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HR Issues That Derail a Business Exit | Cindi Filer

April 30, 2026 by John Ray

Cindi Filer, Innovative Outsourcing, on HR Issues That Derail a Business Exit (The Exit Exchange, Episode 27) with host John Ray
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Cindi Filer, Innovative Outsourcing, on HR Issues That Derail a Business Exit (The Exit Exchange, Episode 27)

In this episode of The Exit Exchange, host John Ray welcomes Cindi Filer, Founder and CEO of Innovative Outsourcing, to talk about why HR is so often the last thing business owners think about and why, when it comes to an exit, it can be the thing that unravels the whole deal.

Cindi makes the case that HR is not just a compliance checklist but a people strategy and that most small businesses have never treated it as one. She and John walk through the specific traps owners fall into: employees misclassified as exempt who were never owed overtime, 1099 contractors who should have been W-2 employees all along, I-9 documentation that nobody can locate, and attrition rates that look healthy on paper but mask a workforce full of employees no one has had the courage to let go. A buyer doing due diligence will find all of it and will discount the purchase price heavily, far more than the dollar value of the problem itself.

The host of The Exit Exchange is John Ray, and the show is produced by John Ray and North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, the North Fulton affiliate of Business RadioX®.

Key Takeaways from This Episode

  • Most small businesses have someone doing HR who has no HR background — a controller, an executive assistant, or the owner — and that gap compounds over time. By the time a company is heading toward an exit, the problems are usually larger than anyone realizes.
  • A buyer is not just buying numbers. When comparing two businesses with similar financials, a buyer will pay a higher multiple for the one with organizational health: trained leaders, documented processes, an engaged workforce, and a clean compliance record.
  • Misclassification of workers, whether exempt vs. non-exempt or employee vs. 1099 contractor, is one of the most common and costly HR errors found during due diligence. Back wages, fines, and reclassification costs can all become liabilities the buyer inherits, and they will price accordingly.
  • An HR Assessment and Roadmap, essentially an HR audit done well before going to market, gives a seller time to fix problems and produce a third-party evaluation of HR health that buyers find credible.
  • Artificially low employee salaries can look like a cost advantage but are actually a future liability. If employees leave during or after the transition and must be replaced at market rates, profitability projections fall apart fast.

Topics Discussed in this Episode

00:24 Cindi Filer and Innovative Outsourcing: what they do and who they serve
02:23 The sweet spot for fractional HR: companies from 4 to 60 employees
04:06 When to start thinking about HR in the context of exit planning
05:45 Why HR gets the short straw from day one, and the gap that never closes
07:55 HR Compass: making fractional HR affordable for the smallest businesses
09:20 Risk miscalculation: why owners don’t know what they don’t know
10:30 The aggregation trap: multiple companies, one owner, one threshold
11:10 The cost of non-compliance: fines, back wages, and the I-9 example
12:40 Two hours a month on organizational health: Cindi’s standing advice to CEOs
14:00 Attrition rates can lie: the difference between low turnover and a healthy workforce
15:45 Why buyers pay more for organizational health, not just good numbers
17:30 The people-are-the-numbers argument: workforce as both asset and liability
18:45 1099 misclassification and what it looks like in due diligence
20:30 What the engagement looks like when Innovative Outsourcing comes in pre-exit
22:00 The HR Assessment and Roadmap: the house inspection analogy
24:00 Buyers need a story, not just financials: making the case for HR health
25:30 The most common HR traps: exempt/non-exempt misclassification
27:15 When misclassification derails a sale at the last minute
28:30 Personal liability for owners: when it goes beyond the business
30:00 Golden handcuffs and succession planning: keeping people through a transition
31:00 Below-market salaries as a hidden liability for buyers
36:00 Buttoned-up HR as a signal of overall business quality
37:30 A success story: the six-employee health company that exited well

Cindi Filer

Cindi Filer is Founder and CEO of Innovative Outsourcing, which she started in 1994 after leaving the traditional workforce to raise her children. Her focus is on bringing practical, high-level HR to small businesses, helping owners improve staff culture, increase retention, and stay in compliance. She is a frequent speaker to CEO groups and conferences on HR topics, and she publishes a biweekly HR newsletter on LinkedIn.

Cindi graduated from Wake Forest University. She is married to Don, and they have two children, Matt and Emily.

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Innovative Outsourcing

Innovative Outsourcing is an Atlanta-based firm that has been providing HR and recruiting services to small businesses since 1994. The firm operates two main practice areas: consultative recruiting for part-time and full-time professional roles and fractional HR services for companies that need HR expertise without a full-time HR hire.

On the HR side, Innovative Outsourcing offers a range of engagement models, from HR Compass, a monthly fractional HR service starting at $500 per month, to the HR Assessment and Roadmap, a structured audit and planning tool designed to surface compliance gaps and people-strategy weaknesses. The firm works with companies from just a few employees up through those large enough to need an HR director, and its team includes consultants with decades of experience across HR compliance, talent management, and organizational development.

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The Exit Planning Exchange Atlanta

The Exit Planning Exchange Atlanta (XPX) is a diverse group of professionals with a common goal: working collaboratively to assist business owners with a sale or business transition. XPX Atlanta is an association of advisors who provide professionalism, principles, and education to the heart of the middle market.

Their members work with business owners through all stages of the private company life cycle: business value growth, business value transfer, and owner life and legacy. Their vision: to fundamentally change the trajectory of exit planning services in the Southeast United States. XPX Atlanta delivers a collaboration-based networking exchange with broad representation of exit planning competencies. Learn more about XPX Atlanta and why you should consider joining our community by following this link.

The host of The Exit Exchange is John Ray, and the show is produced by North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, the North Fulton affiliate of Business RadioX®, in Alpharetta. The show archive can be found by following this link.

John Ray Co. is a Gold Sponsor of XPX Atlanta.

Tagged With: 1099 contractors, attrition, business exit, Cindi Filer, due diligence, employee classification, employee retention, exempt non-exempt, exit planning, Fractional HR, HR Assessment and Roadmap, HR Compass, Human Resources, I-9 compliance, Innovative Outsourcing, John Ray, organizational health, people strategy, selling a business, Succession Planning, The Exit Exchange, The Exit Planning Exchange Atlanta, worker misclassification, XPX Atlanta

Immigration Law for Agricultural and Seasonal Workers, with Misty Wilson Borkowski, Hall Booth Smith, P.C.

May 6, 2024 by John Ray

Immigration Law for Agricultural and Seasonal Workers, with Misty Wilson Borkowski, Hall Booth Smith, P.C. 
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Immigration Law for Agricultural and Seasonal Workers, with Misty Wilson Borkowski, Hall Booth Smith, P.C. (Litigators Lounge, Episode 11)

Misty Borkowski returns for another conversation in Litigators Lounge, this time with a focus on immigration law for agricultural and seasonal workers. In this discussion with hosts Jackie Voronov and Shylie Bannon, Misty delves into the H2A and H2B visa programs, outlining the processes and regulations employers must navigate to legally employ migrant workers in the U.S. The conversation also covers the misconceptions surrounding migrant workers, the rigorous compliance and documentation required for employing foreign nationals, including I-9 audits, and the impact of immigration practices on both employers and the U.S. economy. Misty offers insights into the challenges and responsibilities that come with employing migrant labor, from ensuring proper housing and transportation to meeting wage standards and avoiding potential legal pitfalls.

Litigators Lounge is underwritten and presented by Hall Booth Smith. The show is produced by John Ray and the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX®.

Misty Wilson Borkowski, Partner, Hall Booth Smith, P.C.

Misty Wilson Borkowski, Hall Booth Smith, P.C.
Misty Wilson Borkowski, Partner, Hall Booth Smith, P.C.

Misty Borkowski is a Partner in the Little Rock office of Hall Booth Smith, P.C. Her practice focuses on immigration matters, assisting both employers and individuals.

Prior to joining HBS, Misty, who is also fluent in Spanish, was a director at a local law firm, where she served as the designated attorney to aid in PALE (Program of Legal Assistance to Mexican Nationals through External Legal Advice in the United States of America) alongside the Mexican Consulate in Little Rock. She also functioned as the Liaison to Changchun, Little Rock’s Sister City in China.

The Arkansas Supreme Court chose Misty to be a member of the Criminal Justice Act Panel with the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Arkansas and appointed her to the Criminal Practice Committee. She is also an Adjunct Professor at the University of Arkansas at Little Rock, Bowen School of Law, where she teaches a course on Immigration Law.

Misty earned her Juris Doctor at the University of Arkansas Little Rock, Bowen School of Law, and her Bachelor of Arts in International Studies at the University of Arkansas Little Rock.

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Topics Discussed in this Episode

00:00 Welcome to Litigators Lounge: A Dive into Workplace Legal Issues
01:00 Introducing the Episode: Immigration Law Series Part Two
02:51 Exploring H2A and H2B Visas: The Basics of Agricultural and Seasonal Workers
08:24 Navigating the Complexities of Employer Compliance and Audits
24:42 Understanding I-9 Compliance and the Importance of Documentation
38:01 Closing Thoughts

About Litigators Lounge

Jackie Voronov and Shylie Bannon, attorneys at Hall Booth Smith who specialize in labor and employment law, are the hosts of the engaging podcast Litigators Lounge. Listen as they delve into the intricate world of workplace legal issues as they explore real-life examples, unpack legal scenarios, and offer expert insights to help organizations and employees navigate the ever-changing legal landscape. With engaging discussions, diverse viewpoints from expert guests, and an ample touch of humor, Litigators Lounge is the go-to source for in-depth analysis and expert advice on law and the workplace.

Litigators Lounge is underwritten and presented by Hall Booth Smith. The show is produced by John Ray and the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX®.

If you have questions or feedback for Jackie and Shylie, feel free to follow this link and email them.

Jackie Voronov, Partner, Hall Booth Smith

Jackie Voronov, Partner, Hall Booth Smith
Jackie Voronov, Partner, Hall Booth Smith

Jackie Voronov is a Partner in Hall Booth Smith’s office in Paramus, New Jersey, and she represents management in a wide variety of employment matters and litigates employment claims before administrative agencies and state and federal courts. Her clients include major hotels, retailers, shipping companies, assisted living facilities and nursing homes, manufacturers, and national fast-food franchisees.

Jackie’s litigation experience includes the defense of employers in single and multi-plaintiff actions on claims of wrongful discharge, sexual harassment, race, national origin, gender, disability and age discrimination, breach of contract, family medical leave, failure to accommodate, retaliation, wage/hour laws, and related tort claims.  Jackie also works with her clients to prepare various employment agreements (including non-compete, confidentiality, independent contractor, and separation agreements). She has extensive experience before various administrative tribunals, including the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), the State Division of Human Rights (SDHR), the Division of Civil Rights (DCR), and other state, federal, and local agencies.

In addition, Jackie frequently conducts management training for employers on a wide variety of employment law topics, such as:

  • EEO/anti-harassment
  • employee recruiting and hiring practices
  • family and medical leave
  • reasonable accommodations for disabilities and religion
  • preventing and investigating harassment, discrimination, and whistleblower claims
  • wage and hour compliance
  • discipline and termination of employees
  • privacy in the workplace

Jackie is regularly invited to speak nationally on best practices and other employment-related issues. Before joining Hall Booth Smith, she worked for one of the country’s largest law firms, where she defended employers in a wide range of labor and employment matters, including wage and hour class actions under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), claims related to the New York State Human Rights Law (NSHRL), the New Jersey Law Against Discrimination (LAD), the Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA), the New Jersey Conscientious Employee Protection Act (CEPA), and Title VII.

Jackie was selected for inclusion as a New Jersey Rising Star by Super Lawyers® for six consecutive years (2010-2016), which honors the top 2.5% of young lawyers in New Jersey.

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Shylie Bannon, Partner, Hall Booth Smith

Shylie Bannon, Partner, Hall Booth Smith

Shylie Bannon is a Partner in Hall Booth Smith’s Jacksonville, Florida, office. She also serves as Hiring Partner for the region of Florida, where she oversees associate attorney hiring endeavors. Prior to joining Hall Booth Smith, Shylie was a partner in both a multi-state, multi-specialty firm and a boutique practice.

At Hall Booth Smith, Shylie continues to represent physicians, mid-level providers, and health care providers in high-exposure medical negligence claims and in administrative proceedings before the Florida Department of Health. She also represents national retailers in high-exposure premises liability, negligent security, and transportation litigation with our National Trial Counsel team.

In addition to litigating matters involving personal injury and negligence, Shylie also represents management in all aspects of employment-related litigation arising from allegations of sex, disability, race, and pregnancy discrimination; whistleblower actions; and alleged violations of the National Labor Relations Act and Fair Labor Standards. She does so in administrative proceedings before both the Florida Commission on Human Relations and the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, as well as in all of the state and federal courts in Florida. She also provides employment-related counsel to clients, helping them avoid employment-related litigation through the implementation of best employment, investigation, and risk management practices.

Shylie earned a Juris Doctor from the University of Florida Levin College of Law, cum laude, and graduated magna cum laude from Tulane University with a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science and History.

Shylie volunteers with the Guardian Ad Litem program and supports child welfare advocacy efforts in Northeast Florida. She is also a Member of the Board for the Jewish Federation & Foundation of Northeast Florida.

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About Hall Booth Smith, P.C.

Established in 1989, Hall Booth Smith, P.C. (HBS) is a full-service law firm headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia, with regional offices strategically located throughout Georgia and the United States. Experienced across a wide range of legal disciplines, HBS prides itself on providing knowledgeable, proactive, client-specific counsel to individuals, domestic and international corporations, state and federal agencies, and nonprofit organizations.

HBS possesses the legal knowledge, skill, and experience to meet their clients’ needs wherever they do business. HBS maintains the highest commitment to ethically and professionally serve their clients by providing the highest quality legal representation.

They deliver quality legal services in a variety of service areas. Experience across legal disciplines combined with a focus on the unique business or personal requirements of the client is the hallmark of the firm. Their clients receive the attention, expertise, and cost-effectiveness of a smaller law firm with the full-service and strong regional presence typical of a larger one.

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Disclaimer

Litigators Lounge is a production brought to you by Hall Booth Smith, PC. This podcast is published for the purposes of providing general information and education on topics which include those related to the law and legal issues, but the contents of the podcast do not constitute legal advice. Listening to this podcast or utilizing the information contained in it in any way does not constitute nor does it create an attorney-client relationship between you and Hall Booth Smith or its lawyers. The contents of this podcast should not be used as a substitute for competent legal advice from a professional attorney licensed in your jurisdiction.

Tagged With: agricultural workers, H2A visas, H2B visas, Hall Booth Smith P.C., I-9 compliance, immigration law, Jackie Voronov, migrant workers, Misty Borkowski, Misty Wilson Borkowski, seasonal workers, Shylie Bannon

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