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Sherry Heyl on Change: Learn to Love the Rollercoaster

April 14, 2026 by John Ray

Sherry Heyl, Amplified Concepts, on Learn to Love the Rollercoaster, the PATH Framework, and Leading Change in an AI Era (North Fulton Business Radio, Episode 950) with host John Ray
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Sherry Heyl, Amplified Concepts, on Learn to Love the Rollercoaster, the PATH Framework, and Leading Change in an AI Era (North Fulton Business Radio, Episode 950)

In this episode of North Fulton Business Radio, host John Ray welcomes Sherry Heyl, founder and CEO of Amplified Concepts, to talk about change leadership, the human cost of fear-driven organizations, and why most businesses are approaching AI adoption all wrong.

Sherry’s new book, Learn to Love the Rollercoaster: Stories of Change, Resilience, and the Future to Come, anchors the conversation. The rollercoaster metaphor gets at something real: as people accumulate more to lose, they naturally crave stability. But in today’s environment, Sherry argues, you cannot stay on the ground. The question is how to navigate the ride rather than resist it. Her PATH Framework, developed over two decades of working with organizations through disruption, starts with identifying what is already working before addressing what needs to change, a deliberate counter to the reactive impulse that fear produces.

One of the sharpest points in the conversation concerns agency in the workplace. Sherry describes how fear of job loss turns employees into compliant, innovation-free robots and how organizations that strip agency from their people end up getting exactly what they asked for: workers who can now be replaced by actual automation. She also shares a client story involving a Dungeons and Dragons workshop, complete with a purple witch hat, that broke through organizational defensiveness in a way no traditional meeting ever could.

John Ray is the host of North Fulton Business Radio. The show is produced by John Ray and North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®, and is recorded inside Renasant Bank in Alpharetta.

Key Takeaways from This Episode

  • Fear narrows imagination and leaves people and organizations vulnerable to manipulation and missed opportunity; Sherry’s PATH Framework counters this by starting with what is already working before assessing what needs to change.
  • Stripping agency from employees in the name of productivity trains people to act like robots, and now the robots are better; restoring self-directedness is central to competitive advantage in the AI era.
  • AI adoption is not a bolt-on project. Businesses need to rethink their entire operating model, not just acquire tools that speed up existing tasks.
  • The most effective change initiatives begin at the grassroots level, rather than from the top, allowing employees to have a say in the process before the strategy is finalized.

Topics Discussed in this Episode

Learn to Love the Rollercoaster: Stories of Change, Resilience, and the Future to Come book cover00:20 John Ray introduces Sherry Heyl and Amplified Concepts
02:25 The rollercoaster metaphor and why people become risk-averse over time
04:27 The movie Parenthood connection and embracing uncertainty
06:10 Fear narrows imagination: the psychology behind reactive thinking
08:31 Background in social media and early lessons about chasing shiny objects
09:13 The PATH Framework introduced through a personal story
13:26 Agency vs. control, and what happens when organizations strip self-directedness
15:50 How training people to be efficient robots set the stage for AI displacement
18:16 Speed without reflection: why AI rollouts often expose organizational problems
20:21 The two kinds of clients Sherry works best with
22:24 Change leadership vs. change management: a critical reframe
23:24 Leaning into emotions and the value of ground-up strategy
24:30 Symptoms that signal a business needs Amplified Concepts
26:14 The Dungeons and Dragons workshop story
29:18 How to find Sherry and the book

Sherry Heyl, Founder and Change Leader, Amplified Concepts

Sherry Heyl
Sherry Heyl

Sherry Heyl is a strategy and transformation consultant, author, and founder of Amplified Concepts, where she helps leaders navigate complex change in an era defined by rapid technological and cultural shifts. With a career spanning more than two decades across recruitment, digital marketing, and business consulting, Sherry brings a combination of business strategy, people insight, and operational pragmatism to the organizations she serves.

Sherry is the creator of the PATH Framework, Present, Assess, Transition, Harness, a practical methodology designed to help organizations understand what is working, identify what must change, guide teams through transition, and sustain progress over time. Her perspective challenges the common belief that change is primarily a technology problem, arguing instead that the real competitive advantage comes from aligning people, process, and leadership.

Sherry is also the author of Learn to Love the Rollercoaster: Stories of Change, Resilience, and the Future to Come.

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Amplified Concepts

Amplified Concepts is a strategy and transformation firm that helps small to mid-sized businesses navigate complex change in an era defined by rapid technological advancement, evolving workforce expectations, and increasing competitive pressure.

Founded by Sherry Heyl, the firm works with leadership teams to align people, strategy, and technology so organizations can move forward with clarity and confidence rather than reacting to disruption. At the core of the work is the PATH Framework, Present, Assess, Transition, Harness, a structured methodology that helps organizations understand what is already working, identify what must change, guide teams through transition, and build systems that sustain progress.

Amplified Concepts supports organizations through strategic advisory, leadership workshops, facilitated strategy sessions, and training programs designed to improve communication, decision-making, and organizational alignment. The firm works with founders, executives, HR leaders, and management teams who recognize that the pace of change has accelerated and who want to build organizations that are more adaptive, more collaborative, and better prepared for what comes next.

Website | Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Learn to Love the Rollercoaster

Renasant Bank supports North Fulton Business Radio

Renasant BankRenasant Bank has humble roots, having started in 1904 as a $100,000 bank located in a Lee County, Mississippi, bakery. Since then, Renasant has grown into one of the Southeast’s strongest financial institutions, boasting over $26 billion in assets and more than 280 offices offering banking, lending, wealth management, and financial services throughout the region. All of Renasant’s success stems from the commitment of each banker to invest in the communities they serve, which in turn helps them better understand the people they serve. At Renasant Bank, their banking professionals understand you because they work and live alongside you every day.

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Beyond Computer Solutions supports North Fulton Business Radio

Whether you’re a law firm, medical practice, or manufacturer, there’s one headline you don’t want to make: “Local Business Pays Thousands in Ransom After Cyberattack.” That’s where Beyond Computer Solutions comes in. They help organizations like yours stay out of the news and in business with managed IT and cybersecurity services designed for industries where compliance and reputation matter most.

Whether they serve as your complete IT department or simply support your internal team, they are well-versed in HIPAA, secure document access, written security policies, and other essential aspects that ensure your safety and well-being. Best of all, it starts with a complimentary security assessment.

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About North Fulton Business Radio and host John Ray

With over 900 episodes and having featured over 1,400 guests, North Fulton Business Radio is the longest-running podcast in the North Fulton area, covering business in our community like no one else. We are the undisputed “Voice of Business” in North Fulton!

The show invites a diverse range of business, non-profit, and community leaders to share their significant contributions to their respective markets, communities, and professions. There is no discrimination based on company size, and there is never any “pay to play.” North Fulton Business Radio supports and celebrates businesses by sharing positive stories that traditional media ignore. Some media lean left. Some media lean right. We lean business.

John Ray, host of  North Fulton Business Radio, and Owner, Ray Business Advisors
John Ray, host of North Fulton Business Radio and Owner, Ray Business Advisors

John Ray is the host of North Fulton Business Radio. John and the team at North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®, produce the show, which is recorded inside Renasant Bank in Alpharetta.

The studio is located at 275 South Main Street, Alpharetta, GA 30009.

You can find the entire archive of shows by following this link. The show is accessible on all major podcast apps, such as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Amazon, iHeart Radio, and many others.

John Ray, The Generosity MindsetJohn Ray also operates his own business advisory practice. John’s services include advising solopreneurs and small professional services firms on their value, their positioning and business development, and their pricing. His clients are professionals who are selling their expertise, such as consultants, coaches, attorneys, CPAs, accountants, bookkeepers, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

John is the author of the five-star-rated book The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices, praised by readers for its practical insights on raising confidence, value, and prices.

 

Tagged With: agency, AI, AI strategy, Amplified Concepts, Beyond Computer Solutions, business resilience, Change Leadership, change management, John Ray, Learn to Love the Rollercoaster, North Fulton Business Radio, Organizational Change, PATH Framework, renasant bank, Sherry Heyl, technology adoption

Reimagining Work With Tim Creasey E101

April 28, 2022 by Karen

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In this episode of Project Management Office Hours, PMO Joe chats with the Chief Innovation Officer of Prosci, Tim Creasey. Tim is a returning guest and while they discuss change management, much of the episode is focused on the future of work and reimagining work in our post-covid world.

Tim Creasey is an author, researcher, and change expert who focuses on the people side of change with process, wit and vigor. Tim’s work forms the foundation of the world’s largest body of knowledge on change management. His role as Chief Innovation Officer at Prosci gives him unparalleled insight into change management challenges, trends and futures.

One of the concepts Tim shared is the mindset of reentry or reimagining the workplace. He said, “even in April 2020, like reentry is you’re driving down 15, you get off the highway, get gas, you get back on 15, you reentered the road that you departed from. But the road we were on wasn’t going to be there even back in April 2020.” We are now reimagining what work will be like for us.

The concept of gathering has been lost in some respect as we’ve lived in a remote work environment. Tim shared, “Gathering matters. Even though we can do almost anything apart. Gathering matters. And so how are we going to be strategic, intentional, really thoughtful when we are able to share space and make the most of the time, we share space. And let’s not default to thinking we have to share space just because that’s the way we used to always do things.

Tim and PMO Joe continue their discussion about the future of work, reconnecting, technology and the digital revolution. Be sure to catch all the conversation and listen to the full episode: https://www.thepmosquad.com/podcasts/project-management-office-hours/episodes/2147725443

Connect with Tim:

Company Website – http://www.prosci.com

LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/timcreasey/

To see the guest list for upcoming shows – https://www.thepmosquad.com/podcast

Thank you to THE PMO SQUAD and The PMO Leader for sponsoring this show.

The PMO Squad is a leading provider of PMO and Project Management services in the US. They assist clients building and improving PMOs, provide Project Management Consulting services, deliver custom Project Management Training and provide Project Management staffing services.
Learn more about The PMO Squad – www.thepmosquad.com

Where do PMO Leaders go for Information, Learning, Networking and Services? The PMO Leader community has “Everything You Need to Become a Great PMO Leader”. One PMO World, One Community!
Learn more about The PMO Leader – www.thepmoleader.com

Prosci is passionate about helping organizations build effective change capabilities. Prosci’s skilled facilitators and experienced advisors combine scientific principles and a focus on the people side of change to deliver superior training programs, maintain the world’s largest body of change management knowledge, and ensure exceptional customer experiences.

Tim-Creasey-PMOHTim Creasey is an author, researcher, and change expert who focuses on the people side of change with process, wit and vigor. Tim’s work forms the foundation of the world’s largest body of knowledge on change management.

His role as Chief Innovation Officer at Prosci gives him unparalleled insight into change management challenges, trends and futures. Tim’s background in economics gives him a data rich, analytic perspective.

Having spoken to hundreds of thousands of people around the globe, Tim is authentic, knowledgeable, and unassumingly funny. He enables audiences with valuable data and actionable information.

Follow Prosci on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram.

ABOUT PROJECT MANAGEMENT OFFICE HOURS SERIES

Project Management Office Hours is intended to provide Project Management professionals a place to drop in and discuss Success Stories, Best Practices, and Lessons Learned.  Project Management Consultant Joy Gumz has shared with us, “Operations keep the lights on, strategy provides the light at the end of the tunnel, but project management is the train engine that moves the organization forward.”

Each of us has a unique story to tell, but collectively we share a message that organizations who embrace Project Management Best Practices perform better than those which don’t.  Organizations which align Projects to Strategy perform better.  Organizations with Engage Executive Sponsors deliver better results.  Organizations which measure Project Management performance outperform those which don’t.

During our Project Management Office Hours, we hear directly from Industry leaders how to make an impact in our profession. How we, collectively, will Advance Project Management Best Practices, One Listener at a time! 

ABOUT YOUR HOST

Joe Pusz started THE PMO SQUAD to bring real world PMO Leadership experience to the consulting space and to advocate for Project Management through his blog PMOJOE.com. The old saying is “Do what you love and you’ll never work a day in your life.” Following this mindset Joe left Corporate America in 2013 to start THE PMO SQUAD and work with fellow Natural Born Project Managers to advance Project Management Best Practices.

ABOUT OUR SPONSOR

THE PMO SQUAD focuses exclusively on PMO and Project Management consulting. Corporate America is full of Accidental Project Managers running projects who haven’t been trained to be PMs. To help solve this problem THE PMO SQUAD is on the Leading Edge with PMO As a Service. PMO As a Service allows our clients to focus on their respective core competencies while THE PMO SQUAD delivers Project Management expertise. Contact Joe at 678-591-7868. Follow The PMO Squad on LinkedIn, Twitter and Facebook.

Where do PMO Leaders go for Information, Learning, Networking and Services? The PMO Leader community has “Everything You Need to Become a Great PMO Leader”. One PMO World, One Community! Learn more about The PMO Leader – www.thepmoleader.com

Tagged With: Change Leadership, change management, change management research, Organizational Change

E86 Understanding Change Management with Tim Creasey

September 8, 2021 by Karen

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In this episode of Project Management Office Hours, Tim Creasey joins PMO Joe to discuss Change Management, ADKAR, Prosci, and the Boston Red Sox.

“My personal AHA! is to help people see change. The challenges of change is unlockable because most of the time I think we have the answers within and how do we see the challenges in front of us is something that we can unlock.” -Tim Creasey

PMO Joe and Tim talk about using complimentary disciplines with a common objective. Project Management and Change Management are complementary in nature in terms of aligning on the fact that we’re both here to land this change to the best value to the organization. Tim suggests that if we agree on the horizon, change management and project management are expected allies, or expected collaborators in that journey.

“Project management prepares the solution for the organization. Change management prepares the organization for the solution.”

Thank you to THE PMO SQUAD and The PMO Leader for sponsoring this show.
Learn more about The PMO Squad – www.thepmosquad.com
Learn more about The PMO Leader – www.thepmoleader.com

Prosci is passionate about helping organizations build effective change capabilities. Prosci’s skilled facilitators and experienced advisors combine scientific principles and a focus on the people side of change to deliver superior training programs, maintain the world’s largest body of change management knowledge, and ensure exceptional customer experiences.

Tim-Creasey-Project-Management-Office-HoursTim Creasey is an author, researcher, and change expert who focuses on the people side of change with process, wit and vigor. Tim’s work forms the foundation of the world’s largest body of knowledge on change management.

His role as Chief Innovation Officer at Prosci gives him unparalleled insight into change management challenges, trends and futures. Tim’s background in economics gives him a data rich, analytic perspective. Prosci-logo

Having spoken to hundreds of thousands of people around the globe, Tim is authentic, knowledgeable, and unassumingly funny. He enables audiences with valuable data and actionable information.

Connect with Tim on LinkedIn and follow Prosci on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram.

ABOUT PROJECT MANAGEMENT OFFICE HOURS SERIES

Project Management Office Hours is intended to provide Project Management professionals a place to drop in and discuss Success Stories, Best Practices, and Lessons Learned.  Project Management Consultant Joy Gumz has shared with us, “Operations keep the lights on, strategy provides the light at the end of the tunnel, but project management is the train engine that moves the organization forward.”

Each of us has a unique story to tell, but collectively we share a message that organizations who embrace Project Management Best Practices perform better than those which don’t.  Organizations which align Projects to Strategy perform better.  Organizations with Engage Executive Sponsors deliver better results.  Organizations which measure Project Management performance outperform those which don’t.

During our Project Management Office Hours, we hear directly from Industry leaders how to make an impact in our profession. How we, collectively, will Advance Project Management Best Practices, One Listener at a time! 

ABOUT YOUR HOST

Joe Pusz started THE PMO SQUAD to bring real world PMO Leadership experience to the consulting space and to advocate for Project Management through his blog PMOJOE.com. The old saying is “Do what you love and you’ll never work a day in your life.” Following this mindset Joe left Corporate America in 2013 to start THE PMO SQUAD and work with fellow Natural Born Project Managers to advance Project Management Best Practices.

ABOUT OUR SPONSOR

THE PMO SQUAD focuses exclusively on PMO and Project Management consulting. Corporate America is full of Accidental Project Managers running projects who haven’t been trained to be PMs. To help solve this problem THE PMO SQUAD is on the Leading Edge with PMO As a Service. PMO As a Service allows our clients to focus on their respective core competencies while THE PMO SQUAD delivers Project Management expertise. Contact Joe at 678-591-7868. Follow The PMO Squad on LinkedIn, Twitter and Facebook.

Where do PMO Leaders go for Information, Learning, Networking and Services? The PMO Leader community has “Everything You Need to Become a Great PMO Leader”. One PMO World, One Community! Learn more about The PMO Leader – www.thepmoleader.com

Tagged With: Change Leadership, change management, change management research, Organizational Change

E79 The Benefits of Diversity in the Project Management Community with Alana Hill

May 27, 2021 by Karen

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In this episode of Project Management Office Hours, Alana Hill shares her story with us and we learn that although there has been some progress we still have a way to go with gender and racial diversity within the project management community. Alana and PMO Joe discuss the benefits of diversity within our industry and within your own career. What does your contact list look like? If they all are the same, how do they challenge you, but also allow for creative thinking? Alana shared, “The more we are aware of building relationships outside of our identity, the more we advance the cause of everyone.”

Alana shares the back-story for her book, What’s Your Catalyst, The Power of Managed Change. We learn the importance of a balance between IQ and EQ to improve team performance. We also learn the influence of coaches and role models on her life and the origin of her nickname, “Georgia.

To hear what Alana is working on next, listen to the full episode and subscribe to the podcast – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/project-management-office-hours/id1398533604

“Lead change the Mrs. Engineer Way” and connect with Alana on LinkedIn and Ms. Engineer Way

Lastly, we want to thank THE PMO SQUAD and The PMO Leader for sponsoring this show.
Learn more about The PMO Squad www.thepmosquad.com
Learn more about The PMO Leader www.thepmoleader.com

2Hill Consulting was founded in 2006 by the firm’s principal consultant, Alana M. Hill, PMP, with one goal: to maximize the potential of people to succeed. Alana was motivated to bring her real-world, Fortune 100 talent development and change management experience to organizations of all sizes. Her affinity for processes and solutions has led to the success of numerous international projects helping people and organizations innovate for maximum productivity. 2Hill-Consulting-Services

2Hill is dedicated to developing Change Leaders through the delivery of world-class training and coaching. Effectiveness boils down to people and processes. Combining Project Management expertise, DISC personality assessments, and Change Management methodologies, they help people and teams lead themselves from surviving to thriving.

Alana-Hill-Project-Management-Office-HoursAlana Hill is an international change leadership expert, inspiring professionals to lead change in their lives and their organizations. She is a passionate energy industry veteran who has paved the way for women leaders, with a focus on women of color.

Her experience as an engineer and certified Project Management Professional (PMP) in talent development provides real‐world insight into how people and teams can excel, even in the face of adversity. Throughout her career, Alana has led diverse teams and delivered high-impact workshops all over the world!

She is an engaging and dynamic keynote speaker and facilitator, appealing to audiences of various types and sizes. Alana makes a lasting impact at conferences, corporations, colleges, and churches, delivering high-energy, principle-based content.

Her programs will move you to overcome adversity, build resilience, and convey empathy. She is the author of What’s Your Catalyst? The Power of Managed Change where she guides her readers to discover how purpose and passion can drive strategic change at home and at work.

With over 20 years of cross-functional leadership and training expertise, Alana helps individuals and organizations accomplish their goals by utilizing sharp analysis, strategic planning, and interpersonal skills development. She helps leaders balance cognitive ability (IQ) and emotional intelligence (EQ) to improve team dynamics and performance.

Alana provides her clients with a combination of critical thinking and compassionate leadership, which she labels “Leading Change the Ms. Engineer Way®”. She has proudly served global Fortune 500 corporations, small technology companies, and non-profits. Her authenticity and adaptability make her an asset across the professional spectrum.

Connect with Alana on LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram.

ABOUT PROJECT MANAGEMENT OFFICE HOURS SERIES

Project Management Office Hours is intended to provide Project Management professionals a place to drop in and discuss Success Stories, Best Practices, and Lessons Learned.  Project Management Consultant Joy Gumz has shared with us, “Operations keep the lights on, strategy provides the light at the end of the tunnel, but project management is the train engine that moves the organization forward.”

Each of us has a unique story to tell, but collectively we share a message that organizations who embrace Project Management Best Practices perform better than those which don’t.  Organizations which align Projects to Strategy perform better.  Organizations with Engage Executive Sponsors deliver better results.  Organizations which measure Project Management performance outperform those which don’t.

During our Project Management Office Hours, we hear directly from Industry leaders how to make an impact in our profession. How we, collectively, will Advance Project Management Best Practices, One Listener at a time! 

ABOUT YOUR HOST

Joe Pusz started THE PMO SQUAD to bring real world PMO Leadership experience to the consulting space and to advocate for Project Management through his blog PMOJOE.com. The old saying is “Do what you love and you’ll never work a day in your life.” Following this mindset Joe left Corporate America in 2013 to start THE PMO SQUAD and work with fellow Natural Born Project Managers to advance Project Management Best Practices.

ABOUT OUR SPONSOR

THE PMO SQUAD focuses exclusively on PMO and Project Management consulting. Corporate America is full of Accidental Project Managers running projects who haven’t been trained to be PMs. To help solve this problem THE PMO SQUAD is on the Leading Edge with PMO As a Service. PMO As a Service allows our clients to focus on their respective core competencies while THE PMO SQUAD delivers Project Management expertise. Contact Joe at 678-591-7868. Follow The PMO Squad on LinkedIn, Twitter and Facebook.

Where do PMO Leaders go for Information, Learning, Networking and Services? The PMO Leader community has “Everything You Need to Become a Great PMO Leader”. One PMO World, One Community! Learn more about The PMO Leader – www.thepmoleader.com

Tagged With: 2Hil, business ownership, Change Leadership, DEI, Diversity Equity and Inclusion, PMO JOE, PMO Leader, PMO Squad, PMP, project management

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