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HR Issues That Derail a Business Exit | Cindi Filer

April 30, 2026 by John Ray

Cindi Filer, Innovative Outsourcing, on HR Issues That Derail a Business Exit (The Exit Exchange, Episode 27) with host John Ray
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Cindi Filer, Innovative Outsourcing, on HR Issues That Derail a Business Exit (The Exit Exchange, Episode 27)

In this episode of The Exit Exchange, host John Ray welcomes Cindi Filer, Founder and CEO of Innovative Outsourcing, to talk about why HR is so often the last thing business owners think about and why, when it comes to an exit, it can be the thing that unravels the whole deal.

Cindi makes the case that HR is not just a compliance checklist but a people strategy and that most small businesses have never treated it as one. She and John walk through the specific traps owners fall into: employees misclassified as exempt who were never owed overtime, 1099 contractors who should have been W-2 employees all along, I-9 documentation that nobody can locate, and attrition rates that look healthy on paper but mask a workforce full of employees no one has had the courage to let go. A buyer doing due diligence will find all of it and will discount the purchase price heavily, far more than the dollar value of the problem itself.

The host of The Exit Exchange is John Ray, and the show is produced by John Ray and North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, the North Fulton affiliate of Business RadioX®.

Key Takeaways from This Episode

  • Most small businesses have someone doing HR who has no HR background — a controller, an executive assistant, or the owner — and that gap compounds over time. By the time a company is heading toward an exit, the problems are usually larger than anyone realizes.
  • A buyer is not just buying numbers. When comparing two businesses with similar financials, a buyer will pay a higher multiple for the one with organizational health: trained leaders, documented processes, an engaged workforce, and a clean compliance record.
  • Misclassification of workers, whether exempt vs. non-exempt or employee vs. 1099 contractor, is one of the most common and costly HR errors found during due diligence. Back wages, fines, and reclassification costs can all become liabilities the buyer inherits, and they will price accordingly.
  • An HR Assessment and Roadmap, essentially an HR audit done well before going to market, gives a seller time to fix problems and produce a third-party evaluation of HR health that buyers find credible.
  • Artificially low employee salaries can look like a cost advantage but are actually a future liability. If employees leave during or after the transition and must be replaced at market rates, profitability projections fall apart fast.

Topics Discussed in this Episode

00:24 Cindi Filer and Innovative Outsourcing: what they do and who they serve
02:23 The sweet spot for fractional HR: companies from 4 to 60 employees
04:06 When to start thinking about HR in the context of exit planning
05:45 Why HR gets the short straw from day one, and the gap that never closes
07:55 HR Compass: making fractional HR affordable for the smallest businesses
09:20 Risk miscalculation: why owners don’t know what they don’t know
10:30 The aggregation trap: multiple companies, one owner, one threshold
11:10 The cost of non-compliance: fines, back wages, and the I-9 example
12:40 Two hours a month on organizational health: Cindi’s standing advice to CEOs
14:00 Attrition rates can lie: the difference between low turnover and a healthy workforce
15:45 Why buyers pay more for organizational health, not just good numbers
17:30 The people-are-the-numbers argument: workforce as both asset and liability
18:45 1099 misclassification and what it looks like in due diligence
20:30 What the engagement looks like when Innovative Outsourcing comes in pre-exit
22:00 The HR Assessment and Roadmap: the house inspection analogy
24:00 Buyers need a story, not just financials: making the case for HR health
25:30 The most common HR traps: exempt/non-exempt misclassification
27:15 When misclassification derails a sale at the last minute
28:30 Personal liability for owners: when it goes beyond the business
30:00 Golden handcuffs and succession planning: keeping people through a transition
31:00 Below-market salaries as a hidden liability for buyers
36:00 Buttoned-up HR as a signal of overall business quality
37:30 A success story: the six-employee health company that exited well

Cindi Filer

Cindi Filer is Founder and CEO of Innovative Outsourcing, which she started in 1994 after leaving the traditional workforce to raise her children. Her focus is on bringing practical, high-level HR to small businesses, helping owners improve staff culture, increase retention, and stay in compliance. She is a frequent speaker to CEO groups and conferences on HR topics, and she publishes a biweekly HR newsletter on LinkedIn.

Cindi graduated from Wake Forest University. She is married to Don, and they have two children, Matt and Emily.

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Innovative Outsourcing

Innovative Outsourcing is an Atlanta-based firm that has been providing HR and recruiting services to small businesses since 1994. The firm operates two main practice areas: consultative recruiting for part-time and full-time professional roles and fractional HR services for companies that need HR expertise without a full-time HR hire.

On the HR side, Innovative Outsourcing offers a range of engagement models, from HR Compass, a monthly fractional HR service starting at $500 per month, to the HR Assessment and Roadmap, a structured audit and planning tool designed to surface compliance gaps and people-strategy weaknesses. The firm works with companies from just a few employees up through those large enough to need an HR director, and its team includes consultants with decades of experience across HR compliance, talent management, and organizational development.

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The Exit Planning Exchange Atlanta

The Exit Planning Exchange Atlanta (XPX) is a diverse group of professionals with a common goal: working collaboratively to assist business owners with a sale or business transition. XPX Atlanta is an association of advisors who provide professionalism, principles, and education to the heart of the middle market.

Their members work with business owners through all stages of the private company life cycle: business value growth, business value transfer, and owner life and legacy. Their vision: to fundamentally change the trajectory of exit planning services in the Southeast United States. XPX Atlanta delivers a collaboration-based networking exchange with broad representation of exit planning competencies. Learn more about XPX Atlanta and why you should consider joining our community by following this link.

The host of The Exit Exchange is John Ray, and the show is produced by North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, the North Fulton affiliate of Business RadioX®, in Alpharetta. The show archive can be found by following this link.

John Ray Co. is a Gold Sponsor of XPX Atlanta.

Tagged With: 1099 contractors, attrition, business exit, Cindi Filer, due diligence, employee classification, employee retention, exempt non-exempt, exit planning, Fractional HR, HR Assessment and Roadmap, HR Compass, Human Resources, I-9 compliance, Innovative Outsourcing, John Ray, organizational health, people strategy, selling a business, Succession Planning, The Exit Exchange, The Exit Planning Exchange Atlanta, worker misclassification, XPX Atlanta

Fractional HR for Small Business: Stop Winging It

April 22, 2026 by John Ray

Kelsey Geist, Custom Human Resource Solutions (CHRS), on HR Compliance Risks, Fractional HR, and the Mistakes Small Businesses Make (North Fulton Business Radio, Episode 956) with host John Ray
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Kelsey Geist, Custom Human Resource Solutions (CHRS), on HR Compliance Risks, Fractional HR, and the Mistakes Small Businesses Make (North Fulton Business Radio, Episode 956)

In this episode of North Fulton Business Radio, host John Ray welcomes Kelsey Geist, Vice President of HR Operations at Custom Human Resource Solutions (CHRS), a fractional HR firm serving small- to mid-size businesses, most with fewer than 50 employees. Kelsey grew up around HR, with a mother who spent her career in the field, and she spent years insisting she would never follow that path. She eventually caught what she calls “the HR bug” and has now been with CHRS for over a decade.

The conversation digs into the most common mistakes small businesses make with HR: reactive rather than proactive thinking, inconsistent decisions between employees that quietly corrode culture, misclassifying workers under the Fair Labor Standards Act, and basic compliance gaps like missing I-9 documentation. Kelsey makes the case that bringing in a spouse, an admin, or a business partner to handle HR is not a sustainable solution. The problem is not just knowing the rules, she explains, but also having the experience to interpret specific situations and adapt in real time.

John and Kelsey also discuss AI in the HR context. While AI tools can help with tasks like screening resumes through applicant tracking systems, Kelsey is direct about the limits: AI cannot have the empathetic, relationship-informed conversations required to handle employee relations well, and HR documents written by AI without expert review are a real liability. She notes that experienced HR professionals and opposing attorneys can spot an AI-generated handbook quickly.

John Ray is the host of North Fulton Business Radio. The show is produced by John Ray and North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®, and is recorded inside Renasant Bank in Alpharetta.

Key Takeaways from This Episode

  • Small businesses often reach a compliance threshold, such as hiring their 10th employee in Georgia, without realizing new legal obligations have kicked in. Getting HR support before growth hits is far less costly than correcting violations after the fact.
  • Giving HR responsibilities to an untrained spouse, family member, or office manager tends to result in inconsistent decisions that quietly damage company culture and create legal exposure.
  • Fractional HR works best as a true partnership. CHRS makes recommendations and lays out the risk options, but the business owner makes the decisions and CHRS handles execution.
  • AI can help with efficiency in HR tasks like resume screening, but using it to generate employee handbooks or legal documents without expert review creates real legal risk. Experienced HR professionals, and opposing counsel, recognize AI-generated documents immediately.

Topics Discussed in this Episode

00:20 John Ray introduces the show and guest Kelsey Geist
01:53 Kelsey Geist introduces CHRS and its focus on small business fractional HR
02:38 How Kelsey came to work in HR, inspired by her mother’s career
04:07 Advocating for both businesses and employees, and what drives her work
06:27 The biggest HR mistakes small businesses make: reactivity, inconsistency, misclassification, and compliance gaps
10:20 Why handing HR to a spouse, family member, or office manager creates risk
14:04 Why HR is a strategic function, not a transactional one
15:17 How AI fits into HR: where it helps and where it falls short
20:40 What distinguishes CHRS: direct employee support and high-touch service
24:14 When should a small business owner call CHRS?
25:55 Client success story: building HR infrastructure from five employees to 25
28:24 The importance of partnership in an outsourced HR relationship
29:22 How to reach Kelsey Geist and CHRS

Kelsey Geist, Vice President of HR Operations

Kelsey has been an integral part of the CHRS leadership team since 2015, bringing over 15 years of human resources expertise to her role as Vice President of HR Operations. In this position, she not only leads and develops CHRS’s team of HR Consultants but also rolls up her sleeves every day to support clients directly.

A true HR generalist and high-level business partner, Kelsey thrives in both strategy and execution. She designs and drives people strategies for mid-sized businesses while also diving into the tactical and administrative details that keep HR moving. Whether it’s employee relations, compliance, recruiting, training, safety, or documentation, Kelsey’s ability to move seamlessly between the big picture and the day-to-day ensures clients receive both visionary guidance and practical, high-touch support.

Kelsey’s hands-on leadership has been pivotal in CHRS’s growth, helping nearly triple revenue post-COVID while solidifying the firm as a trusted HR partner nationwide. She is particularly skilled in navigating employee relations, multi-state employment practices, and tailoring solutions that are scalable, compliance-driven, and people-focused.

Originally from Southern California, Kelsey now resides in the metro-Atlanta area with her spouse and two children.

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Custom Human Resource Solutions (CHRS)

Custom Human Resource Solutions (CHRS) simplifies the complex world of HR, helping businesses navigate today’s ever-changing employment landscape with confidence. Grounded in client-centered excellence and compliance leadership, CHRS provides the HR support businesses need, when and how they need it.

Whether a business is looking for on-site, on-call, or hybrid services, the CHRS dedicated consulting team delivers real-time, practical solutions. From everyday administrative tasks to more advanced strategies like succession planning, performance management, and workplace investigations, CHRS is a dependable HR partner at every stage of the business journey.

With proven expertise, a commitment to compliance, and a focus on client success, CHRS helps organizations of all sizes identify vulnerabilities, streamline processes, and build stronger, more resilient teams.

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Renasant Bank supports North Fulton Business Radio

Renasant BankRenasant Bank has humble roots, having started in 1904 as a $100,000 bank located in a Lee County, Mississippi, bakery. Since then, Renasant has grown into one of the Southeast’s strongest financial institutions, boasting over $26 billion in assets and more than 280 offices offering banking, lending, wealth management, and financial services throughout the region. All of Renasant’s success stems from the commitment of each banker to invest in the communities they serve, which in turn helps them better understand the people they serve. At Renasant Bank, their banking professionals understand you because they work and live alongside you every day.

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Beyond Computer Solutions supports North Fulton Business Radio

Whether you’re a law firm, medical practice, or manufacturer, there’s one headline you don’t want to make: “Local Business Pays Thousands in Ransom After Cyberattack.” That’s where Beyond Computer Solutions comes in. They help organizations like yours stay out of the news and in business with managed IT and cybersecurity services designed for industries where compliance and reputation matter most.

Whether they serve as your complete IT department or simply support your internal team, they are well-versed in HIPAA, secure document access, written security policies, and other essential aspects that ensure your safety and well-being. Best of all, it starts with a complimentary security assessment.

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About North Fulton Business Radio and host John Ray

With over 900 episodes and having featured over 1,400 guests, North Fulton Business Radio is the longest-running podcast in the North Fulton area, covering business in our community like no one else. We are the undisputed “Voice of Business” in North Fulton!

The show invites a diverse range of business, non-profit, and community leaders to share their significant contributions to their respective markets, communities, and professions. There is no discrimination based on company size, and there is never any “pay to play.” North Fulton Business Radio supports and celebrates businesses by sharing positive stories that traditional media ignore. Some media lean left. Some media lean right. We lean business.

John Ray, host of  North Fulton Business Radio, and Owner, Ray Business Advisors
John Ray, host of North Fulton Business Radio and Owner, Ray Business Advisors

John Ray is the host of North Fulton Business Radio. John and the team at North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®, produce the show, which is recorded inside Renasant Bank in Alpharetta.

The studio is located at 275 South Main Street, Alpharetta, GA 30009.

You can find the entire archive of shows by following this link. The show is accessible on all major podcast apps, such as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Amazon, iHeart Radio, and many others.

John Ray, The Generosity MindsetJohn Ray also operates his own business advisory practice. John’s services include advising solopreneurs and small professional services firms on their value, their positioning and business development, and their pricing. His clients are professionals who are selling their expertise, such as consultants, coaches, attorneys, CPAs, accountants, bookkeepers, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

John is the author of the five-star-rated book The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices, praised by readers for its practical insights on raising confidence, value, and prices.

Tagged With: Beyond Computer Solutions, CHRS, Custom Human Resource Solutions, employee handbook, employee relations, Fair Labor Standards Act, Fractional HR, HR Compliance, HR consulting, Human Resources, John Ray, Kelsey Geist, North Fulton, North Fulton Business Radio, Outsourced HR, renasant bank, small business HR, Suwanee

Jeff Batts, Principle HR Solutions and Consulting, LLC

June 17, 2021 by John Ray

Nashville Business Radio
Nashville Business Radio
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Jeff Batts, Principle HR Solutions and Consulting, LLC (Nashville Business Radio, Episode 18)

Jeff Batts of Principle HR Solutions joined host John Ray to discuss his firm’s outsourced HR services for small and medium-sized businesses, the importance of maintaining a culture which attracts talent, how to handle issues such as Covid vaccinations and return to the workplace, and much more. Nashville Business Radio is produced virtually from the Nashville studio of Business RadioX®.

Principle HR Solutions and Consulting, LLC

Principle HR Solutions LLC was founded on a belief that people are the key driver to a company’s success.

They believe that ensuring clients have the “Right People” in the “Right Jobs” doing the “Right Work” in the “Right Environment” is the recipe for that success. They call it R to the 4th Power. Get the principles out of balance, try to run a business’ HR on your own, and the result is paperwork and pain.  Principle HR will power a client’s small to midsize business with the partnership-like relationships large firms enjoy.

Their process follows three steps:

Launch: The HR process begins with a thorough review of current processes and level of basic compliance. Formal recommendations are made for correction and alignment with sound practices.

Foundation: Addresses gaps and risk points in a sequential process.

Build-out: Principle HR begins the build-out of substantive client HR practices that are geared toward growth and client goals.

Prnciple also offers HR Solutions including:

  • Regulatory Compliance
  • Employee Coaching & Disciplinary Action
  • Investigations into Employee Conduct
  • Candidate Sourcing & Interviewing
  • Human Resource Auditing
  • Employee Orientation and Onboarding
  • Performance Evaluation Development & Execution

Company website | LinkedIn

Jeff Batts, President, Principle HR Solutions & Consulting, LLC

Principle HR Solutions
Jeff Batts, President, Principle HR Solutions

Jeff Batts is the owner of Principle HR Solutions & Consulting, LLC. His career started in Human Resources working in a variety of HR roles at a manufacturer, CPS Corporation in Franklin, TN. There, he developed his foundations for recruiting and people management growing into the plant Human Resource and Safety Manager. Leaving there he expanded his knowledge and experience in differing industries by working at Gaylord Entertainment as the Recruiting Manager and Human Resource Manager.

Before launching Principle HR Solutions, Jeff spent the final 17 years of his corporate life in the financial services industry with Regions Bank, serving as a Senior Vice President and Human Resource Executive for both the Insurance and Consumer Lending Divisions. With 30 years of combined HR experience, Jeff provides a well-rounded view of all aspects of the HR function.

Living in Nashville, Jeff has focused his business on providing small and midsize organizations the same resources he had in his corporate roles, understanding that they needed to be scaled and tailored to each client’s specific needs. Much of Jeff’s career has been focused on working with leaders to help them solve people issues and develop the skills needed to lead at all levels. He regularly has coached owners and executive vice presidents down to front-line supervisors.

Jeff is a certified partner with the Predictive Index as well as certified to train and implement Talent Optimization practices in organizations. Principle HR Solutions is also a proud member of the Better Business Bureau of Middle Tennessee.

The foundation of his life is his family. Jeff is married to Tiffany, his wife and best friend for 28 years. They have three sons, Chandler 25 as well as 22-year-old twins, Justin and Brendan. When not working with clients or volunteering, Jeff spends his time with family.

With a passion for child development, Jeff is currently a mentor/volunteer with Nashville-based Youth Encouragement Services along with serving on the President’s Advisory Board at Ezell Harding Christian School.

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Questions and Topics in This Interview

  • Your history in Nashville and what motivated you to start the business
  • HR Solutions, what do you really do?
  • Biggest people challenges facing small and midsize business today?
  • How are you unique in the market place and why did you decide on this way of offering business solutions?
  • What does your typical client look like?
  • Besides retained, full-service HR services, what are your other offerings?
  • Why are you passionate about small business?
  • Do you work outside of Nashville?

“Nashville Business Radio” is hosted by John Ray and produced virtually from the Nashville studio of Business RadioX®.  You can find the full archive of shows by following this link. The show is available on all the major podcast apps, including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Amazon, iHeart Radio, Stitcher, TuneIn, and others.

Tagged With: Fractional HR, HR services, Human Resources, Human Resources Consulting, human resources for small business, Jeff Batts, Principle HR Solutions

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