Intro: Broadcasting live from the Business RadioX studios in Woodstock, Georgia. This is fearless formula with Sharon Cline.

Sharon Cline: Welcome to Fearless Formula on Business RadioX, where we talk about the ups and downs of the business world and offer words of wisdom for business success. And I have a very special guest in the studio today. First of all, I have not done a show in like a month and I’ve been very busy and I’ve missed it, so it’s nice to be back in the studio. But to Logan Lewis, who is sort of like the male version of me, this is the way I look at Logan. Logan has his own show called Your Morning Drive. I’ve been on it and it is. It is just so fun to be on. Well, sort of fun. Uncomfortable and fun to be on the other side of an interview process. Um, Um, but I really appreciate having some time here with Logan, because whenever we are together, it’s very busy. There are a lot of people around usually, so now we get to do the thing we like best, which is just chit chat and ask some deep existential, esoteric questions and hope that they translate to some meaning out there in the world. Welcome, Logan Lewis.

Logan Lewis: Thank you. Thank you for having me back. It’s a pleasure. I love doing this with you, like you said. I mean, every time since we met initially, it feels like we never have the one on one time unless we’re in each other’s studio spaces, which stinks. And we we maybe, you know, I could do better at maybe reaching out and trying to, you know, get people together one on one because I feel like I thrive more on one on one.

Sharon Cline: Yeah. We have also a friend of ours, Zach Goodfellow, who is just an amazing human being.

Logan Lewis: Great.

Sharon Cline: Guy. And we always talk like we have the three of us in a chat and we’re like, let’s get together, okay? And then it just can’t do this date, can’t do that date. It is the tragedy of life right now. But it would be nice if we could all agree.

Logan Lewis: We we should. In fact, I’m going to text that chat as soon as we’re done, because you’ve reactivated my want for the three of us to get together and the need because I think, you know, all three of us. You know, maybe I’m biased because I’m one of the three, but I think we’re a pretty good group, a pretty creative group. And I think if we get together, something magic could happen.

Sharon Cline: So I agree, and we’re all in the same sort of field, just in different segments of that field. So yeah, it takes a village sometimes to get things going and together. And I really love working with people that I not only respect, but really admire their talent. So anytime I get an opportunity like that, I always feel like I’m really lucky. It’s like lightning in a bottle. Don’t not do it.

Logan Lewis: Sure, yeah, I agree. So what’s up? I mean, we’ve we wanted to catch up, but then we decided that, uh, you know, we were going to do.

Sharon Cline: The show.

Logan Lewis: The show.

Sharon Cline: And we’ve had to reschedule. I’ve had to reschedule it. My life is very interesting.

Logan Lewis: Well, mine too, Sharon.

Sharon Cline: Well, let’s talk about first of all, your studio is different.

Logan Lewis: Yeah, we just remodeled it. Um, you know, we had a similar look to kind of what you guys have got going on here. A big table, a couple mics, but, uh, luckily, the space similar to the innovation spot that you guys have here, um, came to me because I’m pretty much the only one that uses their studio at my space. It’s called fireworks, if anyone’s wondering. It’s in Marietta. It’s in Marietta? Yes, down the street from the square. And, um, they came to me and they said, hey, we’re going into 2025. We’re looking to make changes. We want to improve the space because we just kind of threw it together because we knew podcasting was a big thing, and we just wanted to have it so that people could use it. But we really want to invest in it and invest in you talking to me. And I gave them a list of things that are either in right now, like the big comfy chair look or, you know, having like the microphone stands off the ground and.

Sharon Cline: The cool lighting.

Logan Lewis: The cool lighting in the back. So they came to me and they texted me like two weeks later and they’re like, hey, by the way, it’s done. And I was like, whoa, whoa whoa whoa, what? And they’re like, yeah, we did it all. We we bought everything you sent us links for, and we just did it. And I was like.

Sharon Cline: Oh my goodness.

Logan Lewis: So yeah, now we have that whole set up.

Sharon Cline: But how do you like it?

Logan Lewis: I love it. It just feels more I don’t know it feels more. There are some challenges with it though, because I’m a big like I like to have the laptop, I have the RODECaster. And with there being chairs, there’s not really a comfortable way to have a laptop with you. Um, so I’ve been exploring the idea of getting an iPad or something like that, but, um, it’s not very convenient to have a lot of technology with you, especially if you’re a one man show and you’re producing and you’re monitoring the video and the audio and you’re talking to the guests, it’s a lot to manage. So I’m still working through it, but that’s part of it, right?

Sharon Cline: It is, it is. And if you feel like the vibe is different and it lends to a different kind of conversation that would be really interesting to explore as opposed to, you know, like what I have here, which is wonderful. It’s just, you know, the basic setup of tables and whatever. But if I had to if I got super cozy and chill, had a little blanket over my lap, you know, cool lighting it might be, I could see it being a little bit more challenging to feel like I’m really producing something. It would feel more like, um, you know, at a coffee shop.

Logan Lewis: Yeah. You know, it would kind of it would almost warrant you to have somebody in here as a producer all the time. And I know a lot of spaces offer that where they, you know, they offer, you know, they quote you an hourly rate and they include the an engineer or whatever. But, um, you know, with a lot of us that are just doing this on the side, we, we can’t necessarily afford the engineer. But also, you know, I, I’m a control freak a little bit. So I like to know that everything that’s going on that I have control over that I’ve got because like, if someone else screws it up, then I’m just going to be mad that someone screwed it up. But if at least if I did it, I can be mad at myself. I don’t know. Rambling. You know how it goes. You just start talking and eventually you’re like, where’s this going again? Either way. Yeah. The new studio is great. Um, I gotta have you back. We got. We got to jump back in there.

Sharon Cline: It’s been a year.

Logan Lewis: It has been.

Sharon Cline: A full year. I was thinking about it. It was last year at this time. Wow. And I really appreciate the different style that you have of asking questions, because as much as we have a very similar mind and goal in mind, um, and the way we think about it, the, the ending questions that you have for everybody, I really love the idea of that, the sort of the theme questions, you know, which kind of, um, all allow people to, um, relate to each other. It’s, it’s like a very fair comparison. And, um, it’s a very interesting way to get to know someone just almost on a on the superlative level, like what’s your favorite? This? What’s your least favorite? That. You know, all all of that I think is very interesting. So I never thought to do it. And I appreciate that you do. Um, and it’s exciting to see how much, how much work you’re putting into your show because, well, of course, you had your one year anniversary party, which was very fun to attend. And I met some really amazing people, have had some people on the show since then.

Logan Lewis: Amazing.

Sharon Cline: Yeah, I mean, it’s just the networking aspect of it’s great. But so many people came and I was just like, Holy cow, how many shows have you done? Logan? How many shows have you done to date?

Logan Lewis: I’m uploading an episode tomorrow. We’re recording this on, uh, on the 10th of June. When? When will this drop?

Sharon Cline: Um, well, let’s see, what’s today? Tuesday. Usually I do a Friday, so it’ll be before the end of the week.

Logan Lewis: Okay, so.

Sharon Cline: My show is going to drop. I just wanted to use that term drop. It’s going to drop the lingo. Go. I’m so. I’m so lame.

Logan Lewis: I’m pretty sure I could tell you because, you know, whenever you. Yeah, you see the apps, they always do the things where they’re, like, not doing what they’re supposed to do, but. Okay, here we go. Um, episode that comes out tomorrow is episode 432 432.

Sharon Cline: You’ve done 432 episodes, I have. Wait, so when did you start your show?

Logan Lewis: Seven years ago. Uh, at the end of May. It was seven years, my seven year anniversary a few weeks ago of starting podcasting. Now, I say that you know your morning drive with the format that I have with talking to guests similar to you, that has only been the format for the past about 150 episodes or so. Okay, before that, I talked about movies and music and TV, like either by myself or with co-hosts, but I didn’t want to ditch that podcast feed when I rebranded because I had, you know, I don’t want to say a large amount of following, but I didn’t want to just lose everything that I had done for those first few years, so I just kept it, rebranded it. So yeah, I mean, it shows that I have 400 and some episodes, but I mean, here I am being bad on myself. I’m my biggest critic.

Sharon Cline: Me too. But I was just looking. I can’t see how many shows I’ve done, but I’ve done.

Logan Lewis: I’m sure you’ve done a lot.

Sharon Cline: I have, but it’s been. It’ll be three years this month. Actually. The end of the month, I believe, is the three year anniversary. And I’ve never done a party, by the way, which would be really fun to do. Never entered my mind, which was I was like, look at all these people that came to support you and really believe in your mission. So it was really inspiring for me.

Logan Lewis: Thanks.

Sharon Cline: It was it was sponsors. By the way, you have sponsors. Okay.

Logan Lewis: Go ahead. I mean, see, here I am my own biggest critic. I always try to. I’m working on this. Sharon. Are you. I’m working on it in therapy. I can’t take a compliment. Um, and I. Yeah. I don’t know why.

Sharon Cline: Good on you today, by the way. Green.

Logan Lewis: Thank you.

Sharon Cline: Thank you. Nice. See, you did it. Thank you. A compliment, thank you.

Logan Lewis: Just dropped this merch, by the way. That’s what I. If you’re if you’re seeing this. I do have shirts now. They are available in green and green only because that was the logo of the show for the first year was your morning drive with a green backdrop. More colors to come, but.

Sharon Cline: Do you feel like you can’t? You never have that feeling of having been really satisfied with the work that you’ve done. Do you ever do? Do you ever have a moment? And this is a big thing for me. Do you ever have a moment where you can almost like high five yourself or say, you know what, that was a good one. You know where you can be like, yeah, yeah, I did, I did okay then.

Logan Lewis: Yeah. You know, the party was really one of those moments where I, I kind of, you know, from the outside looking in, especially to someone like my parents who were there at the event, um, that know that I have this podcast, but they know I have a full time job and they, you know, I was doing this podcast when I still lived with them. So they’ve always seen it as like a oh, Logan’s. I don’t know if this is what they think, but dumb little hobby or whatever, but for them to see that was something that was, I think, really important to me that like, they could realize that I’m not just doing it because it’s a dumb little hobby. Of course I love doing it, and even if two people listened to every episode, I’d still do it. Um.

Sharon Cline: Your dad was so sweet and so proud of you.

Logan Lewis: Yeah, that was really important for me to see. Um, because, you know, sometimes, you know, when you’re doing this, especially when you’re, you know, you’re doing the audio, you’re doing the video, you’re doing it all by yourself. It can be a really lonely thing. So to see people come through and participate and want to be guests on the show and comment and say, oh my God, that was great. You know, all the all the things. It’s just really I think that party. I took a step back at one point and just like, looked around and just kind of took it all in and I was like, wow, this is freaking badass.

Sharon Cline: And you are the.

Logan Lewis: Sorry, can I curse on here?

Sharon Cline: Yes you can. Okay. This is not FCC controlled in any way. It’s all.

Logan Lewis: The.

Sharon Cline: Internet.

Logan Lewis: Yeah, so I look. Holy shit. This is this is something right here, like. And I’m going to be doing it every year. I mean.

Sharon Cline: Oh.

Logan Lewis: That’s all I’m going to do it every March. Um, I don’t know why March, but I did it March last year, so I’m doing it March this year, um, or this coming year. So, uh, and of course, all of my I’m calling them legacy guests are invited as well. The ones that were on the first go round party. So maybe I might need to get a bigger space, actually, because I’m going to have 100 more guests than to invite.

Sharon Cline: So your goal is to have 100 guests a year at least.

Logan Lewis: Ish, I mean, because. It’s it’s tough because I’ve gotten to the point where I release one a week and. There was a time that I was releasing two a week because I was so backlogged. But like, I could do that now because I have recorded so many advance that they’re not coming out until like, August. So I felt bad about recording these episodes with these guests, and it’ll be like, they’ll be like all excited and they’re like, oh my God, when’s it come out? And I’m like, oh, October! And they’re like, oh! And I’m like, yeah, I know. So I try to hold myself back. So back then I was doing 100 episodes probably a year. This year it’ll probably be way more scaled back, maybe like 60, because there’s been a few weeks at the beginning of the year that I did 2 or 2 episodes a week, but now I just said, you know what? Screw it. Most, most people don’t care when the episode comes out. They don’t mind if it’s a months wait or so. So I just said, you know what? I got to I got to work on me beating myself up about that because there’s nothing I can do. And that’s a good position to be in, to have so many episodes. I episodes. I posted on LinkedIn today that people are. People reached out to me today to get them on the podcast, and I said, I’m looking at dates in October, and it’s like, and they’re always like, dang. And I’m like, yeah, sorry. But also like, I don’t want to like toot a horn or anything, but I guess people want to do your morning drive. I guess.

Sharon Cline: They do. What do you think? They don’t. What do you think people don’t know about what it’s like to do your show the way you’re doing it?

Logan Lewis: You mean from the guest perspective or mine?

Sharon Cline: Both.

Logan Lewis: That’s a good question.

Sharon Cline: Thank you. Thank you.

Logan Lewis: Which, you know, I’ve been sitting here and before I even answer it as you’re talking, you know, you don’t have a notebook or a sticky note or anything in front of you. It’s BS, because I feel like I always have, like my phone pulled up with like, bullet points because, like, you know, my show is similar to yours where it’s very conversational. But if I ever get veered off track or go on a tangent, I have these bullet points that can bring me back. You. You’re asking these great questions just on the fly. No notes. It’s. I’m insanely jealous. I can’t wait to get to your point.

Sharon Cline: Oh, nice. Um, well. I’m lazy. It’s the truth. I’m lazy. If I have to work really hard and, like, prepare really hard, I get very resentful. I research people, I research people, so. And, you know, I call it cyber stalking, but, like, with permission, because I do want to be able to speak intelligently about what they’re doing or at least be able to lead some questions. Oh, you went to the University of Florida. Interesting. Tell me about that. How’d you get to Georgia from there like that? That’s how I will do. But otherwise, if I do too much, I get I get frustrated because then it’s not fun for me. But someday when I have my own big show, I will hire someone and pay them very well to do whatever research for me so that I can just do all the fun things. I would hope.

Logan Lewis: Right? And that person will also write down your time stamps and do all of those little things.

Sharon Cline: Because I know.

Logan Lewis: You don’t want to have to do.

Sharon Cline: Because you do that.

Logan Lewis: I do it all.

Sharon Cline: And so tell me what that’s like.

Logan Lewis: Um, you know, again, with the whole control freak thing I like, I like to a level of doing it because I’m a very, like, completionist kind of person. So when I finish an episode, I’m thinking, okay, when I get home, I’m going to export it, and then I’m going to upload it into my software, and then I’m going to do the editing, and then I’m going to make the clips, and then I’m going to post it on whatever. And you know, I’m very like operational like that. So I like doing it. However, I, you know, you see now with the rise of AI, all of these tools that are like, we’ll do it for you. And I see these ads and I’m like, that would be nice to either, have I? I still don’t think AI is there yet to do exactly what we want it to do. Like it’s pretty good at answering questions, but I feel like if I was like, I want this machine to do all of my work flow, I don’t think we’re there yet, but the idea of having a person to do it with me. For me, whatever, um, is really attractive because I feel like I spend a lot of time doing very small, menial tasks. Um, but again, you know, I like it to an extent. But tomorrow, if I won the lottery, I’m hiring somebody.

Sharon Cline: I’m the same. I mean, it’s there’s a lot in terms of control. I really understand the notion of that. Um, I appreciate people who do this for a living. They are editors, and they work very hard at the at the minutia, the little things, the tiny, um, breaths that you want to take out that can take, you know, several minutes to get exactly right. So something flows exactly right. It it is really a labor of love for, for myself at this point. But it is a labor nonetheless. So I can imagine it would be really great to have someone doing that for you, especially because we just do audio here. You do video too, which is a whole different animal in my mind. I’m so glad I don’t do video.

Logan Lewis: Which I’m jealous because I, I wish I didn’t do video if I’m honest. I tell everybody this because video just adds a level of work that wouldn’t be required if it weren’t for the rise of social media and the rise of TikTok. And video clips and reels and YouTube shorts are a big thing now. And it’s like you have people say you have to do it to to survive.

Sharon Cline: You kind of.

Logan Lewis: Do.

Sharon Cline: Which you kind of do.

Logan Lewis: But it’s not necessarily true because you don’t do video and you’re doing all right.

Sharon Cline: I mean, I think we could do better if I did. I think, um, I think most people like video clips now. I think, um, I am certainly, uh, a consumer and appreciate having a quick video come up onto my feed and I’ll watch it. If it’s just audio, I have to be in the right mindset for that are either cleaning my house or driving. You know, I’m not always inclined to just listen, so I don’t actually know where we would be if we had jumped on that bandwagon. I have not pushed it. I like that there isn’t. But I see the benefit of what you’re doing. You get to put these little clips that are intriguing enough to get people to come back to watch a whole show, as opposed to my even. I haven’t put out any little soundbites or anything of of the show. So I’ve done the same thing for three years. They still let me in the building. It’s amazing.

Logan Lewis: That’s okay, you know? Hey, you know, if Business RadioX wants to wants to have video clips, they could, uh, hire someone to do it for them.

Sharon Cline: We have cameras.

Logan Lewis: You do? I actually use that exact camera? Oh, really? Because I got in here and I did an episode with Stone, and I was like, oh, dude, what camera is that? And he sent me the link, and I bought it that day, and I’ve used it ever since.

Sharon Cline: Which it’s great, because the way you have it set up is that there’s you, there’s a both of you, and then there’s there’s ISOs, what they call, you know, isolation one person, isolation another person, and then both of you. So you can choose which person you want to focus on.

Logan Lewis: Yeah.

Sharon Cline: You don’t have to do like two different cameras, two different feeds, two different switches. Yeah. Which a lot it is.

Logan Lewis: But you know, funny enough that you mentioned that I’ve been thinking a lot lately about the two camera setup because a lot of, you know, a lot of clips feature, you know, because, you know, the host talking back and forth. My software doesn’t allow me to like, cut and like pivot to another speaker and then cut and then pivot back. So I have to pick my clip strategically where it’s basically just my guest monologuing. Um, which there’s no.

Sharon Cline: Response shot of you, like nodding or whatever.

Logan Lewis: Exactly. And you know, I don’t again, the podcast is is me. It’s all me. It’s all my brand. But the show is for for the guest, so I don’t need to be in the clips because I’m all over social media. Everywhere else it seems. Um.

Sharon Cline: But I know the feeling. This is the thing about this show is I love that my focus is the guest. It’s. To me, that’s the most fun. I’m sick of me. I have a lot of enough of me. So to focus on somebody else is really fun. But I had a conversation recently with someone who was talking about the fact that I am the common denominator of the show, so there are people that would come to listen to whatever questions I have, because I’m the common denominator, and that’s not the way I think about it at all. I think about it as, do you want to hear about someone’s story? This guy is the coolest guy, has his own like seven years he’s been doing this podcast. Like, you should listen, you know, because I’m interested in you. It’s not about me. So it’s a very interesting place to be where I feel the exact same way as you. It’s not about me at all.

Logan Lewis: I feel both ways about it because, you know, I listen to a few podcasts, especially that are like, like celebrity interviewers and you have like comedians that do it and you have like, Conan O’Brien does it, Theo Von Does it? Joe Rogan does it. I mean, I don’t listen for Joe Rogan, though. It’s like I tune in because Joe Rogan had Jelly roll. Oh, I want to hear about Jelly Roll or, you know, Theo Von had. I was just listening on the way over here. Theo Von had JD Vance, the vice president on there. I was like, I want to listen to what JD Vance has to say. Very weird pairing so far, by the way. Um, but, you know, there’s I tune in for the guest, not necessarily the host. Although I like Conan, I like Joe, and I like Theo. I would prefer to listen based on the guest, because I don’t care what Theo’s got to say. I want to hear what Robert Downey Jr has to say, you know?

Sharon Cline: Okay, so I’m not off track then, because I was like, I gaslight myself. I make it seem like I’m doing this show for other people, but it’s really about me. I like the idea of it not being about me because I don’t. I don’t think that, I mean, I’m not I, I found other people’s lives way more interesting than mine. So I’m like, tell me what it’s like to be in your shoes for an hour.

Logan Lewis: You give me the vibe of someone who takes criticism really well. Do you? I’m sometimes like, if you like, went on Apple Podcasts and looked at the reviews for your show and you saw a negative review, would you just like be like, oh, that’s funny, or would you like, really think about it?

Sharon Cline: Um.

Logan Lewis: Depending on what it is, I.

Sharon Cline: Would say depend on depending on what it is, I’m, I would say I am a very strong pleaser. So if someone were to say, yeah, you know, I don’t like that she intros her show the exact same way every time, says the same words blah blah blah. I’d be like, oh man, I got to mix that up. Then, you know, it would it would bother me. I would want to I want to make a product in some way that is as relatable and positive and consumable as possible. So if I were doing something that were opposite of that, then it would bother me. But but I, I have yet to read any reviews about this show.

Logan Lewis: Well, I the only reason I ask is because I got a similar to this conversation point about, you know, the show not being about us. So there was a review I got recently that said the host talks too much. The host says the host asks the guest for their insight, and then he turns around and gives his insight. We don’t care about your insight. We care about the guests.

Sharon Cline: Okay, wait, I have to think about this.

Logan Lewis: And so I thought about it for a second and I was like, okay, well, I get it because. Yeah, but it’s it’s it’s like a double edged sword because I feel like while it is my show, but like I said, it is the guest show, so of course I prefer the guests is the highlight. I’m not. If I have something to add or an experience to share or perspective to give, I’m not going to just not give it because they say, oh, you shouldn’t be talking. It’s my podcast. Of course I’m going to talk.

Sharon Cline: Not only that, but I think if someone were to say that about me, my first thought is that the goal is to be relating to each other. The goal is to not be about me. Oh yeah, that was your experience. Here’s mine every time, right? But if there’s something important that sort of feels like it would lend to the story in a way that would be, in my mind, interesting for everyone to listen to, then I would want to do that. I also would have the feeling of, maybe this is not the right podcast for you to be listening to, because there are podcasts that have our very question driven, and one of my favorite people to do interviews to listen to is Terry Gross. She used to be on NPR. Fresh air was her show, and I just marvel at the way she interviews because it is not really an relating kind of interview. It’s more she’s got some very, very good leading questions, and the interviewee can speak as long as they as they want, you know about it. So I love the idea of of that because she is sort of my idol. But I’m not, I think at the level where, um, I am trying to please the whole United States. I think it’s like where I am now is kind of fine, right? I don’t know, maybe if I got to be big enough in that way, I would be very strategic about the way I interview. But right now it’s, I don’t know, my goal. You don’t have to wear your headphones.

Logan Lewis: I’m taking them.

Sharon Cline: Off. Are you. Oh, my God, I’m doing the same thing. Okay.

Logan Lewis: I don’t love wearing headphones.

Sharon Cline: I don’t either. It messes up my hair. It’s all about how I look. Logan. Okay.

Logan Lewis: Yeah, on the show that’s not on video.

Sharon Cline: But I think, interestingly, I think I understand the idea of someone not wanting to hear everything I say, but I also think, um, this is the type of show where that really is the format. And so far, every person that has left the studio has. My goal is for them to feel listened to, heard, understood all of that and felt valued for an hour. You know, if they feel that, then that’s who I’m trying to please most. And if they’re happy, then I’m happy. That’s the way I look at it. Well, yeah, that’s the way I look at it.

Logan Lewis: Yeah, I agree with that. I, I try not to read too much into reviews because, you know, some people just want to give their opinion and, you know, they have every right to their opinion. But I don’t need to hear everything. Um, it’s not like I get like a ton of bad reviews or anything, but I don’t know, I just I do think about it, like if I read a bad review, like that guy who said that I sat there and was just like, shut up. Like, you don’t get it. But then like, later that night, I found myself like, is he right? Do I talk too much?

Sharon Cline: Well, you know what? It takes a lot of maturity to be able to self examine. And so even the fact that it kind of struck you because your goal, I think is similar to mine, is, is knowing that someone said something that really kind of made you question yourself. I think there’s nothing wrong with self-examination, but I’m sure if you were to percentage out your reviews, it’d be like many more positive than negative maybe. Okay, you have had positive reviews.

Logan Lewis: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, mostly by me going to the Apple Store and reviewing.

Sharon Cline: It with anonymous.

Logan Lewis: Anonymous I actually think they block that because people have tried that in the past.

Sharon Cline: Oh no.

Logan Lewis: Kidding. Because I absolutely have gone to an Apple store and tried to review like leave a bunch of reviews and, uh, it doesn’t work.

Sharon Cline: Oh, you’ve got to be kidding.

Logan Lewis: Because.

Sharon Cline: I think I’ve heard of that.

Logan Lewis: When an iPhone or an iPad or a mac or whatever is in an Apple Store, it’s in like a demo mode. So anything that’s done isn’t really permanent, even though, you know, you used to go into like old cell phone stores, like you go to a Verizon store and you would play on like the phones in there, and they were working and you would go to the text and you see all these texts of people texting themselves. None of it works. I mean, they’re all disconnected and deactivated, so.

Sharon Cline: Oh, funny.

Logan Lewis: I feel like everything that you do, like on an Apple Store computer isn’t being tracked. It’s not being recorded. It’s it’s it’s not real. It’s just. It’s. Yeah, it’s just being it’s just a demo mode. So. So if you’re a podcaster out there, don’t waste your time and go to an Apple Store, especially if you live in metro Atlanta. The closest one is probably the Cumberland Mall, and I doubt you want to drive over there to go to, uh, leave yourself a review.

Sharon Cline: All right. I have some questions for you now.

Logan Lewis: Yeah. Hit me.

Sharon Cline: Okay, so what would you say your main goal is for your show? Like when you’re having a guest on what is the what is the most satisfying part of it? What makes you feel like this was a good show?

Logan Lewis: I feel like there’s a few questions in there with.

Sharon Cline: I think I asked like ten questions.

Logan Lewis: A few in there, but so I’ll address each one. I remember because, you know, ADHD brain, you know, it goes away. But how do I know if it’s a good episode is if, you know, during the recording, like me and the guest are exchanging just if we’re just if we’re just hitting, if the chemistry is there because, you know, some people you get in here and they’re good on paper, but the second they get in there they’re like, oh, well, I run this paint shop and it’s really cool and everything. It’s been in my family for 80 years.

Sharon Cline: Yeah, they’re just not, um, uh, radio conversation ready. But they do have a story to tell. It’s just more challenging to get.

Logan Lewis: Yeah. You gotta you gotta do a little bit more digging to get it out of him. But eventually, of course, everyone opens up like 20 minutes in. But if me and the guests are exchanging just electric conversation points or if, like, they’re vibing, if we do like some episodes, we’ll do like a fist bump mid episode because they’re like, yeah, I agree with you, man. Like I love that. Like, I did an episode recently with a guy named, uh, Miles Rubin. Ruben, um, if you haven’t had him, you should. Okay. I will make a connection because he makes. He does stuff, and it’s cool. Um, and we just had the dope conversation the other day when we were doing the podcast, and it ended, and I told him I was like, dude, this is why I do it, like episodes like this.

Sharon Cline: I mean, that’s what it felt like.

Logan Lewis: Like it felt like even if again, if two people hear this, I don’t care because I had the best time recording it. Um, another thing that you asked was, um, well, I lied.

Sharon Cline: What makes this, like, a satisfying show? Basically, that’s like, what you were saying is having that moment where at the end of it, you were just like, this is exactly why I love doing this.

Logan Lewis: And then. Oh, yeah. So the first thing you said was like, what’s your main goal with it? Like, what do people want to, you know, when when a guest is in there. What what’s my like goal? I’d say like small picture. Like if a guest is in there with me, of course I want people to listen to it and then go to that guest’s guests company for their products or services. That’s that’s definitely like I definitely want to hear a testimonial six months later when they’re just like, yo, after our episode came out, like I had a bunch of new customers come in and like, that’s awesome. I’d love to hear that. But, um, or, you know, if if you were on there and you said, hey, our show had a spike in views because you because I was on your episode and you were on mine. So it was a nice little trade off. I would have been like, hell yeah, that’s awesome, I love that, um, of course I want people to interact with the show and subscribe to it and follow it past the guest that they tuned in for, but, um, yeah, just to to to give the guests the value for the, the two hours sometimes that it ends up being when, when they’re with me. Um, funny enough, uh, kind of on the same topic is I reached out to an influencer last night to have them on the podcast, and they told me it was going to be a $6,000 to have them. And I was flabbergasted because I was like, no one’s ever told me that there was going to be a fee.

Sharon Cline: So when you’re saying influencer, what level of influencing?

Logan Lewis: She was on a popular dating show that’s been on cable for a long time? Okay, you’re probably aware of it. I don’t know why I’m disguising it. It’s the bachelor. She was on The Bachelor. I didn’t want to want to out her. She won’t hear this. Um. Hopefully not.

Sharon Cline: Not only that, but there were a lot of people that have been on the.

Logan Lewis: This is true. A lot of women that have been on The Bachelor. Um, so she was a contestant, I DM’d her, I actually share a mutual friend with her. And so I emailed and said, hey, you know, so and so told me to contact you. I’d love to have you on Tell Your Story from The Bachelor and beyond. And she was like, sounds great. It’ll be $6,000 for two hours of my time. And I.

Sharon Cline: What did you say back?

Logan Lewis: I said.

Sharon Cline: How do you handle a conversation like that?

Logan Lewis: I was impressed with myself because I did not use ChatGPT to help me form a response. Normally I do. There’s no fist bump.

Sharon Cline: There it is. Yeah.

Logan Lewis: Fist bump. I can tell you exactly what I said. I said back to her, something along the lines of here we go. Um. I said, hey. Thank you for sharing that. That was a little bit more than I expected. I won’t be able to make that work at this time, as I’m a one man show and just starting out, which I mean, seven years, but, you know, still still a small show. And so she emails back, because I think, in my opinion, that was the end of the conversation. Yeah. You know, thank.

Sharon Cline: You for I would think.

Logan Lewis: You.

Sharon Cline: Know, I would love to pay you 6000 at some.

Logan Lewis: Point even then, like, uh, so she emails me back and says, hey, no problem. What kind of budget are you working with? We’d love to, uh, try and make something work for you.

Sharon Cline: Oh, that was actually generous.

Logan Lewis: It was generous, but I didn’t like that response because I thought I ended the conversation last night. So this is what I said back. I appreciate that, but to be honest, I’ve never been asked to pay a guest of mine for appearing on the show. My show gives folks the place to tell their true and unapologetic story. So I never have been charged or I’ve never charged to be on the show. I don’t really have a budget for this, so I’ll have to pass for the time being until the podcast is lucrative enough that I could afford to pay her.

Sharon Cline: I think that was a very diplomatic way to answer.

Logan Lewis: Thank you very much. Did not use.

Sharon Cline: Uh ChatGPT.

Logan Lewis: Chatgpt.

Sharon Cline: So was there a response since then? No. Okay.

Logan Lewis: That was about noon today.

Sharon Cline: I think you handled it very well.

Logan Lewis: I think so, I think she got the message.

Sharon Cline: Well, you know, at some point I could see this being a, a standard for, for you to, you know, when, when it is lucrative enough. I could imagine. But at this point, um, right now, the energy I have for my show, as well as I’m sure yours is more like, we’re just enjoying this opportunity and enjoying the exchange of getting to know, you know each other in a in a forum that hopefully will be inspiring to other people. And that’s about it. There’s the payment. Right.

Logan Lewis: And you know, I’m not like mad at it. I’m I’m still just kind of taken aback because, you know, like ultimately I don’t really have much to gain from this other than being able to sit with you and talk to you. And yeah, sure, your followers and your fans or whoever are going to listen to the episode, but. You know why? Why would I pay you? I’m highlighting you. You should pay me if with that logic, I’m not. I don’t ever want to be paid. I don’t want to charge people. Ever. That’s not what I’m for.

Sharon Cline: But the. So what I’m imagining is that there is power with her name. And so she knows, I believe that she could bring viewers or listeners to you. And so that’s what you’d be paying for, which is interesting. I just haven’t had to deal with that, not deal with it. I haven’t faced that yet.

Logan Lewis: Yeah. And you know, I don’t hate her for it because, you know, if she’s an influencer, I assume she’s doing that full time and she needs to make money.

Sharon Cline: Probably doing well if that’s what.

Logan Lewis: Correct. So I would assume that that’s a fair rate for someone of her size and get that bag queen. But like you’re not getting it from me Queen. Yes I did. I like to hype up my girlbosses. You’re a girlboss, Shannon.

Sharon Cline: Oh well, thank you. Sharon, do you want to fix your microphone?

Logan Lewis: Like, is something wrong with it?

Sharon Cline: No, I was just going to ask you if you wanted to, like, make it taller. You can, because you’re a pretty tall guy.

Logan Lewis: Oh, wow. Look at that.

Sharon Cline: Look at that.

Logan Lewis: Wow.

Sharon Cline: So handy.

Logan Lewis: Look at you.

Sharon Cline: I know.

Logan Lewis: So multi-purpose mics. Look at that, I like that.

Sharon Cline: So for your studio in the future, if you want. There you go. So is there a favorite show you have?

Logan Lewis: I’ve done a lot of really great episodes. It’s so tough and I’m sure you relate to that. Um, I have a couple that I just got out of and was like similar to the Miles one where I was. Maybe that’s recency bias, but I really enjoyed Miles. Um, he’s on the board for the, uh, Marietta Business Association. So he’s a he’s in a couple good, good spots actually, tomorrow the episode that comes out tomorrow is the president of the Marietta Business Association. Um, but all in all, I. I have to give shout outs to. I had a great time. Of course, with you have to lead with that. Okay. I had a great time with Stone when I was able to record with him.

Sharon Cline: Just a co-owner of Business RadioX, correct? Yeah.

Logan Lewis: Co-owner of Business RadioX. He. You and I wouldn’t be here probably, if it weren’t for him. Absolutely. And his co-founder? Um, so I had a great time with him just being able to. And you probably relate to this when you get to talk to him about when you’re talking shop, but just to hear the wisdom and knowledge from someone who’s done it so much longer than you have. It was just so valuable for me. And that was a year and a half ago. So, I mean, I was at a completely different point then that I am now. And there’s a ton of stuff I do today that Stone taught me. In fact, Stone is the sole reason I hope he hears this stone is the sole reason that your morning drive is the brand of the podcast, because before the podcast, name had my name in it and he said, no one cares right now who Logan Lewis is, he said, you’re not Conan O’Brien, you’re not Joe Rogan. No one cares who you are yet.

Sharon Cline: That was that kind of tough love moment.

Logan Lewis: It was. And at first I was like, that’s kind of rude. But I thought about it and I was like, that’s true. So that night I brainstormed names and came up with your morning drive. So shout out to Stone. Stone was the one that made that happen.

Sharon Cline: Stone has made this happen for me. So what a good guy.

Logan Lewis: Yeah, I got a I should I should text him yearly and thank him for for pushing me in the right direction. But, um, I loved my conversation with Stone. I, uh, I did a podcast with Kelly Nagle. She runs a bagel place out in Cartersville, Nagel’s bagels.

Sharon Cline: She was a had come to your, uh, party and brought bagels, and they were so good. I’d never had them before.

Logan Lewis: Yep. It’s a great, great little shop.

Sharon Cline: Um, I passed it on my motorcycle the other day, and I was like, ah, I can’t stop. But I would say, what’s cool about it is that these relationships that you have, they are all supporting you too, which is really interesting sort of turn of events, you know, because it’s not really about what can you do for me in the future at my party? It’s more just having the an organic, honest moment conversation.

Logan Lewis: Well, funny enough, the relationship that I’ve grown with the Nagel family is one that I really, really value. And again, like I live five minutes from their shop in Cartersville. So I mean, I’m, I’m there a couple times a week either getting coffee or breakfast or, or they do live music on Thursday nights, which is a lot of fun. So I usually head up there with Catherine and we and we enjoy some music for an hour or two. But, um, their relationship was like, as soon as I did the episode with Kelly, she was like, I see how you do your marketing and I really like it. You want to do our marketing. So I run the social media for the Bagel Shop as well. And she said, and hey, just as a little bonus, on top of the payment that they give me for for providing that service, they said, we’ll sponsor your podcast party every year that you throw it and we’ll provide the food. Oh my gosh. And I was like, hell yeah.

Sharon Cline: Look at how that happened.

Logan Lewis: Exactly. And that’s kind of the goal is that and you know, again, with the with the party with like having the sponsors of the party, that whole goal was like, listen, you’re going to be there anyway. You know, throw in what you can for the event And all of the money that was raised on that event went to Must Ministries, so I donated it straight to Must Ministries. Um, thanks. It was it was 200 bucks, but hey, it was $200 donation that I’d never done before. Um, and I had Ike Reichard on the show from Must Ministries. So that was just a cool, full circle moment. But, you know, I just said you’re going to have all these guests that I’ve had and family and friends in this space all together at the same time. Have your business on display. And the Nagels loved that idea. The fireworks team had that idea. Uh, all the other people that I worked with on that event, good days. They were. They provided the alcohol for the event. You should get him in here, too. That’d be a great, great podcast. He’s one of my favorites, too, mainly because he let me try the newest flavor on the air, and we drank like four each on the air. It was kind of bad. I almost debated sleeping in the parking lot.

Sharon Cline: I don’t know if I can have him on this. It was.

Logan Lewis: He. He’ll bring you alcohol and he’ll have a lot of fun doing it.

Sharon Cline: I have his business card. I just looked at it this morning.

Logan Lewis: Did you really?

Sharon Cline: Yes I did.

Logan Lewis: Oh, wow.

Sharon Cline: I know it’s kind.

Logan Lewis: Of shouts to Jason.

Sharon Cline: Yeah, it’s funny that you were mentioning that, but I think one of the things that’s cool about what it is that we’re doing is having, um, these relationships that develop, and it really is from a place of tell me what it’s like to be you for a little while. There’s really nothing I expect out of it. And I, I know it’s the same for you. So when something does happen, like getting business the way that you did, um, it just feels like such a gift.

Logan Lewis: It is. It’s it’s. And again, you know, you probably relate to this, but when people come in here and they are vulnerable and they give you their time and they’re telling their story, it’s a huge compliment. Especially because I don’t know about you. Maybe, maybe your process is a little different than mine, but I don’t typically meet my guests before I do the show with them.

Sharon Cline: I usually I do, but oftentimes I don’t.

Logan Lewis: I usually meet them for the first time here, so they’re really unloading their life to a complete stranger. And it’s really it’s a huge compliment to be able to do that. But then also afterwards, it’s like they enjoyed me in just two hours so much that they were like, I want to work with this guy.

Sharon Cline: It’s crazy because everybody that has left the studio, not one person has said any different that they they feel like we’re friends. It’s just.

Logan Lewis: It’s a bond.

Sharon Cline: Energy. It’s an energy exchange. I always say it’s so magical because there’s no, like, distracting of things I need to be doing. It’s just this moment chit chatting and really asking someone from a genuine place of curiosity what your life is like and what words of wisdom you have for other people that you know may be facing similar things you faced. And so I think when it comes from a genuine place, you can tell I really do. I really believe that.

Logan Lewis: And I just love having those relationships because I’m a I’m a very social person. I love people. So being able to be buddy buddy with, you know, Main Street Warriors or in Woodstock or Diesel. David like being friends with all these people is so much fun for me. I don’t know why. Like, I was just at a ribbon cutting before I came to you for, um, uh, bomb babes for Katy Cruise. If you’ve met her, she has a. She just opened up a spot in the outlets for her little cake bomb. Things that are freaking to die for. I hadn’t had them until today. Good God. Um, and there was, like, six people there that have done your morning drive, and it was so cool. It was like Jen Gray. And then it was like, oh, Rebecca Strobel in the back. And then it was Lee Mayer in the front. Like it was all these people. I was like, oh my God, look at the little your morning drive family. That’s all. At this ribbon cutting.

Sharon Cline: At your party, though, like, look how many people have come to support you. And it’s all this from a place of just, let’s support each other. And I think that energy is very similar that you have that I’d like to think about is, you know, helping each other through life in general. I think it’s just difficult to be a human on the planet, and if we can help each other to get through it, it feels like that’s what we’re supposed to be doing. Like, if I have a way that can ease some kind of suffering for you, well, then I would want to do that. Um, you know, of course, with limits not to make myself suffer in the same way. But if I know that I could help you in some way, I would want to.

Logan Lewis: And absolutely.

Sharon Cline: I think having that, uh, energy behind this show and your show, um, people can tell that there’s like a, a, a a positive end result that you’re looking for, and that’s why you get so much support.

Logan Lewis: Yeah. I at the end of the day, I just want to have fun and make a cool friendship along the way. And again, like, I didn’t expect anything to come out of the relationship with the Nagles, but the fact that it did and it just happened naturally and it just nothing was forced. It was all organic and it just happened. Um, it’s just such a cool honor to to be able to do that.

Sharon Cline: What would you say your long term goal is? Like if you could craft your dream life regarding your morning drive, what would it look like? I’m going to eat a piece of chocolate while we talk. Okay.

Logan Lewis: Yeah, that’s totally cool with me. Actually, you you you have my permission. Thank you. Um.

Sharon Cline: That’s fine.

Logan Lewis: You have all of my permission. Yeah, yeah. You’re right, you’re right. This isn’t. This isn’t mine. Um, you know, I forgot your question.

Sharon Cline: What is your. I’m eating. What is.

Logan Lewis: What is my dream? Um, you know, I. I flip flop on this answer a lot because it changes over time. Um, if I were to, like, you know, rapid fire gun to my head, what’s your what’s your dream? It’s like I want to be like Joe Rogan and do it full time. I want to have I want to be able to have enough support that I can invite new guests in and have, like, Joe Rogan has these episodes where he invites like four comedians and they just bullshit for two hours and like, that sounds fun. And like these catch up episodes that people have been asking me recently, like, you want to do one, Brittany Hyde wants to do one. A few people from last year that I did, they all want to come back and talk about what’s changed in the last year.

Sharon Cline: Which I’m sure a lot with Brittany Hyde. She did the Little Silver bar, but now it’s like a non-sober bar. Yeah, but I’m sure there’s still Soberness. Yeah, but no, she has exploded.

Logan Lewis: She’s blown up. She’s full time. When I interviewed her last year, she wasn’t full time yet. She was. And now, I mean, she’s doing these music festivals now. I mean, it’s just insane how much she’s done. Um, but, like, so people have been wanting to reconnect and it’s like, well, some people say, well, people won’t. People might not tune in for the second time around. And I’m like, you know, I don’t know. But I want to be able to get to the point where I can record really whatever I want. And I still get enough income from either the listenership or ads or sponsorships or relationships or what have you. Um, to to be able to, to do it full time. I mean, that probably means if I’m doing the podcast full time, I’ll probably have to do other things, like maybe it’s public speaking, or maybe it’s a book that I might, may or may not be writing right now.

Sharon Cline: Um, are you nervous about any of that, like public speaking?

Logan Lewis: Public speaking for sure. Really? Which is ironic because I’m public speaking right now. Kind of. Except I can’t. Except I can’t see anybody except for you.

Sharon Cline: A large group of people. Like if you were on a stage and needing to speak, it would be daunting.

Logan Lewis: Yeah, I definitely think that, like, if, if I, you know, if I was to speak in front of, I mean, even at my event, I, I knew I had to say something at one point to thank everyone for coming and even that a room of people that I’m very comfortable with, I was nervous and I had to have 3 or 4 good days before I did it, because I wasn’t going to have the courage to do it. But I’ve been approached here and there recently about public speaking, and I am a yes man. So I just say yes and I’ll figure it out later. So I need to learn how to public speak and to conquer those fears. Um, because it’ll happen at some point, I think.

Sharon Cline: So I have a question for you about it.

Logan Lewis: Yeah. Hit me.

Sharon Cline: Because I think you and I are very similar people, and I’m wondering why it is that I’m not afraid of public speaking. And you are, because, you know, we have shows that we do, and we know all the same people pretty much. And, you know, have our own careers outside of our little shows. Um, and the only thing I can think of that makes me feel brave enough to speak in front of people is when I know that I believe in what I’m saying 100%. So tell me how that does that affect anything when you think of it that way? Or do you already know that you do believe, but it still makes you nervous?

Logan Lewis: That’s a great question. I mean, thank you. You’re so welcome. Uh, I. I think that it’s just. I mean, even the thought of answering this question makes me nervous.

Sharon Cline: Um, the thought of answering this question about public speaking. Yeah. Oh.

Logan Lewis: I just I don’t know. Like, I.

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Logan Lewis: I feel like if I got up on stage, my worst fear would be, like to be heckled. Okay. Or like, if I saw someone get up and leave because they were bored. Like, that is what I’m more afraid. I think of what the what ifs than the actual reality of the situation. Like if I went into a room and taught a class of like, somebody wants me like fireworks, they want me to do like a lunch and learn on like what? Podcasting 101.

Sharon Cline: That’s amazing.

Logan Lewis: Yeah. So excuse me. So I started outlining that last night, and I was like, I’d be so nervous to talk in front of like 30 people about this, even though I know this, like I know it, but I’d still be super nervous for some reason.

Sharon Cline: Would you be thinking, what are they thinking?

Logan Lewis: I think I’d be thinking like, what do they think about me? Like, what do they. What if they think I’m. This is. This is gonna sound so dumb, but just let me say it. What if they think I’m ugly?

Sharon Cline: Oh.

Logan Lewis: Yeah.

Sharon Cline: Oh.

Logan Lewis: Yeah. That comes from. I think that we don’t need to get therapeutic or anything, but I think that comes from a place of childhood. I struggled a lot with how I looked as a kid. Um, I had really, really, really bad acne. I was always super duper skinny. I looked like your textbook nerd. And I heard about it because, you know, middle school is a tough place to be as a kid. Um, I can’t even imagine what it’s like now.

Sharon Cline: But 24 seven, access to everything all the time.

Logan Lewis: I can’t even imagine. So I think that is a piece of it. I’ve never said that out loud, actually. The ugly thing, I just. What if people are thinking about the way I look or something like that? Like that’s something I really, truly fear a lot.

Sharon Cline: All I know from, from is my perspective. I have never once thought, I do not want to speak to this man because of how I don’t think I’ve ever thought that generally about anybody.

Logan Lewis: Well, you’re a better person than most, Sharon.

Sharon Cline: No, you must not think that way. You interview everybody depending on not depending on what they look like. You interview everybody, so you’re the same. So I’m thinking that, you know, you don’t look like a teenage kid anymore.

Logan Lewis: I don’t I definitely don’t look how I looked before.

Sharon Cline: So um, but that’s just like a like, uh, echoes there just echoes. Echo thoughts. But they can be controlling.

Logan Lewis: They can be.

Sharon Cline: Ah. I hope somehow you’re able to find a happy place with it.

Logan Lewis: I think I will.

Sharon Cline: Have a lot to offer, um, in terms of wisdom and energy. And, um, maybe someone out there has a dream of doing their own podcast, and, uh, you could give them just a little bit of inspiration. And the next thing you know, there’s your evening drive or something like that out there because of you.

Logan Lewis: Yeah, that’s nice of you to say. I, I would love to be able to, you know, inspire people and to teach them and have them walk away thinking, oh, that was pretty good. Or, you know.

Sharon Cline: That they learned.

Logan Lewis: Something or that they learned something. Um, again, I just have to kind of I just got to man up and figure it out.

Sharon Cline: And when was the last time you did public speaking?

Logan Lewis: My event. Probably when I before then.

Sharon Cline: Do you remember the last time you did public speaking?

Logan Lewis: Oh, God. Maybe a couple times when I worked at, um. When I worked at LG. I might have done it a couple times, but.

Sharon Cline: I’m thinking that maybe if you were to have an experience that was a positive one, which most likely it will be, then you’ll you’ll see it in real time that it’s gonna going to be all right.

Logan Lewis: I think the luncheon learn opportunity will be a good one because it would be a lot smaller of an environment. It’ll be probably like 2025 people depending on who shows up to it. Um, but I think that it’ll teach me a thing or two about pacing, about, you know, when to lock eyes with the audience, when not to hand gesture. I overthink all of those things. So it’s like, if I learn that, then I think I’ll be fine because I could get past the are you ugly thing, or like, they’re all staring at me thing. Like, well, of course they’re staring because they’re learning. They’re literally here to listen to you. Um, but I get imposter syndrome. You know, I, I feel like people always like they. After an episode ends, people will get home and they’ll send me a text and thank me for doing it. And they’re like, oh, my God, you’re just so cool to be with. So cool to talk to. And I’m just like, ah, nah, I’m, I’m a, I’m a horrible person.

Sharon Cline: But, um.

Logan Lewis: But yeah, I mean, we’ll see. I mean, that might be the next step is public speaking and author and comedian. I’ve been practicing some stand up comedy lately.

Sharon Cline: So you are friends with big, big Rich? Yeah. Who is? Has been in the studio before. Really? I did not interview him directly, but I was the producer for his show. Wow. Um. And he is such a nice man and very, very humble and very funny. And I like that he has clean comedy. Not everybody does, which is totally fine. But I personally like when I can go and I could bring people that are maybe. Yeah. Um, you know, don’t, don’t really appreciate a lot of.

Logan Lewis: The crude and which.

Sharon Cline: Is fine. It’s got its place. I like it too, sometimes. But in this case, I really appreciate that. He’s, um, he’s got such an energy of of happiness, too, you know? So it’s like, all a positive experience all around.

Logan Lewis: Yeah. He’s a great guy. I mean, he’s he’s another relationship that I’ve formed over the last six months or so. Like he was on my show. He I sponsored one of his shows, and I, he, I help him do some video clips for his social media because he’s like, hey, I’m a comedian and I need to have clips on the internet. But he always says, I’m not. I’m not calling him old, but he always says, Like Logan, I’m an old man. I don’t have time for that stuff, and I don’t even want to learn that stuff. He’s like, I’m old. I’m set in my ways. And I’m like, well, then I’ll help you. Um, so I really.

Sharon Cline: Comedy.

Logan Lewis: Well, I say that, but a few weeks ago he had an event. He did a show in downtown Cartersville, and I said, hey, I’ll come be your emcee, because at the show that I went to the first time, he was introducing himself, and I was like, I shouldn’t be introducing yourself. You’re the you’re the main act. You shouldn’t be. You shouldn’t be introducing yourself. Um.

Sharon Cline: So did you do it? You were the emcee.

Logan Lewis: I was the emcee. How was it? It was great. Um. That. Sorry. That was the last time I publicly spoke. Was being the emcee.

Sharon Cline: How did that go?

Logan Lewis: Yeah, that was the last time I publicly spoke. There’s about 50 people in the theater. Oh my goodness. Um, some of which were friends and family, but, I mean, probably 40 people I didn’t know. Um, and I got up on stage, I read from some lines I prepared, um, and I did. I did a couple jokes here and there. The first one did not land. Uh, the second one did land. Um, and afterwards Rich was like, hey, man, if you practice that a few times, maybe next time I’ll let you do 3 or 4 minutes of comedy. And I was like, how do.

Sharon Cline: You feel about that? I’m so proud of you. Because that is sort of the ultimate of public speaking in a different way, because you’re kind of memorizing, but you are up in front of a bunch of people and they are kind of all looking at you. It’s interesting to me that if you can do that as a, as a comedian, how how is that different for you to be a public speaker teaching someone something?

Logan Lewis: Yeah. I mean, that’d be I mean, it’d be a perfect segue because, I mean, even as a comedian, you’re you’re you could possibly face, like, heckling and distractions and stuff like that. So, I mean, that would be good practice for sure. And I told Rich I was like, hey, anytime you do that Cartersville show, you can count on me. I’ll be your emcee. You don’t have to pay me nothing. I’ll just I’ll just show up and I’ll just do it for practice for myself.

Sharon Cline: And you know, when the show is and I’ll come, I will.

Logan Lewis: There’s one. There’s one in June. At some point, I think it’s like June 17th. I think I’ll find out the date for you. Um, but either way, I mean, again, a great show, a great comedian, and he’s a local guy that’s just figured it out. And that’s what I’m jealous of, of him is he’s he’s figured it out. Yeah. He’s, you know, up there in his in his age, he’s in his like I don’t know, I don’t even know how old he is. Um, but, you know, he’s he figured it out later in life. And he’s the happiest man that you can be.

Sharon Cline: Good energy, great energy.

Logan Lewis: And whenever I’m around him, I, I, I love to laugh personally. So whenever I’m around him, I just laugh a lot. Um, but yeah, he’s a he’s a good friend and collaborator now. Love him.

Sharon Cline: So you would love to see yourself be able to do your show as often as you want, and be able to finish writing your book and be able to investigate some comedy, things like that. Those are your goals?

Logan Lewis: I think so. Again, like they change. Um, I’d love to. I’d love to act. I’d love to voice act.

Sharon Cline: Um, I know someone.

Logan Lewis: I do too. I’d love to do all those things. See, that’s that’s the thing about me is, you know, podcasting is my core. That’s what I truly like. Gun to my head, love. But, I mean, if those other opportunities opened up, opened up, I’d absolutely say us. Hey, Logan, we want you to be a voice for a side character in an animated show. Sounds. Sounds freaking great. And I’ve listened and I’ve got another character for you.

Sharon Cline: Yeah, and here’s what else I can do. But that’s the thing. It’s like I went to Momo Con recently. I volunteered at Momo Con in the signature autograph section so that I could meet voice actors who are doing this for their living. And it’s really fascinating, the fans that they have and the dedication that people I mean, there’s a whole world I have yet to tap into in that way, but I’m trying in my own way, I guess. Um, and I could see this for you as well. So it’s like knowing that you have these dreams and these goals and you’re willing to pivot to, to kind of match them. That’s evolution. You’re you’re evolving into what, you know, making your life the way it feels right to you. So I kind of like it. It’s like evolving. People get to witness it in real time.

Logan Lewis: Yeah. You know, if if, you know, if I did a show with Rich and I, I did some stand up and it hit, and if I did a show of my own and people bought tickets and consistently came to see me perform. Then I would pivot and I’d say, okay, we’ll do the podcast less, but but now I’m going to pursue stand up.

Sharon Cline: In real time. People get to kind of witness life unfolding.

Logan Lewis: Yeah. I mean, Rich was a pastor for 32 years. I don’t think when he started being a pastor, he thought he was going to be a stand up comedian. So, uh, you know, people like you just said, people’s journeys evolve over time, and we’re all around. We just see it happen.

Sharon Cline: I like it, though, because it feels like life. It’s just life. This is what is interesting to my brain right now. And it may not be in a year. It may be something else that’s interesting.

Logan Lewis: You’ve got a lot of interesting things going on, though. You’ve got the the new thing.

Sharon Cline: The new thing.

Logan Lewis: Have you talked about that on here yet? Do you want to.

Sharon Cline: Sure.

Logan Lewis: You’ve got this. You’ve got this new show.

Sharon Cline: I do have a new show. Um, it’s called history, Highway History. And then, um, if I bought the entire domain name of history highway with the whole word highway spelled out, it was like $2,000.

Logan Lewis: Hell no.

Sharon Cline: If I did so, I did it. I did it that way. Plus ChatGPT. I was like, you’ve got to help me out here. What options do I have? So, uh, yeah. So I go around to interesting places that are in Georgia. I take my motorcycle ride to interesting places that have a lot of history, um, or know people that know history, or sometimes it’s just me walking around an interesting place and film that. And then I come home and do the exact same thing that you do. I write the voiceover, I record it, I edit it, I, you know, try to make it all a story. My goal is to make them about three minutes long, which is what a typical news package is, because I don’t want to overdo. But, um, that that’s been probably the most fun for me because I can do shorter shows, but I’m also making a longer form version of Euharlee Georgia, which is not too far from Cartersville.

Logan Lewis: No, not at all.

Sharon Cline: Um, the coolest town. And I got to meet with, uh, the museum manager, Dana Risky, and she took me around the museum and pretty much showed me the history of this town. And I had the best time. I was in heaven, and just being able to take my motorcycle, go up to make a cool ride out of it, go up to this really beautiful covered bridge that is one of the oldest in the country, and imagine what life was like back in the day. They’re making a very huge effort to preserve so much about their town that I. I just really enjoyed finding out all about the different ways they do that, and then highlighting some of the aspects that maybe people don’t know about so that when they’re riding, you know, through Cartersville and they see a sign for the oldest covered bridge or the the Black Pioneer Cemetery, they could stop by or some of the coolest churches you know. Just an interesting part of southern life, and I don’t plan to just stay in the South. I plan to go up north and just really explore as much as I can and find some interesting stories to talk about. It has been a joy, and I think I published my first episode like two and a half weeks ago, and now I have eight of them out there, so I’m really excited. That’s awesome. Think about it all the time.

Logan Lewis: That’s awesome. I love that for you. Congratulations on that.

Sharon Cline: It’s been really fun and grateful too, that there are people that come to visit you and they’re very open and willing to talk to you, who’s basically a stranger. I have the same experience like, can I please come interview you about this building, you know, and then people are like, yeah, you know, because it comes from such a place of curiosity and hoping to get people to understand, um, that there’s so much more to people and places and objects and buildings that maybe if they’ve never really stopped to think about it now, it. Now they can appreciate it. Um, yeah. And it’s it really is sort of self-serving because I get to ride my motorcycle and have fun.

Logan Lewis: There you go.

Sharon Cline: So that’s. It’s been a win win. It’s all the things I like. It’s riding motorcycles, history, interviewing people, making some good media, doing, you know, using voiceover, which I can do because I have all this stuff and the equipment. So it’s kind of an and and oh, I was supposed to have a videographer and, uh, he couldn’t he couldn’t come on my trip with me. So I wound up just using my $20 gimbal. I got off the TikTok shop, which I hadn’t really even used before. I’m like, well, I guess we’ll figure out how to make this thing work. And since then, I’ve just videoed it myself. I’m not great at videoing. I’m it’s good enough, but I like that I’m a one person person who’s kind of doing it from start to finish all myself. So I, I like the notion of the, I guess, the control. Like you were saying, it’s kind of nice in that way where if it does, well then I feel proud. If it doesn’t do well, then I know it was because I did something. It’s truly on me. Um, yeah. So that’s. That’s been really fun. Yeah, I and that’s actually why I haven’t done as many of these shows. I’ve just honestly been so busy. Yeah. In a in a good way. But it’s an evolution as well. Like what you’re going through.

Logan Lewis: Yeah.

Sharon Cline: Or experiencing, I should say not like you’re going through an evolution problem. I just mean you’re experiencing life unfold for you.

Logan Lewis: Yeah, absolutely.

Sharon Cline: One last question.

Logan Lewis: Hit me.

Sharon Cline: What do you think people don’t know about what it’s like to be you in the space that you’re in right now? What would you like people to know about it?

Logan Lewis: Ooh. What is it like to be me in the space that I’m in?

Sharon Cline: What do you think? Uh, people may assume about you. That isn’t true.

Logan Lewis: I think people someone said to me a while ago as a joke, but, you know, with all jokes, there’s, like a little undertone of, like, was that a joke? Or were you just saying it in a funny tone to make it sound like a joke? Right? Um, and they said, man, you’re all over social media. You are all over the place. You you’ve got to be full of yourself.

Sharon Cline: That’s a criticism.

Logan Lewis: And I laughed because it’s a long time friend and I knew he was joking. But again, like a negative review, I thought about that later and was like, huh, interesting. I am all over the place. But no, I’m not full of myself. You know, I love doing the show and of course I, I, I talk about the show a lot and I push the advertising and I do, you know, I throw it in your faces. I do that for sure. I’m not doubting or I’m not, you know, dismissing that. But truly, the intent of the show is to highlight the cool people around me like that. Is that is it? I mean, I again, like, I’ve got a full time job that I’m happy at. And of course, if the podcast became my full time job, I’d be happier. But I’m content and I’m safe and secure with with that income. So I forgot where I was going with that.

Sharon Cline: But about being, like, full of yourself and like being all over there in the in the.

Logan Lewis: In the world. Oh well, I say all that to say, but, you know, the podcast isn’t my full time gig. And if it never becomes that, I’m okay with it. I say I can’t lie and say I’m not. I wouldn’t be sad if I the day I died, I looked back and said I could have given it a little harder push. Um, but really, my people, I think I think people would think that I’m full of myself or that I’m just in it for the money, which is ironic, which is funny because there’s not much money in podcasting unless you’re famous. Um, so I really, truly just enjoy being with the people that I’m with. And if I’m, you know, every once in a while I’ll, like, bug somebody that has a connection that I really want, and I’ll bug that person about that connection. But it’s solely so I get to talk to that person. It’s not even an example of like, oh, I want to get that. I want to get that lady so I can do business with her. It’s like, no, I just want to talk to them. I want to know them.

Sharon Cline: So it’s a natural curiosity.

Logan Lewis: Yeah. I’m so curious.

Sharon Cline: Me too. It’s annoying. I wish my brain would chill out sometimes, but it does not say.

Logan Lewis: My, my, your morning drive was almost called. I’m just curious because I say that a lot in the in the interviews of like, hey, I’m just just I’m just curious and I say it a lot. And so that was almost the name because I am always curious.

Sharon Cline: I actually have one final, final question.

Logan Lewis: Final, final.

Sharon Cline: This is the final. Final question.

Logan Lewis: All right.

Sharon Cline: Hit me. What happened to the Chris Pratt? Please come on my show. Please be on. I will not stop tweeting, texting, mentioning him until he’s on the show. What happened?

Logan Lewis: You know, for those of you who don’t know, I tagged Chris Pratt on social media every day for I could tell you, I think it was about, let’s see how many days it ended up being because I saved it. Uh, it was 170 days straight on Instagram. I tagged him, uh, I forgot.

Sharon Cline: What made you give.

Logan Lewis: Up. I think, uh.

Sharon Cline: Because that’s dedication. Every day.

Logan Lewis: I think I got to the point where I realized that Chris Pratt’s, like, the hottest actor on the planet right now, and I was like, the odds of him doing the podcast are probably a lot lower than someone who’s starting their career or a young actor or actress. Um, so I think I was like, oh, I’ll pivot. And so now I’m tagging Theo Von every day until he does the podcast, and I’m on day 85 of that. So, uh, you know, and, you know, I realized today that Theo is also pretty much on top of the comedy game right now. So maybe I need to pivot again and go for the mayor of Woodstock or something?

Sharon Cline: No. Me?

Logan Lewis: I would love to have him. Hey, I know that I don’t have to try with you. I know that.

Sharon Cline: You know, you got to start tagging me and I might consider.

Logan Lewis: It. I, I day tomorrow will be day one of tagging Sharon Cline until, uh, until she does your morning drive.

Sharon Cline: Tag history. Highway. That would be fun.

Speaker4: Okay, okay.

Sharon Cline: Wait. You don’t really have to do that. I’m just.

Speaker4: Kidding. Yeah, I know.

Sharon Cline: Oh. Thank God. Well, I just want to say, Logan, you have been here in the studio for an hour, and it didn’t feel like that.

Speaker4: I know it never does that.

Sharon Cline: Yeah, I really do love when that happens. But thank you so much for coming by and being willing to be so flexible with your schedule and my schedule. And, uh, yeah, we did a shot before the show. I don’t even know what to say. This never happened before in three years. So thank you for that moment.

Speaker4: Sure.

Sharon Cline: Um, used to do shots with my previous podcast, people Chuck and Z show. I was producing their show, their motorcycle influencer people. They’re actually not even influencers. They’re really just amazing people. Um, but we used to do a pre-show shot. We would call it P.s.s.. So that’s pretty much what we did. We did a P.s.s..

Logan Lewis: We did a P.s.s..

Sharon Cline: At the Business RadioX studio for.

Logan Lewis: The very.

Sharon Cline: First time. Um, but thank you, Logan, come back any time. I’d like to see how your journey is evolving. And also, I’m proud of you for being willing to be so vulnerable about things that you haven’t spoken really before, but also things that, you know, other people out there in the world think. And maybe they haven’t been brave enough to say so. Maybe just your being able to say it normalizes them a little bit and makes them feel less like there’s something wrong. Other people feel that way too. I always think there’s power that way.

Logan Lewis: Well, thanks. I again, you know, I, I love doing this and thank you for having me. I mean, it’s such a pleasure always. I mean, we said it when we started and I’ll say it again, whenever we get together, it always seems like we never have time to actually do this. And it’s it’s great. It’s always great to see one another in the wild, but then it’s like, man, I crave that one on one time, so I’ll be sure to. We’ll have to put the brains together again later, later this summer, to try to get you back on your morning drive again, because I want to have you back for a catch up. And we can talk about October. Yes, we actually do November. Yeah, that’s gonna be tough, but, um. But yeah, I just appreciate you having me. It’s it’s been a it’s been a blast. And, uh. Yeah. Thank you.

Sharon Cline: Come back anytime.

Logan Lewis: I sure will.

Sharon Cline: And thank you all for listening to Fearless Formula on Business RadioX. And again, this is Sharon Cline and Logan Lewis reminding you that with knowledge and understanding and chocolate and shots, you too. Wait, what was I saying? Oh, you two can have your own fearless formula. Have a great day.