a little dialogue, just literally leaning in and getting the conversation started right there in the workplace. People are very interested in that.

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:45:47] They’re also very interested, there’s really simple like poster campaigns, daily email, daily prompting that just, again, normalizes this conversation using content that is validated and has a strong evidence base. And then, through these CHRO groups, what we’ve heard – and I’ll tell you, it’s just so simple – they were like, wouldn’t it just be cool if we could have a place where different groups of employees and maybe the manager groups in a safe and identified way could just share with each other, either in text, maybe it’s just through another platform, conversations about, “Hey, how are you guys managing raising three kids and then getting to work on time?” Again, not necessarily about mental health disorders, but just life stress. So, those were some of the examples that we’ve heard, of course, especially in the last year.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:46:41] Great. So, looking at those various resources, apps is a big topic. So, there’s a lot of different consumer apps and business apps that are available to help people assess their own mental health and find a therapist to talk to, either online or in-person. So, how does what nView, Sharpen, and R3 Continuum offer differ from these other apps that are out in the space? And we’ll go ahead and start with you, Robyn, and get your perspective on that.

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:47:10] Yeah. So, aside from R3 and nView being, literally, the gold standard, so when you look under the hood of what’s there, the research validity, the number of clinically validated studies – I think Tom, nView, you guys are up to, what, 19,000 now? So, I mean, there’s nothing else like it. So, it’s truly the gold standard. And I think you want to know that when you are putting a mental health screening tool in front of an individual and also those best gold standard crisis response supports and intervention, that George has been discussing, I think, you want to make sure you’re obviously in the best care possible.

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:47:53] I think it’s the combination of the three with the high customization, the localization, so it’s really local when you’re talking about where do I go to get care, what kind of sliding scale, other supports are available for the family members that are involved. It’s that level of detail that I think, as a trio, we are laser focused on.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:48:17] Great. How about you, Dr. Tom Young?

Tom Young: [00:48:20] I agree with what Robyn said. I think it really is key. It’s hard for people, and always has been, to make decisions about quality in broad areas like health care. It is difficult. And I think the more straightforward and uncovered we can make that, we can make those statements with whatever we’re offering to people, I think that’s critical because people have a look into our world as much as others.

Tom Young: [00:48:54] And then, I think the other thing is the ability to respond to what they are asking. Here’s my product, respond to it. But that might not be what you’re asking and what your need is. So, helping people find the right spot, there’s sort of one I always use. There’s a old tribe of Apache Indians that used to live in the mountains of New Mexico. And their whole goal in life from a religious standpoint was to find the right spot. And that was the drive, that was the journey of life. And so, I think sometimes we need to help people find the right spot, even if it’s not our spot, it’s their spot.

Tom Young: [00:49:40] And so, I think having broad tools that are all quality allow people to have the right place to find themselves in that tool is the way to go. Not just, “You have to like my tool. You have to like what I’m saying. You have to believe what I’m saying.” But rather, “Here it is. Let us help you find your spot in this tool. Where does it fit for you?”

Jamie Gassmann: [00:50:04] Great. How about you, Dr. Vergolias?

George Vergolias: [00:50:07] Boy, you know, between Robyn and Dr. Young’s response, I don’t have a whole lot to add. Other than, I guess I’ll amplify that slightly by just saying, I remember one of the earliest things I learned in writing forensic reports. I had a mentor – it’s like my second mentor, actually. I wish my first told me this, it would have been better years earlier. But he said, “You know, the problem with your reports, George, is you’re writing for other psychologists. You’re not writing for your audience.” And at the time, my audience were lawyers and judges, and judges don’t think like psychologists.

George Vergolias: [00:50:37] And in this space – and this is what I love both what Dr. Young and Robyn are doing and our own app, R3 resiliency app, which is an app for employers and EAPs that give you a number of tools around stress management and so on – what I love about all of these is that they really are based on evidence-based approaches to these problems. That’s important. You can’t be making this stuff up. There needs to be an evidentiary base. But it’s written in a way that is very accessible. It’s written in a way that laypeople can understand the concepts and then apply them in a way that it quickly gets off psychobabble and gets on to what is the functional impact in your life. How is this going to help your life and help you help make your life better?

Jamie Gassmann: [00:51:24] Great. So, one last question for this group. You know, obviously, there is employers out there considering different resources, different tools. They’re making lots of decisions around how do they put that program together. If you could leave one advice or one thing that they should be considering or looking for when making these decisions for either the employees or supporting just the employment, the health, but also then expanding it to their families. From your experience, what would you advise employers to be thinking and doing as they’re making those important decisions for their employees? I’ll go ahead and start with you, George.

George Vergolias: [00:52:08] Again, these are good questions. It’s hard for me to pick one, but I will. You know, we all know the saying, hope floats, right? I love it. It’s a big saying that we’ve heard. It’s big in the south. But I like to say hope floats, but it don’t swim. Hope is great. And that elevates people. But they need tools. They need direction. And they need support to get from the middle of the river to the bank, if that’s the goal.

George Vergolias: [00:52:38] And related to that, I’ll just say that, one doesn’t drown by falling in the river. They drown by staying submerged in it. And so, if we keep these in mind as kind of our guiding mantra as leaders – I certainly try to, I don’t always succeed – I think we’re going to be in a really good place as we go forward. Because this next year – as we return, whatever that may mean for different organizations – as we return to work, it’s going to be different than what we’ve ever experienced. We’re not just going back to 2019. It’s not going to happen. So, we need to be thinking differently as we go forward.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:53:13] And how about you, Robyn?

Robyn Hussa Farrell: [00:53:15] Well, of course, I would agree with Dr. Vergolias and everything Dr. Young has conveyed thus far. I think I would encourage employers to have some self-compassion. This is big what you’re faced with, especially in the H.R. space. I’ve seen and I’ve heard directly the stress you guys are under. And so, just give yourself a little grace there and to know that there are really smart people who have got you and who can help you put this together. So, I would say don’t think you have to do this all on your own.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:54:01] How about you, Dr. Young?

Tom Young: [00:54:03] Well, I’m going to key on what George said about falling in the river and hope floats, being a guy from the south. I think, as an employer, what you have to understand is when your employee is in the river, what you need to throw them is what they need, which is a life vest, a lifebuoy, if you will. And not just any rock you pick up off the shore. And there’s an old Winnie the Pooh story about when Roo fell in the river. And everybody was standing on the bridge, so Eeyore decided that somebody had to do something. And what seemed like the most important thing at the time was he put his tail in the river so Roo would have something to grab on to.

Tom Young: [00:54:54] And I think there’s a certain truth to that, employers need to know that I’ve got to just be there to throw what I can that’s appropriate. And somebody may have had to tell me, “Here’s a lifebuoy.” But when they’re in that crisis, when they’re in that river, you have to do something. And, often, we need to just help employers understand what the most appropriate thing to do is at that moment. And the moments are always going to be different. They’re never going to be the same. No two people are the same. So, I think the real key for an employer is to be willing and open to themselves to ascertain the right thing to do at the moment and not be stuck in their own belief system.

Jamie Gassmann: [00:55:50] Great. Well, thank you all for letting us celebrate you and for sharing your expertise and advice with our listeners. We appreciate you and I’m sure your organizations and staff do as well. We also want to thank our show sponsor, R3 Continuum, for supporting the Workplace MVP podcast. And to our listeners, thank you for tuning in. If you have not already done so, make sure to subscribe so you get our most recent episodes and other resources. You can also follow our show on LinkedIn, Facebook, and Twitter at Workplace MVP. If you are a workplace MVP or know someone who is, we want to know. Email us at info@workplace-mvp.com. Thank you all for joining us and have a great rest of your day.

 

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