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Bob Littell on NetWeaving for Referrals and Real Relationships

February 18, 2026 by John Ray

Bob Littell, Creator of NetWeaving, on Building the Relationships That Grow Your Practice (The Price and Value Journey, Episode 161), with host John Ray
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Bob Littell, Creator of NetWeaving, on Building the Relationships That Grow Your Practice (The Price and Value Journey, Episode 161)

If your networking efforts feel hollow or one-sided, this episode reframes the whole game. Bob Littell, creator of NetWeaving and author of The Heart and the Art of NetWeaving, joins host John Ray to explain why leading with genuine service, rather than a thinly veiled pitch, builds the kind of relationships that actually generate business. For professional service providers who feel stuck doing traditional networking and wonder why it’s not working, Bob’s framework offers a practical and principled alternative.

Bob lays out the three core skills of NetWeaving: connecting others with their needs in mind, positioning yourself as a resource people know they can call on, and building a trusted referral network over time. He also shares a fourth, often overlooked reason NetWeaving fails: the person doing it simply isn’t yet as referable as they think. From follow-up discipline to the way you present yourself online, Bob walks through how professionals inadvertently undermine their own word-of-mouth.

The conversation also covers Bob’s “GLP” questioning framework, which moves conversations from global to local to personal for moving beyond small talk at networking events; how to host a connection meeting so it actually energizes both parties; and what Adam Grant’s research on givers, takers, and matchers means for how strategic you need to be in today’s business climate. If you’ve been giving without seeing much return, this episode will help you figure out exactly why and what to change.

The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of the Business RadioX® podcast network.

Key Takeaways You Can Use from This Episode

  • NetWeaving is not a replacement for traditional networking. You need both, but NetWeaving asks you to lead with the other person’s needs, not your own agenda disguised as generosity.
  • The three pillars of NetWeaving are connecting others without keeping score, positioning yourself as a known and accessible resource, and building a trusted referral network you’ve personally vetted.
  • If NetWeaving isn’t producing results, run through the three diagnostic questions: Are you connecting givers or inadvertently serving takers? Is your help truly no-strings-attached or is there a subtle ask embedded in it? Are you following up to make sure you get credit for the connections you make?
  • Being referable is something you have to work at. Your website, your social media presence, and the way you communicate all signal to potential referral partners whether they can confidently send someone your way.
  • Asking better questions is a learnable skill. Bob’s GLP framework, moving from global industry challenges to local company issues to personal focus areas, helps you listen strategically and identify where you can genuinely help.
  • Hosting a connection meeting well means doing your homework on both parties beforehand, sharing bios so neither person shows up cold, and framing the introduction with specific reasons why you think it’s a worthwhile meeting.

Robert S. Littell, Chief NetWeaver

Bob Littell is the creator of NetWeaving and the founder of NetWeaving International, known globally as the Chief NetWeaver. Over a 50-year career in the insurance and financial services industry, he served as Chief Marketing Officer for two insurance companies, ran his own national insurance brokerage agency, and built an independent consulting practice that included expert witness work and writing for publications including the Wall Street Journal, Kiplinger’s, and the Atlanta Business Chronicle.

In 1999, Bob created the word and concept of NetWeaving, a Golden Rule and Pay It Forward approach to building trusted business relationships. With the blessing of Catherine Ryan Hyde, author of the book on which the Pay It Forward movie was based, NetWeaving is now recognized worldwide as the business version of Pay It Forward. He has authored three books on the concept: Power NetWeaving, The Heart and Art of NetWeaving, and Raising Your R&R Factor.

His work has drawn endorsements from Jeffrey Gitomer, Bob Burg, Daniel Pink, and Arthur Blank, co-founder of Home Depot and owner of the Atlanta Falcons.
Bob’s NetWeavers Inspire platform at netweaversinspire.com offers free access to both books, a NetWeaver Aptitude Assessment, a NetWeaver Diplomat certification course, and more than 50 business book summaries, all at no charge.

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John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include business coaching and advisory work, as well as advising solopreneurs and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their expertise, such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, coaches, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

John is a podcast show host and the owner of North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®. John and his team work with B2B professionals to create and conduct their podcast using The Generosity Mindset® Method: building and deepening relationships in a non-salesy way that translates into revenue for their business.

John is also the host of North Fulton Business Radio. With over 900 shows and having featured over 1,300 guests, North Fulton Business Radio is the longest-running podcast in the North Fulton area, covering business in its region like no one else.

John’s book, The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices

John Ray at Barnes & Noble with his book, The Generosity MindsetJohn Ray is the author of the five-star rated book The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices, praised by readers for its practical insights on raising confidence, value, and prices.

If you are a professional services provider, your goal is to do transformative work for clients you love working with and get paid commensurate with the value you deliver to them. While negative mindsets can inhibit your growth, adopting a different mindset, The Generosity Mindset®, can replace those self-limiting beliefs. The Generosity Mindset enables you to diagnose and communicate the value you provide to clients, which allows you to price your services more effectively in order to receive a portion of that value.

Whether you’re a consultant, coach, marketing or branding professional, business advisor, attorney, CPA, or work in virtually any other professional services discipline, your content and technical expertise are not proprietary. What’s unique, though, is your experience and how you synthesize and deliver your knowledge. What’s special is your demeanor or the way you deal with your best-fit clients. What’s invaluable is how you deliver outstanding value by guiding people through massive changes in their personal lives and in their businesses that bring them to a place they never thought possible.

Your combination of these elements is unique in your industry. There lies your value, but it’s not the value you see. It’s the value your best-fit customers see in you.

If pricing your value feels uncomfortable or unfamiliar to you, this book will teach you why putting a price on the value your clients perceive and identify serves both them and you, and you’ll learn the factors involved in getting your price right.

The book is available at all major physical and online book retailers worldwide. Follow this link for further details.

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Bill Cates on How Your Money Story Shapes Your Pricing

December 3, 2025 by John Ray

How Your Money Story Shapes Your Pricing: Bill Cates on The Hidden Heist, on The Price and Value Journey podcast with host John Ray
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How Your Money Story Shapes Your Pricing: Bill Cates on The Hidden Heist (The Price and Value Journey, Episode 154)

Many expert-service pros quietly carry money worries into every pricing decision they make. They undercharge, hesitate to raise fees, or avoid looking too closely at their finances, even while they help clients make sound business decisions. In this episode of The Price and Value Journey, John Ray talks with referral and money-story expert Bill Cates about how the stories you absorbed about money early in life still shape your business today.

Bill shares ideas from his new parable, The Hidden Heist: Stop Robbing Yourself of Lasting Wealth, and explains why so many professionals operate from scarcity, money anxiety, and what he calls “money denial.” He and John connect those mindsets to common pricing traps, like discounting by reflex, staying in “satisfied” territory instead of becoming truly remarkable, and quietly resenting clients while never asking for referrals.

Listeners will hear how to think of money as something that flows toward value, why you cannot become someone you secretly resent, and how inherited beliefs about “people with money” can cap your earning potential. Bill also talks about building “business friendships” that lead to advocacy and why curiosity and empathy are the best tools you have to uncover a client’s own money story.

If you want to strengthen your pricing, feel more grounded talking about fees, and stop letting old money narratives run your firm from the shadows, this conversation will help you start that work.

The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of the Business RadioX® podcast network.

Key Takeaways You Can Use from This Episode

  • Notice the money messages you grew up with and how they still show up in your pricing, discounting, and growth decisions.
  • Shift from a fixed-pie view of money to seeing it as something that flows toward genuine value and outcomes.
  • Move from “my clients are satisfied” to “my clients love me” and then to being truly remarkable and referable.
  • Build “business friendships” with clients, where strong results and genuine personal connection sit side by side.
  • Use curiosity and follow-up questions to surface a client’s hidden money beliefs so you can serve them better and avoid false assumptions.
  • Stop money denial by taking responsibility for your own financial clarity instead of abdicating everything to advisers.

Topics Discussed in this Episode

00:00 Welcome and Introduction to Bill Cates
01:59 Bill Cates’ Background and Adventures
03:05 The Hidden Heist: A Unique Approach to Financial Literacy
04:56 Understanding Money Stories and Limiting Beliefs
07:31 The Scarcity Mindset and Its Impact
10:47 Getting into the Flow of Money
17:41 Inherited Money Stories and Their Effects
22:32 The Power of Awareness and Money Stories
22:45 Basic Financial Principles
22:59 Working with Financial Professionals
23:16 Understanding Money Mindsets
24:53 The Importance of Masterminds and Advisory Boards
27:05 Money Denial and Its Impact
32:17 The Role of Financial Advisors
37:04 Empathy and Client Relationships
41:15 Conclusion and Resources

Bill Cates, Referral Coach International

Bill Cates, Referral Coach International
Bill Cates, Referral Coach International

Bill Cates is an internationally recognized expert in relationship marketing and referrals, serving as the president of Referral Coach International and the founder of The Cates Academy for Relationship Marketing, where he assists financial advisors and other professionals in achieving exponential growth by multiplying their best clients through warm introductions rather than traditional prospecting.  He is a Hall of Fame keynote speaker and bestselling author of books such as Get More Referrals Now, Beyond Referrals, Radical Relevance, and The Language of Referrals. Additionally, he hosts the Top Advisor Podcast, interviewing top performers about client acquisition and growth strategies.

Referral Coach International is Bill Cates’ consulting and training firm dedicated to helping advisors, teams, and organizations build a referral‑driven, relationship marketing culture based on how clients actually prefer to meet new advisors: through recommendations and introductions from people they already trust.  The firm’s unique Bill Cates Relationship Marketing System and the “3 R’s of Relationship Marketing” focus on identifying a specific target market, clearly communicating valuable information, building a strong reputation in a niche area, and then using that reputation to generate a steady stream of suitable client referrals and introductions.

RCI delivers its work through video-based training, one‑on‑one and team coaching, live workshops, and consulting, with a particular emphasis on financial advisors and advisory firms that want to increase revenue without increasing their marketing budget.  Across these programs, the aim is to help professionals become “super referrable,” systematize how they ask for and receive introductions, and create a business where high-trust, high-conversion referral opportunities are a primary engine of growth.

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John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include business coaching and advisory work, as well as advising solopreneurs and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their expertise, such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, coaches, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

John is a podcast show host and the owner of North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®. John and his team work with B2B professionals to create and conduct their podcast using The Generosity Mindset® Method: building and deepening relationships in a non-salesy way that translates into revenue for their business.

John is also the host of North Fulton Business Radio. With over 900 shows and having featured over 1,300 guests, North Fulton Business Radio is the longest-running podcast in the North Fulton area, covering business in its region like no one else.

John’s book, The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices

John Ray at Barnes & Noble with his book, The Generosity MindsetJohn Ray is the author of the five-star rated book The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices, praised by readers for its practical insights on raising confidence, value, and prices.

If you are a professional services provider, your goal is to do transformative work for clients you love working with and get paid commensurate with the value you deliver to them. While negative mindsets can inhibit your growth, adopting a different mindset, The Generosity Mindset®, can replace those self-limiting beliefs. The Generosity Mindset enables you to diagnose and communicate the value you deliver to clients and, in turn, more effectively price to receive a portion of that value.

Whether you’re a consultant, coach, marketing or branding professional, business advisor, attorney, CPA, or work in virtually any other professional services discipline, your content and technical expertise are not proprietary. What’s unique, though, is your experience and how you synthesize and deliver your knowledge. What’s special is your demeanor or the way you deal with your best-fit clients. What’s invaluable is how you deliver outstanding value by guiding people through massive changes in their personal lives and in their businesses that bring them to a place they never thought possible.

Your combination of these elements is unique in your industry. There lies your value, but it’s not the value you see. It’s the value your best-fit customers see in you.

If pricing your value feels uncomfortable or unfamiliar to you, this book will teach you why putting a price on the value your clients perceive and identify serves both them and you, and you’ll learn the factors involved in getting your price right.

The book is available at all major physical and online book retailers worldwide. Follow this link for further details.

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Mastering Sales: It’s Not About You, It’s About Them, with Bill McDermott, Host of ProfitSense

January 23, 2024 by John Ray

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In this commentary from a recent episode of ProfitSense, Bill McDermott discusses the essential mindsets and skills necessary for mastering sales.

Bill’s commentary was taken from this episode of ProfitSense.

ProfitSense with Bill McDermott is produced and broadcast by the North Fulton Studio of Business RadioX® in Alpharetta.

Transcript

We’re kicking off a new year. It’s 2024. Every business owner I’m talking to recently has been trying to think about “what do I need to do to sell more? Do I raise prices? Do I increase volume?” And so I wanted to talk briefly about how to become the salesperson people want to buy from. Having success in sales can sometimes feel easier said than done.

It takes hard work, dedication, and a willingness to learn and grow. It also takes the ability to overcome objections and setbacks. I recently led a sales training to a group of commercial bankers that we discussed the importance of dealing with mindset first and then adding the right skill set. Two crucial mindsets to have are an abundance mindset and a success mindset.

The best way to have an abundance mindset is to have an abundance of opportunities. A success mindset includes the 80/20 rule. In a sales call, do 20 percent of the talking and 80 percent of the listening. Ask questions based on curiosity and listen to the answers. For skill set, it’s important to engage your client or prospect in as much right brain thinking as you can.

The right side of the brain is where imagination and feelings live. If you can engage those through the art of storytelling, you’ll soon find the client sees themselves in your story. This triggers a desire to do business with you because they see you as someone that can solve their problem. So our formula for success is simple.

Find the level of activity you’re willing to adopt, own your sales process, and ask good questions and solve problems. Don’t sell products.

About ProfitSense and Your Host, Bill McDermott

Bill McDermott
Bill McDermott

ProfitSense with Bill McDermott dives into the stories behind some of Atlanta’s successful businesses and business owners and the professionals that advise them. This show helps local business leaders get the word out about the important work they’re doing to serve their market, their community, and their profession. The show is presented by McDermott Financial Solutions. McDermott Financial helps business owners improve cash flow and profitability, find financing, break through barriers to expansion, and financially prepare to exit their business. The show archive can be found at profitsenseradio.com.

Bill McDermott, “The Profitability Coach,” is the Founder and CEO of McDermott Financial Solutions. When business owners want to increase their profitability, they don’t have the expertise to know where to start or what to do. Bill leverages his knowledge and relationships from 32 years as a banker to identify the hurdles getting in the way and create a plan to deliver profitability they never thought possible.

Bill currently serves as Treasurer for the Atlanta Executive Forum and has held previous positions as a board member for the Kennesaw State University Entrepreneurship Center, Gwinnett Habitat for Humanity, and Treasurer for CEO NetWeavers. Bill is a graduate of Wake Forest University, and he and his wife, Martha, have called Atlanta home for over 40 years. Outside of work, Bill enjoys golf, traveling, and gardening.

Connect with Bill on LinkedIn and Instagram, and follow McDermott Financial Solutions on LinkedIn.

Tagged With: abundance mindset, Bill McDermott, mastering sales, mindsets, Profitability Coach Bill McDermott, ProfitSense, ProfitSense with Bill McDermott, Sales, The Profitability Coach

Servant Leadership in a Pandemic, with Joe Iarocci, Cairnway Coaching

May 9, 2020 by John Ray

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Servant Leadership in a Pandemic, with Joe Iarocci, Cairnway Coaching (North Fulton Business Radio, Episode 232)

Joe Iarocci of Cairnway Coaching joins the show to discuss servant leadership in a pandemic, examples of both stellar and mediocre leadership in this environment, a leader’s “Covid-19 mindset,” and much more. The host of “North Fulton Business Radio” is John Ray and the show is produced virtually by the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX® in Alpharetta.

Joe Iarocci, Founder,  Cairnway Coaching

servant leadership in a pandemic
Joe Iarocci, Cairnway Coaching

Joe Iarocci is the Founder of Cairnway Coaching. Joe founded Cairnway after serving as CEO of the Robert K. Greenleaf Center for Servant Leadership. Before joining the Greenleaf Center, Joe spent thirteen years with CARE USA, one of the world’s largest international nongovernmental organizations dedicated to ending extreme poverty. Joe served CARE as General Counsel, Chief Financial Officer and Chief of Staff. Joe practiced business law prior to joining CARE, representing individual entrepreneurs as well as multinational corporations. Joe currently serves on the boards of Social Accountability International, the Georgia Center for Nonprofits and the Foundation Center-Atlanta. Joe is uniquely passionate about spreading awareness and increasing implementation of servant leadership practices organizations and individuals.

Cairnway is a firm that coaches executives, teams and boards of directors, taking a servant leadership approach. The firm promotes servant leadership in the workplace through speaking, teaching and corporate events.

The evidence shows that organizations applying servant leadership have exceptional employee engagement, customer experience and team effectiveness. Servant leadership improves performance on more than one bottom line.

Joe and the Cairnway team bring a servant leadership approach to their coaching work. That means we measure our success by the success of those they serve.

Find out more on Cairnway’s website, serveleadnow.com, or email Joe directly.

Questions and Topics in this Interview:

  • Joe’s background and Cairnway’s philosophy of leadership
  • What exactly is servant leadership?
  • Where servant leadership is being modeled in this pandemic
  • The example of Dr. Anthony Fauci
  • A leader’s “Covid-19 mindset”
  • Joe’s essay, “What’s Your COVID-19 Leadership Mindset?”
  • Abundance mindset vs. scarcity mindset
  • Asset-based mindset vs. liability-based mindset
  • Fragile mindset or “antifragile” mindset

North Fulton Business Radio” is produced virtually from the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX® in Alpharetta. You can find the full archive of shows by following this link. The show is available on all the major podcast apps, including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, iHeart Radio, Stitcher, TuneIn, and others.

Renasant Bank has humble roots, starting in 1904 as a $100,000 bank in a Lee County, Mississippi, bakery. Since then, Renasant has grown to become one of the Southeast’s strongest financial institutions with over $13 billion in assets and more than 190 banking, lending, wealth management and financial services offices in Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia and Florida. All of Renasant’s success stems from each of their banker’s commitment to investing in their communities as a way of better understanding the people they serve. At Renasant Bank, they understand you because they work and live alongside you every day.

Tagged With: abundance mindset, antifragile, antifragile mindset, asset-based mindset, Cairnway, Cairnway Coaching, COVID-19, Covid-19 mindset, Dr. Anthony Fauci, fragile mindset, Joe Iarocci, Leadership, liability-based mindset, renasant bank, scarcity mindset, servant leader, Servant Leadership

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