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Jennifer Overturf, Ray’s at Killer Creek

July 8, 2021 by John Ray

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Jennifer Overturf, Ray’s at Killer Creek (North Fulton Business Radio, Episode 368)

Sales & Events Manager Jennifer Overturf, Ray’s at Killer Creek, joined host John Ray to discuss their new chef, a menu with old favorites and new, delicious seasonal options, gorgeous outdoor and indoor dining, and why Ray’s at Killer Creek is such a great choice for memorable events.  North Fulton Business Radio is broadcast from the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX® inside Renasant Bank in Alpharetta.

Ray’s Restaurants

Since 1984, Ray’s Restaurants have won countless culinary awards and become an important part of the communities they serve.

We are passionate about providing the freshest seafood flown in daily, prime steaks, our extensive wine list recognized by Wine Spectator, and knowledgeable, attentive service.

Founded by renowned restaurant industry veteran Ray Schoenbaum, Marietta-based Ray’s Restaurants, LLC, is comprised of Ray’s on the River, Ray’s in the City and Ray’s at Killer Creek. Each restaurant features an award-winning menu with an emphasis on fresh fish flown in daily from the Atlantic and Pacific, house-cut chops, prime steaks and extensive wine offerings from around the world.

Since opening, Ray’s Restaurants have been delighting guests as premier private event venues. Their team includes award-winning chefs, a highly trained service staff and a dedicated events manager that will work with you every step of the way as you plan your event.

Whether you’re hosting a corporate event, cocktail party, luncheon, dinner, meeting, shower, wedding reception, bat/bar mitzvah or rehearsal dinner, they can offer you and your guests a truly memorable event. They have a variety of private event spaces that can accommodate up to 180 guests. Complete restaurant buy-outs are also available.

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Jennifer Overturf, Sales & Events Manager, Ray’s at Killer Creek

Jennifer Overturf, Sales & Events Manager, Ray’s at Killer Creek

Bringing more than a decade of restaurant and hospitality experience to the Ray’s Restaurants team, Jennifer Overturf’s passion for serving others led her to Ray’s at Killer Creek. She currently serves as sales and events manager, overseeing the Alpharetta location’s special events, coordinating private reservations and developing relationships to help Ray’s at Killer Creek maintain close ties with its community. Jennifer’s leadership and enthusiasm for the industry has helped her to push the already outstanding Ray’s at Killer Creek team to be first-class in everything they do.

Jennifer moved to Atlanta in 2009 and began her hospitality journey in a local coffee shop, then moved to bartending and restaurant management before returning to school in 2012. Prior to her time with Ray’s Restaurants, Jennifer received a dual degree in accounting and management from Georgia State University. She joined the Ray’s in the City team as a server and bartender in 2016, then worked her way up the ranks to events associate before transitioning to Ray’s at Killer Creek in early 2020. Overturf continues to challenge herself by studying wine through Ray’s Restaurants’ wine education program, and she has completed a Level 3 Certification from the Wine and Spirit Education Trust, alongside the Introductory Sommelier Certification from the Court of Master Sommeliers.

Professionally, Jennifer enjoys bringing her passion for taking care of others on the restaurant team. When she is not coordinating events, Jennifer can be found gardening, cooking and experimenting with preserving heirloom vegetables.

Questions and Topics in This Interview

  • Private Events at Ray’s – how to get started and what details to consider before you book
  • Outdoor dining
  • Killer Creek’s new menu – New Chef
  • Frequent Diner Cards/Ray’s Loyalty program
  • Special Events & Happy Hour – getting the most out of your Ray’s experience
  • Creating Memories

North Fulton Business Radio is hosted by John Ray, and broadcast and produced from the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX® inside Renasant Bank in Alpharetta. You can find the full archive of shows by following this link. The show is available on all the major podcast apps, including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Amazon, iHeart Radio, Stitcher, TuneIn, and others.

Renasant Bank has humble roots, starting in 1904 as a $100,000 bank in a Lee County, Mississippi, bakery. Since then, Renasant has grown to become one of the Southeast’s strongest financial institutions with over $13 billion in assets and more than 190 banking, lending, wealth management and financial services offices in Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia and Florida. All of Renasant’s success stems from each of their banker’s commitment to investing in their communities as a way of better understanding the people they serve. At Renasant Bank, they understand you because they work and live alongside you every day.

Tagged With: Alpharetta, corporate events, events, Fine Dining, Jennifer Overturf, North Fulton Business Radio, Ray's at Killer Creek, Ray's restaurants

Advice for Veterans Thinking about Entrepreneurship, with Troy Cobb, Marine Corps Veteran and Owner, Cinch IT

July 8, 2021 by John Ray

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Advice for Veterans Thinking about Entrepreneurship, with Troy Cobb, Marine Corps Veteran and Owner, Cinch IT

Troy Cobb: [00:00:00] I think the biggest piece of that is knowing yourself. Know yourself and know your limitations and what you can handle. When you become an entrepreneur, and you give up on that, I know in the Marine Corps and any service, you’re used to that check on the 1st and the 15th. When you become an entrepreneur, you’re not going to see a check on the 1st and the 15th. In fact, you’re going to see your bank account start going down before it starts going up. And that’s a tough thing to look at-

Mike Blake: [00:00:28] Sure

Troy Cobb: [00:00:28] — and experience, and you got to be ready for that. And you just got to have faith in yourself and faith in the system, whatever the system may be, whether you’re running your own business without a franchise model or if you’re with a franchise model, where what’s nice about it is you’ve got a model and they’ve shown that it works. And so, you just have to stick with the model. What’s tough with being a business owner without a franchise model is you got to trust that you are doing the right thing. And if you have the experience, you know, then it’s not a problem. But it’s great having that franchise model that you know can work, and you just stick to the model, and you start to see it work, and the victories you have as a business owner, just incredible. It’s a much better experience or much more intense experience than when I was a salesperson. I’d get that PO, and I’d feel great. But now that I’m a business owner, and I win that contract or win that PO, it feels even better. I just can’t explain the excitement. And then, there’s also disappointments too. You got to take those. That’s part of the game, right?

Mike Blake: [00:01:35] Sure.

Troy Cobb: [00:01:36] There’s no way you’re not going to have any disappointments as well

Troy Cobb, Owner/Sales Director, Cinch I.T.

Troy Cobb became the owner and sales director for the Cinch I.T. Atlanta office in January 2020.

Troy is a USMC Desert Shield/Storm Veteran with over 20 years of experience in the I.T. industry. Originally from New Jersey. he has lived in Atlanta for over twenty years.

 He is married to Tanya Cobb, an incredible Nurse/Hero at Emory University Midtown Hospital.

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Listen to the complete North Fulton Business Radio interview here. 


The “One Minute Interview” series is produced by John Ray and in the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX® in Alpharetta. You can find the full archive of shows by following this link.

Renasant Bank has humble roots, starting in 1904 as a $100,000 bank in a Lee County, Mississippi, bakery. Since then, Renasant has grown to become one of the Southeast’s strongest financial institutions with over $13 billion in assets and more than 190 banking, lending, wealth management and financial services offices in Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia and Florida. All of Renasant’s success stems from each of their banker’s commitment to investing in their communities as a way of better understanding the people they serve. At Renasant Bank, they understand you because they work and live alongside you every day.

Tagged With: Cinch IT

R3 Continuum Playbook: Workplace Violence Prevention

July 8, 2021 by John Ray

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R3 Continuum Playbook: Workplace Violence Prevention

Dr. Jennifer Kurtz, Clinical Director over Fitness for Duty and Threat Consultation Services at R3 Continuum, presented a snapshot of the challenge of workplace violence, the training needed to prevent workplace violence, and the need for threat management teams in the workplace. The R3 Continuum Playbook is presented by R3 Continuum and is produced by the Minneapolis-St.Paul Studio of Business RadioX®. R3 Continuum is the underwriter of Workplace MVP, the show which celebrates heroes in the workplace.

TRANSCRIPT

Intro: [00:00:00] Broadcasting from the Business RadioX Studios, here is your R3 Continuum Playbook. Brought to you by Workplace MVP sponsor, R3 Continuum, a global leader in workplace behavioral health, crisis, and security solutions.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:00:14] Hello. I’m Dr. Jennifer Kurtz, and I am the Clinical Director over Fitness for Duty and Threat Consultation Services at R3 Continuum. Today, I want to talk about an issue that keeps some employers up at night, workplace violence and how to prevent it. There’s roughly two million victims of workplace violence every year in the United States. Just this year, just recently, on June 15th in Albertville, Alabama, Andreas Horton, a longtime employee of the Mueller Water Products factory, shot and killed two and injured another two. After, another Mueller company, the Henry Pratt facility in Aurora, Illinois, had an employee kill five just 28 months earlier.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:01:04] On May 26th of this year in San Jose, California at the Santa Clara Valley Transit Authority, a transit worker named Samuel James Cassidy, who was an employee for over a decade, shot and killed nine. And on April 15th, at a FedEx warehouse in Indianapolis, Indiana, a former employee, Brandon Scott Hole, killed eight and wounded five. These are examples that have happened just in the past three months, and they don’t even include five mass shootings that occurred in just the last week of June alone in two parking lots, two nightclubs, and an American Legion that was hosting a party for teenagers. Those occurred just in one week in June.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:02:00] According to the U.S. Department of Labor, in 2019, which is the most recent year for which we have this kind of data, there were 5,333 workplace fatalities, 16 percent of which were due to workplace violence. Contrary to popular opinion, people do not just snap. There are always warning signs that a violent act might be coming soon. You just have to know what to look for. And if you do know what to look for, many times these violent acts can be prevented.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:02:36] You just don’t usually hear about all the mass violence plans that get prevented or that never take place. For example, Eric Lin in Miami, Florida. He was a man who had been stalking and harassing a restaurant employee. And he was ultimately prevented from kidnapping that employee. Or Rodolfo Montoya in Long Beach, California. He was a hotel cook who was unhappy with the decision H.R. had made, and he had planned to shoot people as they came into the hotel lobby. Or Paul Stieber in High Point, North Carolina. He had planned to kill people at High Point University by a deadline of Christmas 2019 because he was tired of feeling like an outcast.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:03:30] These potential tragedies were averted because employees, and employers, students, and law enforcement were all trained in recognizing risk factors and warning signs. They knew how and when to report their concerns. There were systems by which to document the reports and monitor the cases. And law enforcement and the appropriate external resources were brought in at the right time so that nobody got hurt.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:04:07] Now, despite how successful these comprehensive workplace violence prevention programs are, 70 percent of workplaces don’t have one. Now, having a workplace violence prevention program is critical in this day and age to keep your employees safe. Developing a comprehensive plan will include multiple steps.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:04:37] And one key aspect of a successful program is education. And there’s multiple components to the education needed. Everyone in the company is going to need to receive education, every employee, every manager, every executive, and even the owner. Education in what exactly workplace violence is and how prevalent it is. Education about what the risk factors are for workplace violence. Education about what to look for, that would indicate violence might be coming soon, which are the warning signs of workplace violence.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:05:19] Everyone’s also going to need to be taught what factors protect against violent behavior and lower the risk of violent behavior. They’ll need to learn how to intervene, if possible and safe. And how and when to report their concerns that someone might be dangerous or become violent. Education is also going to likely need to include training and special topics related to workplace violence, like hostility de-escalation, threat assessment and management, active shooter training, threat assessment team training, situational awareness. And special situational topics, like bullying and harassment, or stalking, and domestic violence, suicide prevention, or legal defensibility when related to managing these kinds of behaviors, lone actor terrorism, and other related subjects.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:06:29] Managers and executives will also need additional customized education related to the development and functioning of a threat management team. There should be an internal threat management team whose job is going to be to investigate and monitor any reported concerns or potentially threatening individuals. This team would be made of staff from multiple disciplines and departments within the company. And, ideally, would also include external subject matter expert consultants when appropriate, such as law enforcement, executive protection agents, legal counsel, and forensic behavioral experts.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:07:14] To be consistent with the industry’s best practice for workplace violence prevention, the threat management team would need to create clear corporate policies on workplace violence, what will and won’t be tolerated, the consequences for violating these policies. An anonymous reporting structure for employees to provide information when they have concerns about potential violence. The information reported must be kept in a fashion that allows the stakeholders access so that there’s no issues with some people having needed information and other people not having the needed information so something doesn’t get missed.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:07:59] But at the same time, this method of data collection and storing the data needs to be kept confidential so that only members of the threat management team and the necessary external resources have access to it in order to protect the employee’s privacy. Management also is going to need to be aware of what barriers there are to successful programs like this and implement programs and policies to address those barriers.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:08:34] So, for example, one barrier to education about workplace violence is stigma, stigma associated with mental health problems. Nobody wants to talk about it or a lot of people really don’t want to talk about it. So, management can look at promoting company activities to fight the stigma of mental health problems to try to counteract the barrier. That would be an example of a proactive strategy or preventive strategy to a successful workplace violence prevention program.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:09:13] Another way is they could promote activities or even social activities to counter isolation and try to foster connectedness between employees, and the people, and the company. They should also encourage an environment of acceptance amongst employees and, above all, respectful treatment. These are all examples of activities that aim to reduce some of the known risk factors of workplace violence and attempt to encourage or cultivate known protective factors against workplace violence.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:09:54] Additionally, best-practice programs to prevent violence at work include a concerted focus on identifying those who may be at risk and attempting to provide resources before a problem starts. So, accessibility to quality mental health resources is absolutely crucial to a successful program, such as round-the-clock EAP services and a health insurance plan with good mental health service coverage. They should also be providing other resources that reduce common sources of daily stress for employees, such as financial planning seminars, or resources for quality child care, or resiliency training are good examples. These kinds of additional life stressor resources are also invaluable to these kinds of programs.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:10:57] And then, of course, these programs are going to need to have a worst case scenario plan. What is the plan if your worksite has an active shooter? What do you do? What do the employees do? Where do they go? What are the escape routes? How does the information get communicated to everybody that there’s a shooter? How are people going to be accounted for when everybody gets out of the building? Who’s responsible for that? Where are the meeting spots?

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:11:31] The point is to have a plan. You need to have a plan. And then, you have to train everybody to the plan. And then, you have to practice it, and practice it, and practice it, and then you practice it some more. You need to have everybody very, very comfortable with knowing exactly what they need to do and what their responsibilities are.

Jennifer Kurtz: [00:11:55] We just don’t work in the same world we did 30 years ago. Workplace violence is no longer something that employers can just hope doesn’t happen. It’s time to be prepared. If you want to be prepared with help from experts in the industry, R3 Continuum can help. We can provide a variety of customized services to provide you with tailored solutions to keep your employees and your worksite safe. For more information, contact us at info@r3c.com.

 

Show Underwriter

R3 Continuum (R3c) is a global leader in workplace behavioral health and security solutions. R3c helps ensure the psychological and physical safety of organizations and their people in today’s ever-changing and often unpredictable world. Through their continuum of tailored solutions, including evaluations, crisis response, executive optimization, protective services, and more, they help organizations maintain and cultivate a workplace of wellbeing so that their people can thrive. Learn more about R3c at www.r3c.com.

R3 Continuum is the underwriter of Workplace MVP, a show which celebrates the everyday heroes–Workplace Most Valuable Professionals–in human resources, risk management, security, business continuity, and the C-suite who resolutely labor for the well-being of employees in their care, readying the workplace for and planning responses to disruption.

Connect with R3 Continuum:  Website | LinkedIn | Facebook | Twitter

Tagged With: Dr. Jennifer Kurtz, R3 Continuum, Workplace violence prevention

Decision Vision Episode 124: Should I Get my Old Job Back? – An Interview with Owen Sizemore, Brady Ware & Company

July 8, 2021 by John Ray

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Decision Vision Episode 124:  Should I Get my Old Job Back? – An Interview with Owen Sizemore, Brady Ware & Company

Should you return to a former employer? Brady Ware’s Owen Sizemore talked with host Mike Blake about his career and the decision points along the way which led him to leave and then return to Brady Ware, how he negotiated a return, the importance of not burning bridges, and much more. Decision Vision is presented by Brady Ware & Company.

Owen Sizemore, CPA, CVA, MBA, Brady Ware & Company

Owen provides business valuation, litigation support, and financial due diligence services across a variety of industries, with a specialty focus on breweries and distilleries. He performs business valuations for tax purposes, litigation support, and mergers and acquisitions. He also has experience in performing purchase price allocations and valuations of complex securities.

Owen is a member of the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants and the National Association of Certified Valuators and Analysts. Along with being a licensed CPA, he’s also a Certified Valuation Analyst. He obtained his B.S. in Accounting from the University of Northern Colorado and his MBA in finance from Xavier University.

Connect with Owen on LinkedIn.

Mike Blake, Brady Ware & Company

Mike Blake, Host of the “Decision Vision” podcast series

Michael Blake is the host of the Decision Vision podcast series and a Director of Brady Ware & Company. Mike specializes in the valuation of intellectual property-driven firms, such as software firms, aerospace firms, and professional services firms, most frequently in the capacity as a transaction advisor, helping clients obtain great outcomes from complex transaction opportunities. He is also a specialist in the appraisal of intellectual properties as stand-alone assets, such as software, trade secrets, and patents.

Mike has been a full-time business appraiser for 13 years with public accounting firms, boutique business appraisal firms, and an owner of his own firm. Prior to that, he spent 8 years in venture capital and investment banking, including transactions in the U.S., Israel, Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus.

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Brady Ware & Company

Brady Ware & Company is a regional full-service accounting and advisory firm which helps businesses and entrepreneurs make visions a reality. Brady Ware services clients nationally from its offices in Alpharetta, GA; Columbus and Dayton, OH; and Richmond, IN. The firm is growth-minded, committed to the regions in which they operate, and most importantly, they make significant investments in their people and service offerings to meet the changing financial needs of those they are privileged to serve. The firm is dedicated to providing results that make a difference for its clients.

Decision Vision Podcast Series

Decision Vision is a podcast covering topics and issues facing small business owners and connecting them with solutions from leading experts. This series is presented by Brady Ware & Company. If you are a decision-maker for a small business, we’d love to hear from you. Contact us at decisionvision@bradyware.com and make sure to listen to every Thursday to the Decision Vision podcast.

Past episodes of Decision Vision can be found at decisionvisionpodcast.com. Decision Vision is produced and broadcast by the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX®.

Connect with Brady Ware & Company:

Website | LinkedIn | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram

TRANSCRIPT

Intro: [00:00:02] Welcome to Decision Vision, a podcast series focusing on critical business decisions. Brought to you by Brady Ware & Company. Brady Ware is a regional full service accounting and advisory firm that helps businesses and entrepreneurs make visions a reality.

Mike Blake: [00:00:22] Welcome to Decision Vision, a podcast giving you, the listener, clear vision to make great decisions. In each episode, we discuss the process of decision making on a different topic from the business owners’ or executives’ perspective. We aren’t necessarily telling you what to do, but we can put you in a position to make an informed decision on your own and understand when you might need help along the way.

Mike Blake: [00:00:40] My name is Mike Blake, and I’m your host for today’s program. I’m a director at Brady Ware & Company, a full service accounting firm based in Dayton, Ohio, with offices in Dayton; Columbus, Ohio; Richmond, Indiana; and Alpharetta, Georgia. If you like to engage with me on social media with my Chart of the Day and other content, I’m on LinkedIn as myself and @unblakeable on Facebook, Twitter, Clubhouse, and Instagram. If you like this podcast, please subscribe on your favorite podcast aggregator, and please consider leaving a review of the podcast as well.

Mike Blake: [00:01:10] Before we get into this week’s conversation, I want to mention that a colleague of mine, Betty Collins, who is a partner with Brady Ware and host of her own podcast, Inspiring Women, is helping to lead the Eighth Annual Brady Ware Women’s Leadership Conference. Like most things, it’s staying virtual this year. But on July 30th, if you like this podcast and the topics discussed, I suspect you will like their discussion points for that conference. Several speakers including two national voices, and the Governor of Ohio, Mike DeWine, are on the agenda. Please check out www.columbuswomensleadership.com. It may seem local to Ohio, but the content is worthwhile nationally.

Mike Blake: [00:01:45] Now, on with this week’s Decision Vision. Today’s topic is, Should I get my old job back? And I’ve been in the public accounting industry for – golly – in some fashion, I’ve been in it for, I guess, something like 10 to 12 years. So, it shows I’m not a very good accountant because I can’t count that high. And one thing I’ve noticed is, there’s a lot of kind of shuffling of talent.

Mike Blake: [00:02:16] And in particular, I’ve noticed there are a lot of folks that work for an accounting firm for some period of time. They leave, going off to find, at least, what they think are greener pastures, and then come back after a period. And I’m sure that happens a lot in other industries as well. Accounting is the one that I happen to see it. And it made me curious about the decision process to leave a job and then come back to it.

Mike Blake: [00:02:43] I’ve never done that. Not because I think it’s good or bad, just simply the circumstances really didn’t dictate it. And as people are re-entering the workforce here, as we record this podcast on July 7, 2021, people may be thinking about getting old jobs back, whether they were furloughed, whether they took a leave of absence, whether they quit altogether because of environmental circumstances dictated by the pandemic. Or maybe they simply left because, again, they saw greener pastures elsewhere.

Mike Blake: [00:03:16] So, you know, I don’t have data to support this, but my instinct tells me this is a decision that, if you’re not facing yourself, you probably know somebody that’s considering the decision. And maybe you can turn them onto this podcast.

Mike Blake: [00:03:30] And joining us today is Owen Sizemore, who is a Certified Valuation Analyst and managing the Valuation Services Group here at Brady Ware. And he’s a boomerang employee. He was with us for a while, left – and we’ll talk about that story – and has come back. And we are delighted to have him back. And I’m equally delighted to have him on the program. Owen Sizemore, welcome to Decision Vision.

Owen Sizemore: [00:03:54] Thanks for having me, Mike.

Mike Blake: [00:03:56] So, let’s start with kind of where you are today. Tell the listeners about your current role at Brady Ware, please.

Owen Sizemore: [00:04:06] Yeah. So, I am a Manager in the Valuation and Litigation Support Practice at Brady Ware, which basically means I take on valuation engagements for a variety of purposes, transactions, tax, litigation support, like I mentioned. And then, I also do some due diligence work as well, merger and acquisition due diligence. That’s a smaller part of my practice, and I anticipate that getting smaller as time goes on. But it’s worth mentioning that I do get into some of that work currently.

Mike Blake: [00:04:40] So, before you came to Brady Ware, what were you doing?

Owen Sizemore: [00:04:45] Is that the first time or the second time?

Mike Blake: [00:04:48] Oh, good question. Let’s go first time.

Owen Sizemore: [00:04:52] So, first time – Mike, you’ve probably heard me say this way too many times, but I always tell people – I’m recovering auditor and CPA. So, before I came to Brady Ware the first time, I was mainly an auditor for another public accounting firm. And that’s where I spent pretty much my whole civilian professional career was as an auditor. I did a little bit of valuation work and due diligence work along the way. I wanted to get into it full time and that’s why I came to Brady Ware.

Mike Blake: [00:05:26] So, I’m curious – I’m going off script a little bit – what was it on audit that you didn’t like or what was it about moving into specialty services like valuation that attracted you?

Owen Sizemore: [00:05:39] Well, as far as what I didn’t like about auditing was that I didn’t like the relationship that it created with your clients. It was difficult to feel like you’re adding value to them because audit is a compliance engagement for – let’s say compliance engagement. And so, I enjoyed the investigative nature of it, but I didn’t like everything around it. I didn’t like that it felt like our clients were put out by us being there. And because they’re put out by us being there, it’s really hard to engage with them on bigger picture stuff.

Owen Sizemore: [00:06:25] And it was also hard to engage with them on bigger picture stuff because you’re just down in the weeds in an audit trying to get the numbers right, that you’re looking at historical information that’s it’s really hard to talk about the future with your client. So, that’s the reason I didn’t like auditing.

Owen Sizemore: [00:06:41] And I like valuation for very similar reasons. You know, it’s forward thinking. You can get into big picture conversations with your client about where they’re going. But I also like the quantitative nature of it as well. And you don’t quite get that in auditing.

Mike Blake: [00:06:59] So, when you first came to Brady Ware, how long were you at the company the first time around?

Owen Sizemore: [00:07:06] I was at Brady Ware for almost a year. Well, I’ll say, a year and a couple months.

Mike Blake: [00:07:13] Okay. And so, what led you to start contemplating a change? What prompted that thought process of your internal conversation?

Owen Sizemore: [00:07:22] There were a handful of things that went into it. I do think it’s important to mention that the job that I left Brady Ware for was actually a job I interviewed for before I came to Brady Ware the first time. And so, ultimately, I decided to come to Brady Ware as opposed to going to Ernst and Young. So, it was always on my mind. And I had never had Big Four experience. I simply didn’t have the grades or the professional wherewithal to value an opportunity at a Big Four accounting firm right out of school like most young graduates do. And so, it was an experience I never got. It was an opportunity I knew was out there because I’d interviewed for it. So, it was kind of in the back of my mind.

Owen Sizemore: [00:08:14] But as far as what happened to Brady Ware specifically, you know, people had a hard time separating me as a CPA from the rest of the traditional CPA group. And so, even though all I did was valuation work or at least that’s all I was supposed to do, when business season rolled around, there was this pressure to behave and follow a similar schedule as the tax not all people were following. Which, as you know, valuation work, it comes and goes. You very well may find yourself extremely busy in the middle of the summer when the tax and audit folks at a CPA firm aren’t doing much.

Owen Sizemore: [00:09:05] And what was kind of the defining moment was, I had a networking event that I set up with a financial planner here in town. And I think it was maybe April 5th, so I went to this networking meeting. And at the time, the valuation group, honestly, was pretty slow. So, I go to this networking event, come back the next day. And one of the partners here asked where I had been and I said, “Well, I had a networking event.” And he said to me, “No more networking events during busy season.”

Owen Sizemore: [00:09:43] And I didn’t respond to that very well, to be honest with you. Because, again, busy season shouldn’t be something that necessarily drives the schedule of valuation people. What drives their schedule is the inflow and outflow of work. And on average, valuation people will bill as much hours or even more than their audit and tax colleagues over the span of a year. It just comes at different times. And so, I was pretty frustrated that there was this expectation to work like I’m a CPA, even though I’m not doing CPA work during that traditional business season time of the year.

Owen Sizemore: [00:10:27] And then, of course, what happened was after regular business season was over, we got very busy on the valuation side. I was working Saturdays and summer, which, again, that in and of itself not a problem. I’m happy to work 60 hours a week, 70 hours a week if I have to. But to be expected to work busy season with everyone else and then deal with the highs and lows of valuation work was not going to work for me.

Owen Sizemore: [00:10:58] And so, I had that Ernst and Young opportunity in the back of my mind and I thought, “Well, if I’m going to be expected to work this hard all the time, and I never got that Big Four experience, I might as well pursue that and see where it goes.” And at least I’ll know either way that it was a good move or a bad move. But at least I’ll put that question to rest in my mind. So, that’s pretty much why I left.

Mike Blake: [00:11:24] Okay. So then, you made the move and you were there at EY for some period of time. What made you realize or made you start to think that maybe that wasn’t the right move to make?

Owen Sizemore: [00:11:36] That’s a good question. There’s a number of things leading up to it. One, culturally, those big organizations are just different. They’re good. They’re not bad. They just are. And the best example of it I can offer is, when I walk down a hallway and I pass a coworker that I might not know at all, I may barely know, or if I do know, I always smile and and greet them and say hi, and going about my business. I certainly don’t try to pull someone into small talk conversation, but I feel like it’s just a nice thing to to acknowledge someone as you pass by them.

Owen Sizemore: [00:12:19] Well, I would do that at EY and you could tell people were – I don’t know want to say it but I’ll put it out – really didn’t know how to respond to it. And, again, I’m just trying to trying to offer a small example of the sort of tense culture in those big places. So, culturally, it wasn’t a great fit.

Owen Sizemore: [00:12:45] But probably the bigger issue for me was that I had some good ideas on how to do business development. And they worked in the middle market. I think they were easily scalable and they involved relationships with big law firms. And coming from the middle market and sort of being out of town – because I had to change locations, change cities to go to EY – I did not have the relationships with the big law firms in town, but I knew that some of the partners that Ernst and Young did.

Owen Sizemore: [00:13:22] And so, I presented this business development idea to them and just said, “Look, I just need an introduction. You can be a part of it. You can or you don’t have to be. It’s up to you. But if you can just give me an introduction, I’ll run with it. And I think it’ll work.” And that business development idea was not warmly received.

Owen Sizemore: [00:13:45] And I come from a place in the middle market when you have a senior accountant, or a senior associate, or a manager, or pretty much any level employee, that is excited and comes up with ideas about business development and networking. My experience had been that partners were they loved it. They wanted to get behind it. They were glad that somebody was thinking about that.

Owen Sizemore: [00:14:07] Whereas, that wasn’t the case at EY. You really got this feeling that they just wanted you to put your head down and do the work. And, you know, “We’ll make you a partner someday if we think you’re worthy of it. And we’re not going to get behind your own initiatives and the efforts you’re trying to take control of with your career and make it happen. We’ll do it for you if we if we want you to have it.” That that’s that’s the takeaway I got from it.

Owen Sizemore: [00:14:33] So, there’s that. Culturally, I just wasn’t a big fit. And then, it was exciting to work on big M&A deals with big companies. But, again, just the sheer size of those organizations in EY, there wasn’t really, I’ll say, a personal connection with your colleagues, really, and your clients. And it just wasn’t a good fit for me all around on those fronts.

Mike Blake: [00:15:03] So, how long did it take for you to come to realize that that wasn’t something you could fix, that you have to probably make another change?

Owen Sizemore: [00:15:15] Probably about five or six months into it.

Mike Blake: [00:15:19] So, pretty quickly.

Owen Sizemore: [00:15:21] Yeah. Pretty quickly. And at the five or six month mark, I knew that it was not going to be a long term thing. And, initially, my plan was, whatever you do, you always have to do it for a year. Or at least that’s what I’ve been told by people, that you should always stick around at whatever job you have for a year. So, that was the plan, once the year passed up, I would start looking to make a move.

Mike Blake: [00:15:48] So, you ultimately came back to Brady Ware, which is awesome. But did you think about moving to another firm first as opposed to coming back to Brady Ware? And if so, what made you choose trying to come back as opposed to moving on to another firm?

Owen Sizemore: [00:16:08] So, I knew that the first place I was going to look was Brady Ware, but I wasn’t sure if an opportunity would be there. So, I had some other firms in mind. But Brady Ware was going to be my first choice for a lot of reasons. But namely because even though we had to do some work on figuring out my schedule and my schedule expectations, at least in this area of the country, it’s difficult to find a firm the size of Brady Ware with a dedicated valuation partner. And even a dedicated valuation team. They’re just few and far between. So, I knew Brady Ware was going to be my first choice. And if that didn’t work, I was kind of throwing throwing rocks out there just to see what would happen.

Mike Blake: [00:17:02] Okay. Now, I mean, you had some very specific reasons for why you left Brady Ware in the first place. Did you have concerns about those things, basically, starting up again? And if so, how did you convince yourself that either of those concerns would go away or the second time around you’d be able to work through them?

Owen Sizemore: [00:17:23] Well, I knew that in order for me to come back, it was going to be a conversation that I had to address, first and foremost, with the managing partner of the firm. So, that was it. I knew that the people in charge of my schedule are the people in charge, period. And I had to get their buy in and it had to be very clear on what the expectations for my schedule would be before I would come back.

Mike Blake: [00:17:53] You know, did you have a sense before you even started the conversation that Brady Ware will be receptive to your return?

Owen Sizemore: [00:18:06] Well, I felt like I hadn’t burned any bridges that I was aware of. And I won’t say I didn’t know how the conversation was going to go for sure. But I recognized and I didn’t think that I burned bridges, recognizing that Brady Ware does have a valuation team, and at least they talked about taking valuation practice seriously prior to me leaving. It seemed like something that we could come to an agreement on. I’ll say, I was fairly hopeful that we could work it out.

Mike Blake: [00:18:52] Okay. And how did you initiate the conversation? Did you contact the managing partner directly? Did you go through a go between? How did you do that?

Owen Sizemore: [00:19:02] No. I contacted the managing partner directly. If I remember correctly, I think I texted him and said, “Hey, it’s Owen. Would you entertain a conversation about me coming back to Brady Ware?” And he said absolutely. And so, we set a date and time to meet for some drinks and we just sort of sat down and hashed it all out.

Mike Blake: [00:19:33] So, it sounds like it was a fairly quick. I think there’s a great object lesson there. It’s so important when you leave a place to leave it well and not burn any bridges, whether it’s leaving the door open to coming back. In my scenario, a place I worked for a number of years, they still refer me work because I didn’t burn bridges. And, you know, even if you’re leaving in a scenario where you’re kind of irritated, there’s no substitute for leaving classy. There’s no reason to just close doors prematurely.

Owen Sizemore: [00:20:10] Yeah. I totally agree with you. Even if you leave just flat out angry, you got to remember that you might be mad at the decision makers who were in charge at the time you left, but you may have had great relationships with the next generation. And whether you meet or not, you may burn bridges with the next generation that you had previously had good relationships with if you leave in so bad of a way. So, it’s best to just put angry aside and do your best to be polite, be helpful, transition your projects in the most efficient and complete way possible, and put it behind you in a way that you’ll feel good about.

Mike Blake: [00:20:58] So, I’m curious, you’re at E&Y for about five months before you realized it wasn’t the fit you thought it was going to be. So, I don’t remember the actual timeline, but it was probably less than a year that actually you’re there. Was it hard to tell them that you were going back?

Owen Sizemore: [00:21:18] Yeah. It was. Because – I think his title was managing director – it was the same guy that I had that, really, I interviewed with him the first time. And then, when I had respectfully just turned it down, I didn’t get off of the job. But my communications with him in the first time I interviewed was I felt like things went good, just sit tight. And then, of course, the initial opportunity at Brady Ware came out sight. I had to respectfully remove myself from being considered.

Owen Sizemore: [00:21:55] And then, the second time around, it was with that same individual. But the second time was a little bit different because there wasn’t an actual job posting. I just reached out to him and I invited him to breakfast. And told him that if there was a need that I’d love to explore that opportunity that I passed up on. So, it was a pretty informal process actually making the change from Brady Ware to E&Y. And his individual, I think, kind of opened some doors that weren’t formally open for me to come.

Owen Sizemore: [00:22:34] So, it was tough. It was tough to tell them that I was leaving because I felt like I certainly wouldn’t have been there if it wasn’t for him. And I think he kind of went out of his way to give me the opportunity. And I hated to let him down. And he was supportive about it. It wasn’t mean or disrespectful or anything, but I acknowledged that I got that job because of him. He worked that he worked on getting it for me and then I had turned and leave relatively quickly. So, that was tough.

Mike Blake: [00:23:11] I wonder if he sensed at all that it wasn’t a good fit and that maybe he wasn’t totally surprised. Or do you just not have enough contact with your pulse in this situation to really know that?

Owen Sizemore: [00:23:24] Mike, I honestly don’t know. I don’t know. But I wrote a hand thank you. I handwrote an apology letter/thank you later for giving me an opportunity, and apologized it didn’t work out. I never really heard from him after that. But it’s accounting, it’s Big Four. You see these people come and go all the time. So, there was probably really no skin off his back, I’m sure. But, yeah, it was tough to acknowledge to myself that I got someone to help me do something and turn around and left pretty quickly.

Mike Blake: [00:24:04] So, looking back on it now, you’ve been back at Brady Ware for some time – I think a-year-and-a-half or close to it, was it the right decision to come back?

Owen Sizemore: [00:24:13] It absolutely was. Obviously, if you’re not a fit for a place culturally, you shouldn’t be there regardless of where you end up going. But it was tough leaving Brady Ware the first time around. And I will say, you know, the process of coming back was pretty painless. I told the managing partner about the issues I was having and why I left, and he was very supportive that we’d be able to figure these things out. And no regrets. It’s been great ever since. It’s where I belong. And unless something crazy happens, it’s where I’m going to stay.

Mike Blake: [00:25:01] So, those issues that you have the first time around, it sounds like they’ve been effectively cleared up and taken off your guns.

Owen Sizemore: [00:25:12] Absolutely. Yeah. No. There’s never been any inkling that those issues are still out there. And I will say – and this is a me thing – knowing that my colleagues are here on Saturdays, sometimes I come in on Saturdays just as a show of solidarity, but that’s a choice on my part and I’m happy to do it. I don’t know, if you see people working hard, you certainly don’t want to ignore the fact that your colleagues are having a tough time, even though you’re not going to ask them to work Saturdays for you in the summer on your valuation work. But at the same time, I think they appreciate that I show up.

Owen Sizemore: [00:25:53] And I think one Saturday this busy season, I brought breakfast for everyone. So, it’s important for people to know that you support them, even though you might not be right there in the fray with them.

Mike Blake: [00:26:10] You know, I think I that’s astute. I don’t come in on Saturdays. I mean, I hardly come in the office of all. But one thing I’ve always tried to do whenever I’ve worked with a CPA firm is, at least on a big tax deadline day, like April 15th, I’ll make sure that I’m in the office and I typically extend my schedule. So that if somebody – I’m not touching a tax return – need help by stuffing envelopes and stuff, or just taking stuff down to the post office, or an extra pair of hands to make myself available.

Mike Blake: [00:26:41] Now, frankly, people are smart enough to just not engage me. And I think part of that is because I don’t know the processes. So, it takes more time to teach me than it would for me to actually be a participant. But I do think there’s an appreciation if you’re not [inaudible] but that you’re you’re at least making some effort to be there in the trenches during crunch time. I think there is something to that.

Owen Sizemore: [00:27:07] Absolutely.

Mike Blake: [00:27:10] So, looking back on it, what lessons do you think you learned from the whole experience? What are some things that you think are key takeaways that if somebody were coming to you and say, “Look, I’m thinking of getting my old job back at some place.” What might you tell them?

Owen Sizemore: [00:27:26] Well, I’d say, one, you’ve got to be direct on addressing the issues that you had and the things that drove you to leave the first time. That’s one, because don’t go into it blind, don’t go into it assuming that everything’s going to be okay. Find who’s in charge, whoever has the ability to address those issues on your behalf, and make sure they’re addressed. Because if my experience the second time around was the same as it was the first time, this wouldn’t be working. So, that’s important.

Owen Sizemore: [00:28:05] And then, two, don’t be afraid to communicate, even if that means going over somebody’s head. When the managing partner and I had a conversation about me coming back and I told him what was going on, one of the first things he said was, “Why didn’t you tell tell me this the first time? Why didn’t you let me know this was happening?” And I said, “Well, I kind of felt like I was going over someone’s head. And I’ve always been telling you just don’t do that.” And while that is a carryover from a military career, but I had this idea that you just don’t go over people’s head. And if I had let go, let go of that and just tried to address it with somebody that could do something about it, probably I may have never left.

Mike Blake: [00:28:56] That’s a really tough spot to be in. I can empathize that you want to respect the chain of command. It’s a big move politically to go over somebody’s head, because once you do that, you better kind of get what you want or it’s going to come back on know you that way. So, I can see how that part of the decision process would be hard. I think for anybody that would be hard.

Owen Sizemore: [00:29:29] Yeah. If you’re going to go over someone’s head, it better be over something that if it does get fixed, you’re leaving, because you may need to for that anyways.

Mike Blake: [00:29:40] That’s a good point.

Owen Sizemore: [00:29:40] And it’s definitely a last resort move. But I wish I wish I had done it because it might have changed things. Another thing I’ve learned is, again, the importance of not burning bridges. Because up until the time I left Brady Ware, Brady Ware was my fourth accounting firm. I kind of worked at places one to two years, three in one case, and then would change firms just to try a new out and see if there’s new clients, new opportunities. And so Brady Ware was the fourth firm I had worked at.

Owen Sizemore: [00:30:23] And aside from this whole scheduling thing, it was my favorite one. I love the fact that they empowered me do valuation work. I love that they were serious about the valuation practice. And so, it was a good thing that I didn’t burn that bridge because, I didn’t realize it at the time, but if I had burned it, I wouldn’t be able to come back and I would have regretted that.

Mike Blake: [00:30:53] So, this is, I think, a very useful conversation. Some of our listeners may have questions that I would have asked or may want to go deeper on something, if somebody wants advice on whether or not they should get their old job back, can people contact you for advice? And if so, what’s the best way to do that?

Owen Sizemore: [00:31:11] Absolutely. My email is great or, honestly, they can call my office phone. But I’d say my email is probably a better bet, and that is osizemore, so O-S-I-Z-E-M-O-R-E, @bradyware.com.

Mike Blake: [00:31:35] Very good. That’s going to wrap it up for today’s program. I’d like to thank Owen Sizemore so much for sharing his expertise with us.

Mike Blake: [00:31:42] We’ll be exploring a new topic each week, so please tune it so that when you’re faced with your next business decision, you have clear vision when making it. If you enjoy this podcast, please consider leaving a review with your favorite podcast aggregator. It helps people find us so that we can help them. If you’d like to engage with me on social media with my Chart of the Day and other content, I’m on LinkedIn as myself and @unblakeable on Facebook, Twitter, Clubhouse, and Instagram. Once again, this is Mike Blake. Our sponsor is Brady Ware & Company. And this has been the Decision Vision podcast.

 

 

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The Unexpected Benefit of Hiring Someone with a Disability, with Bill Schultz, Opportunity Partners

July 5, 2021 by John Ray

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Bill Schultz: [00:00:00] One of the fun things too that we’ll hear is it, also, boost the morale of the other folks that work there. You know, often, there’ll be more — you know, sometimes, there’s an individual; sometimes, there’s more than one. And I think it’s a feel-good thing, and people get to know them, and it demystifies people with disabilities because some people would be uncomfortable around them. And once they get to know them as a person, that goes away. And they’ll learn what their interests are, and they’ll laugh with them. And it just those things that I’ve heard that from employers that, “This is an unexpected benefit that we’ve had.” And there’s also some that, you know, you’re going to have other workers that might have a child with a disability and also gives them some hope because, “Hey, look, there is a future for my child,” because they may be worried about that and what does the future hold for them?

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Bill Schultz was named President & CEO of Opportunity Partners in August 2020, after serving briefly as Interim President & CEO. Bill joined Opportunity Partners in 2015 as Executive Vice President, Business Development and Operations, overseeing all business services and production operations, identifying new products, processes, and services in community and center-based work.

Bill came to Opportunity Partners with more than 20 years of experience in a variety of business leadership positions and was drawn to the organization for its strong mission and history of making a difference in the community.

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Renasant Bank has humble roots, starting in 1904 as a $100,000 bank in a Lee County, Mississippi, bakery. Since then, Renasant has grown to become one of the Southeast’s strongest financial institutions with over $13 billion in assets and more than 190 banking, lending, wealth management and financial services offices in Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia and Florida. All of Renasant’s success stems from each of their banker’s commitment to investing in their communities as a way of better understanding the people they serve. At Renasant Bank, they understand you because they work and live alongside you every day.

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Why Job Descriptions are Not Effective, with Maria Forbes, FIREPOWER Business Catalyst, LLC

July 1, 2021 by John Ray

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Maria Forbes: [00:00:00] Job descriptions don’t work. They give us a laundry list of day-to-day tasks and credentials. We understand two things, typically, from a job description. We understand what the cognitive needs are for that role, which are, you know, what do they need to know? What’s their knowledge base? What’s the skills and education and experience that are required to fulfill this role? The other thing that the job description tells us is, as I said, the laundry list of tasks that need to be done.

Maria Forbes: [00:00:30] So, what happens when the leader says, “I wish I could get my people thinking outside the box,” which I hear a lot? Well, you’ve hired them based on this list of tactical duties and responsibilities. You didn’t hire them with the vision for them that they could make a contribution to the growth goal. So, we didn’t integrate their unique abilities into that hiring process. And that’s what we need to do to improve. So, that’s why job descriptions don’t work.

Maria Forbes: [00:01:01] When we do role descriptions, we’re adding another element to the job description that is cognitive. And the cognitive part of the mind is, it tells us how a person innately needs to execute in a role. So, we’re looking at how do they need to execute? How do they need to participate in the growth plan along with their day-to-day tasks and their knowledge base? So, it’s a much more robust description of that role.

Maria Forbes, CEO – Chief Engagement Officer, FIREPOWER Business Catalyst, LLC

Firepower Business Catalysts

Maria’s thirty-year consulting career serves privately held business owners in financial services and related fields across the U.S. Our mission is to integrate financial capital with Human capital in planning for organizational growth and continuity. Maria’s work frames the long-term trajectory of business growth and succession through people-powered structures that enable an ongoing positive impact of talent through all business life cycles.

Maria and her teams provide expertise in expanding internal capacity, through creative alignment of human values, making it possible for owners and key decision-makers to lead both their people and their businesses confidently toward the future. As a committed strategic partner to her clients, Maria makes visible the arrangement of human strengths as part of an innovative business strategy. This work optimizes organizational performance and builds transferrable value, as owners look toward a role transition and business succession.

Maria conducts a summer mentor program for college graduates and seasoned professionals who are navigating career transition. The mentor process develops personal advantage in the career marketplace and fosters confidence in communicating the best roles for a successful new career.

Maria is a Kolbe Certified Consultant, Faculty member of The Life Transitions University™, Mentor, and member of the Catholic Charities Atlanta Georgia Leadership Program. She is also a Board member of the Exit Planning Exchange, Atlanta Chapter.

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Renasant Bank has humble roots, starting in 1904 as a $100,000 bank in a Lee County, Mississippi, bakery. Since then, Renasant has grown to become one of the Southeast’s strongest financial institutions with over $13 billion in assets and more than 190 banking, lending, wealth management and financial services offices in Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia and Florida. All of Renasant’s success stems from each of their banker’s commitment to investing in their communities as a way of better understanding the people they serve. At Renasant Bank, they understand you because they work and live alongside you every day.

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Decision Vision Episode 123: Now What? 10 Decisions to Make in a Trans-Pandemic World

July 1, 2021 by John Ray

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We’ve endured a pandemic, social and political upheaval, and economic uncertainty. Now what? Decision Vision host Mike Blake takes up the challenge of answering that question, presenting ten major decisions which must be confronted in a “trans-pandemic” world. You may not agree with all of Mike’s conclusions, but you’re guaranteed to be challenged.  A link to the accompanying slide deck is included below. Decision Vision is presented by Brady Ware & Company.

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Michael Blake is the host of the Decision Vision podcast series and a Director of Brady Ware & Company. Mike specializes in the valuation of intellectual property-driven firms, such as software firms, aerospace firms, and professional services firms, most frequently in the capacity as a transaction advisor, helping clients obtain great outcomes from complex transaction opportunities. He is also a specialist in the appraisal of intellectual properties as stand-alone assets, such as software, trade secrets, and patents.

Mike has been a full-time business appraiser for 13 years with public accounting firms, boutique business appraisal firms, and an owner of his own firm. Prior to that, he spent 8 years in venture capital and investment banking, including transactions in the U.S., Israel, Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus.

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Brady Ware & Company is a regional full-service accounting and advisory firm which helps businesses and entrepreneurs make visions a reality. Brady Ware services clients nationally from its offices in Alpharetta, GA; Columbus and Dayton, OH; and Richmond, IN. The firm is growth-minded, committed to the regions in which they operate, and most importantly, they make significant investments in their people and service offerings to meet the changing financial needs of those they are privileged to serve. The firm is dedicated to providing results that make a difference for its clients.

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Decision Vision is a podcast covering topics and issues facing small business owners and connecting them with solutions from leading experts. This series is presented by Brady Ware & Company. If you are a decision-maker for a small business, we’d love to hear from you. Contact us at decisionvision@bradyware.com and make sure to listen to every Thursday to the Decision Vision podcast.

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Intro: [00:00:01] Welcome to Decision Vision, a podcast series focusing on critical business decisions. Brought to you by Brady Ware & Company. Brady Ware is a regional full service accounting and advisory firm that helps businesses and entrepreneurs make visions a reality.

Mike Blake: [00:00:21] Welcome to Decision Vision, a podcast giving you, the listener, clear vision to make great decisions. In each episode, we discuss the process of decision making on a different topic from the business owners’ or executives’ perspective. We aren’t necessarily telling you what to do, but we can put you in a position to make an informed decision on your own and understand when you might need help along the way.

Mike Blake: [00:00:40] My name is Mike Blake, and I’m your host for today’s program. I’m a director at Brady Ware & Company, a full service accounting firm based in Dayton, Ohio, with offices in Dayton; Columbus, Ohio; Richmond, Indiana; and Alpharetta, Georgia. Brady Ware is sponsoring this podcast, which is being recorded in Atlanta per social distancing protocols. If you like to engage with me on social media with my Chart of the Day and other content, I’m on LinkedIn as myself, and @unblakeable on Facebook, Twitter, Clubhouse, and Instagram. If you like this podcast, please subscribe on your favorite podcast aggregator, and please consider leaving a review of the podcast as well.

Mike Blake: [00:01:16] So, today’s topic is, Ten Decisions to be Made in a Trans-Pandemic World. And today is an experiment. I’m doing something that I have never done before, either on this podcast or another podcast. And I’m making, I guess some people call it, the guru format, in which I don’t have a guest today. But rather I’m going to talk about a topic flying solo.

Mike Blake: [00:01:43] And, also, by the way, this is going to be cross-posted on my brand new YouTube channel, it’s so new this is going to be the first piece of content that goes on it. If you do a search for Unblakeable, then you can find the YouTube channel, please subscribe and follow all that good stuff.

Mike Blake: [00:02:00] And I’m making a presentation here that I’ve already done twice that has been met with a lot of positive feedback. And since the nature of the podcast is, in fact, about decision making and the topic is making decisions in a trans-pandemic world, I think it’s appropriate to do this here. So, we’ll see what happens. If you guys like it, we’ll do it more. If you guys hate it, then this will probably be the last time we ever do it, unless we really find something compelling that would want us to go against the collective wisdom. So, I hope you like it.

Mike Blake: [00:02:42] So, joining us for today’s program is me. I have been the host of the Decision Vision podcast since March of 2019. This is, I believe, podcast recording number 126. We are up to, roughly, 23 million cumulative downloads, and that number still blows me away, and I can’t thank you enough for that. A lot of people don’t know, my day job at Brady Ware is I’m one of the Managers of the Business Valuation and Strategic Advisory Practice. I don’t talk about that a lot because I don’t want this podcast to simply be an infomercial. I don’t want to do it. You guys don’t want to listen to it. But since I have to introduce somebody and I’m the person on the podcast, that’s the introduction.

Mike Blake: [00:03:28] So, I’m going to move over now to the slide presentation. And for those of you who are viewing from YouTube, you should now be able to see the actual presentation. And I use the term trans-pandemic because I think that term is useful. It’s not necessarily my trying to be clever. But, you know, as I record this, on June 29, 2021, we’re not in the pandemic anymore, particularly if we’ve been vaccinated, but we’re certainly not out of it. I think only the most optimistic people think that we’ve left the pandemic behind. But I do think that we’re in an optimistic scenario relative to a year ago and that we can at least see the end of the forest even if we haven’t made it out of the woods yet.

Mike Blake: [00:04:22] And I think in a way that actually makes decision-making more difficult, because when you’re in that trans-pandemic or trans anything stage, everything is so fluid. The environment in which we make a decision today may very well not be at all the same as the environment that we faced three months from now when and if that’s the point in which we are then in a post-pandemic world.

Mike Blake: [00:04:50] And so, this is my attempt to try to make sense of some of the things that have gone on really over the past 18 months now – it’s hard to believe it’s been 18 months – since the pandemic hit the United States and most of the rest of the world. And, you know, at the end of the day, it’s just my take on the decisions that have to be made and you may agree or disagree. In fact, many of you will probably disagree quite strongly. But if at least I make you think about it or I present you with some new information, hopefully, you will find that helpful regardless of whether you agree with the conclusions.

Mike Blake: [00:05:27] So, some disclaimers I always add on any presentation that I do, at the end of the day, if you act in any of these things it’s your own risk. I assume that my audience is comprised of grown ups and capable of making your own decisions. Of course, I’m speaking in generalities. There are going to be entire college courses that will be taught simply around the history of the pandemic in the United States or the Western world or China. That’s going to happen. That’s outside the scope of a one hour monologue here. So, it means that if you make a decision based on something I present here, you don’t get to sue me in case things don’t pan out.

Mike Blake: [00:06:10] You know, the nature of decisions, too, is you can you can make the right decision. That doesn’t mean you’re guaranteed success. Nothing in here should be construed as a legal opinion of any kind. I’m not a lawyer. I’ve never been to law school. The closest I’ve ever come is that I’m a really big fan of Boston Legal because I’m in the tank for William Shatner, but that’s about it. And, by the way, as a special bonus and absolutely no additional cost to you, if you find any spelling or grammar mistakes in this presentation, you may keep them.

Mike Blake: [00:06:42] So, last year was a pretty fun year, wasn’t it? You know, we had a global pandemic. We had political upheaval on an unprecedented scale, at least, in most of our lifetimes. We have initiated a conversation about race that is unlike anything we’ve seen, I think, since the 1960s, which predates me, I was born in 1970. Did anybody forget about murder hornets? You know, that was going to be a thing for a while, but I don’t think that turned out to be the big thing that was supposed to be. But, you know, they were coming.

Mike Blake: [00:07:18] And then, if things couldn’t get any worse, Tom Brady wins a seventh Super Bowl. So, I guess it goes to show the more things change, the more they stay the same. I say this actually as a Patriots fan. I think it’s great that Tom Brady won a seventh Super Bowl. But I understand if you’re the rest of the league and you’re tired of Tom Brady being scorched earth on the NFL since 2000, I understand if you’re getting tired of it. And definitely in the ATL, people are tired of it. Not only did he orchestrate the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history against the Falcons, but then he comes here two years later and wins the Super Bowl in Atlanta. It’s fair to say most people in Atlanta have had enough of one Tom Brady.

Mike Blake: [00:08:04] But, you know, the world has changed, right? And so, now, we have a lot of decisions that we have to make. Some of them are urgent, some of them are not as urgent, but they’re all important. And I love Yogi Berra despite being a Red Sox fan. But I mean, you’ve got to appreciate the wisdom. And, you know, I think actually a lot of us feel this way. You know, when you come to a fork in the road, take it. I mean, the environment is just so uncertain right now that, I mean, what do you do? And, again, I’m really not telling people what to do, but I am telling people the decisions I think people have to make one way or the other.

Mike Blake: [00:08:47] So, today’s outline I’m presenting in the form of a mind map. I’ve recently become familiar with mind maps and I’ve come to like that much more than outlines. I built this using an app called SimpleMind on the Mac. I think it’s also available for PC. And one of the things I love about mind maps is their nonlinear. You can think, and articulate, and organize your thoughts in a nonlinear way. Whereas, in an outline, you’re forced to do so, which implies some kind of priority of decisions.

Mike Blake: [00:09:18] And I’m not placing any priority decision except that a linear element or linear characteristic of time forces me to only cover one topic at a time. But I think these are all, frankly, of equal importance and they mainly differ as to whether or not they’re important on a micro level, i.e. your own particular circumstances and priorities, and they’re important from a broader social perspective. We have decisions that we have to make as a society collectively.

Mike Blake: [00:09:50] So, the big question everybody’s asking right now is, Do we continue to work from anywhere? We don’t know. I mean, companies are bringing people back to the office. They’ve planned to bring people back to the office. They’ve then reversed decision to bring people back to the office. You know, there is no best practices. You know, we didn’t have the Internet back when we had the Spanish flu. So, you either worked on location or you didn’t work, that’s all there was to it. We just don’t know what best practices are.

Mike Blake: [00:10:24] And if you’re looking at this on video, you can see this chart that I’ve put up that was posted by Erik Samdahl and the title is “When Will U.S. Workers Return to the Office? Over 50 Percent of Employers Have A Plan.” When you look at the chart, you can see very clearly when the items are ranging from we’re already returning to the workplace to haven’t decided yet which is 17 percent, you know, 14 percent don’t know. And when you look at this chart, it’s pretty much even, all the choices are even all the way around.

Mike Blake: [00:11:01] That means that best practices have not emerged yet. And that makes things difficult. We just don’t know what best practices are. And they’re probably going to vary by industry. They’re going to vary by location. They’re going to vary by company culture. And they’re going to vary by company size.

Mike Blake: [00:11:18] But one thing that we do know, and there’s an emerging picture here, I happen to have a chart up and if you’re listening on the podcast, it’s called “Productivity Better Be Top of Mind in a Post-Pandemic Hybrid Work World.” This is from Forbes magazine. But the chart clearly shows that when you’re looking month by month, employee productivity is up significantly relative to where it had been the prior year. Now, that’s converging. The latter half of ’19 and the latter half of 2020 are sort of converging a little bit, because, I think, we are actually seeing the leading edge of a digital transformation at that time. It was just sort of got overshadowed by the pandemic.

Mike Blake: [00:12:05] But, you know, the overall data is pretty clear that people do appear to be more productive working from some place outside of the office. But it is complex. According to this chart “Succeeding With Remote Work” from gallup.com, workers are more productive, but they’re also more stressed. They’re also more worried. And so, that speaks to whether or not whether work from home is truly a long term viable solution. I don’t think we’re going to know the answer to that until schools reopen en masse and daycare comes back.

Mike Blake: [00:12:49] I suspect, but I do not know that much of the stress revolves around having to juggle childcare and, in some cases, elder care with managing your normal daily life. Because the infrastructure that we’ve had that enables us, women mostly, to work simply was taken away from us. And I can tell you, as a person who works from home and was engaged in, frankly, household chores and did participate in home schooling, even though I did less than my wife, even that amount added to a significant level of stress and did make things hard. And like I said, I didn’t even do the lion’s share. I participated where where I could and where Cordelia thought that I wouldn’t hopelessly screw things up.

Mike Blake: [00:13:38] But the fact of the matter is, is that, people are stressed to be in this environment. So, we’ll see what happens once kids go back to school. I think that’s going to be a major inflection point going forward.

Mike Blake: [00:13:55] So, the second decision we have to make is, Are we going to continue to rely on video conferencing? You know, I’ve stepped out now to a few in-person meetings, a few lunches, where either the restaurants are basically empty or eating outside that sort of thing. I’m still being very cautious even though I’m vaccinated, because I don’t want to be patient zero that they find out, “Oh, the vaccine wasn’t as resistant to the Delta variant,” or whatever. Frankly, I like somebody else to have that on. So, I’m still being careful. But with all the talk of Zoom fatigue, we still need to figure out whether or not we want to have these meetings.

Mike Blake: [00:14:41] Now, an interesting chart from an article called “Open Mike” from the National Institutes of Health shows how people participate in Zoom meetings compared to in-person meetings. And the data shows that people on Zoom seem to be a little bit less inclined to contribute to a discussion. They seem to be a little less inclined to voice opinions. They seem to be less inclined to be responsive to feedback, less inclined to communicate opinions, and much less inclined to maintain an attention span of any kind. This is a sample size of nearly 3,300 people.

Mike Blake: [00:15:21] So, I do think that there are some statistical umph to this. Now, I think this because we’re going to need to see more best practices emerge. And except for contributing to discussion and attention span, these other issues, these other worsenings, if you will, are not terribly strong. So, they could just well be statistical noise, frankly. But there does appear to be a pretty significant reduction in contributions and attention spans. Now, you might say, “Well, great. Less contributions mean less meaning with a bunch of hot air.” You could certainly take that position. But the point is, is that, Zoom and video conferencing in general, I think, is still a work in progress in terms of getting people to participate.

Mike Blake: [00:16:14] And the only thing I can tell you that I’ve learned is that, whenever I host a meeting, I require everybody to have their cameras turned on. And if you don’t have a camera, you can’t be in the meeting. And if you’re that important to the meeting, we reschedule. Because the camera is the way that I can tell if you’re engaged, paying attention. I get feedback from the audience. And I do think that by having a non-camera Zoom meeting, frankly, defeats the purpose and allows for suboptimal participation. But that’s just me.

Mike Blake: [00:16:51] Now, the thing to keep in mind is that, this is not necessarily a new phenomenon. There is an interesting survey that was published by the Harvard Business Review that talks about “What Are Employees Doing During a Conference Call?4 This is not a Zoom call. This is just oldy timey telephone conference calls. And for those of you here, you can see on the chart that 65 percent of people are doing other work, 63 percent of people are sending an email, 55 percent are eating or making food, 25 percent are playing video games, even six percent are taking another phone call, which is awesome.

Mike Blake: [00:17:29] So, you know, struggling with attention span during a Zoom call is really not a new phenomenon. And maybe this even calls in the question whether my my camera requirement is useful. I think it is because, again, if I can see people, I at least have some shot of telling if they’re engaged or not. But the point is that, you know, this is not a new phenomenon. It’s just newly visible.

Mike Blake: [00:18:03] And then, you look at the next chart, which is, What are people doing during virtual meetings? That’s a 2020 study by Kathy Morris, “Survey: Most People Are Distracted During Virtual Meetings.” You know, 60 percent, checking emails; 50 percent, cell phone texting; 52 percent, multitasking, i.e. doing other work; 45 percent, snacking, i.e. eating or making food. My point is, is that, what people are doing during virtual meetings have been doing roughly the same thing in roughly the same amounts as on a conference call.

Mike Blake: [00:18:43] Except, it appears that there does appear to be a slightly lower percentage of people that are doing something other than participating if they’re on a virtual meeting. The other work tops out at 65 percent. Here, it tops out at 55. So, there may actually be an additional benefit to a Zoom call. Again, I think it has to do with whether you have the camera on or not. So, something to keep in mind.

Mike Blake: [00:19:12] But it does also seem clear that virtual is costing money. You know, people do like to be sold to in person, at least in a lot of industries. I work in tech and I think it’s different. I think a lot of people have no interest in meeting me in person. I have not met over two-thirds of my clients in person ever. But, again, I’m in tech. I work a lot with millennials and Gen Y, you know, their comfort zone is virtual relationships. That suits me just fine. It saves me travel time and so forth.

Mike Blake: [00:19:43] But this chart from Oxford Economics, which is from an article called “The Return on Investment of U.S. Business Travel,” shows that, you know, manufacturers think they’re losing as much as 35 to 40 percent of their customers because they can’t meet them in person. And an education professional services, I think it’s around a third. Finance and real estate is around 20 to 25 percent.

Mike Blake: [00:20:07] So, you know, people do feel like there’s a loss in revenue because they don’t have that touch. And whether that’s visiting a client in their office, whether it’s taking them out to dinner or for cocktails, or going to shoot golf, or go for Tim Scones, or whatever it is that you do. You know, people do seem to lose that. So, you know, I have a feeling that people are going to go back, at least, in terms of reestablishing their sales vitality.

Mike Blake: [00:20:39] Now, the next question is a high level economics question, and I’m phrasing it as, Are we firing the Fed? You know, it’s intriguing to look at Bitcoin’s adoption curve and you can see on the chart here. These are charts that were tweeted out by Dan Held, who I guess is a big Bitcoin guy. I really don’t know who he is. But this is given to me by somebody else who does know a lot about Bitcoin. And if the chart is to be believed, then Bitcoin is somewhere between an outright novelty and on its way to becoming an established store of value, that’s what SOV means. And MOE on the chart means medium of exchange, meaning that it’s real money, basically.

Mike Blake: [00:21:35] And, you know, I don’t think that it’s a coincidence that Bitcoin is gaining traction in the middle of a pandemic. Because we’re breaking some laws right now that most people who have an economics background, like me, thinks should never be allowed to happen.

Mike Blake: [00:21:55] And so, the first issue is, we have to figure out what is the real deal with inflation. And I’m publishing a couple of charts here from The Wall Street Journal. It comes from an article called, “Rising Inflation Looks Less Severe Using Pre- Pandemic Comparisons.” And, you know, at a high level, I think actually that title is an apt analysis. And I’d remind everybody that economics is a slow science. It takes us six months to figure out if we’re in a recession or if we’re out of it. It takes us, in some cases, a year or more to figure out if monetary policy is having any impact whatsoever. It’s just a slow science. And this is why I think the Fed prudently is moving very, very slowly.

Mike Blake: [00:22:49] And the way that I read these charts is that, for the most part, the inflation we are seeing is likely simply a dead cat bounce where there had been so much deflation in sectors prior to the pandemic that we’re simply seeing a snap back into some kind of morality. And I’ve seen the memes all over the place. People want to get all over the government because lumber prices suddenly went up, and they did. And then, two weeks later, they suddenly went down again.

Mike Blake: [00:23:21] And however you want to view economic policy and the results thereof, anybody who’s honest and knowledgeable about economics will tell you that it takes months for real cause and effect to be plausibly established. And everything else, frankly, is simply statistical noise. So, there could be inflation that’s out there that’s lurking. I’m not saying there’s not. There could well be. Certainly, neoclassical economics would suggest that there should be.

Mike Blake: [00:23:56] But I’m simply advising people not to jump to conclusions because, quite frankly, simply, we don’t know yet how much of this is due to pent up demand, how much is due to too many dollars chasing too few goods and services, to short term supply chain problems in food, including labor. We just don’t know. And the way the Fed is behaving, where they said they’re going to steady the course until 2023, they are telegraphing to you that they don’t know either. And so, they’d rather not act rather than risk making the problem worse.

Mike Blake: [00:24:37] Now, the thing that’s confusing and why a lot of folks are sounding the alarm on inflation is because of this chart. It’s called “Annual Inflation” from inflationdata.com. Look it up yourself. It’s a busy chart, but it’s a cool chart because if you look in the orangish bands, those are indicative of when there’s been a significantly expansionary monetary policy, quantitative easing one, two, and three. And then, cash being flushed into the system during coronavirus. And the thing that jumps out with this chart is that, quantitative easing did help ameliorate and, in some cases, prevent deflation. And I think what we learned is that, we had massive deflationary pressures that we didn’t appreciate.

Mike Blake: [00:25:37] Ben Bernanke and the Fed did the right thing. Somebody deserves a Nobel Prize in economics for this because you’re not supposed to be able to do that. Had we not done that, there’s no doubt in my mind we would have entered a true economic depression. So, we did learn our lessons from history.

Mike Blake: [00:25:56] But there is a lot of fear, myself included, that we are going to experience hyperinflation. And it really hasn’t happened. It’s sort of peaked at around four percent or so. You know, that’s more than we’re used to. But there have been lots of years that we’ve seen more than four percent inflation. And so, the only time it’s even gotten up to five is right now in the trans-pandemic period, where there’s a combination of loose monetary policy and unprecedented social welfare spending. But even then, you know, the short term inflation rate is five percent. And, you know, we saw that regularly in the late 1980s and early 1990s, which until the first Gulf War and, some would argue, the Bush tax hikes, we were seeing a pretty strong economy back then.

Mike Blake: [00:26:52] So, again, draw your own conclusions. This is my observation. But, again, I simply caution not to have a knee jerk reaction on what’s happening in the economy, because, again, economics is just a slow science. And, you know, it’s not supposed to happen that as our debt to GDP ratio increases – and it’s well over now 100 percent – that interest rates are supposed to go down. But that’s what’s happening. And so, what happens is that people like me and those who are much stronger than I in the field of economics, it’s time for us to rethink what we thought we knew about economics.

Mike Blake: [00:27:38] Because, you know, the largest laboratory in the world is simply not producing the results that we thought that we were going to get. And maybe we need to give modern monetary theory a close look. Maybe there are other theories that need to be addressed that we have discarded, need to revisit, or somebody suggested and we haven’t paid enough attention to. But the one thing that I can tell you for certain is that, the macroeconomic forces and the data are not behaving the way that neoclassical economics and even monetarists economics, that have been the mainstay of American economic policy since the 1930s, at least, they’re just not behaving the way they’re supposed to.

Mike Blake: [00:28:24] The next question is a fun one, Are we going to require vaccination? The interesting thing is – according to a chart that I’ve got, “Vaccines: Low Trust in Vaccination ‘A Global Crisis'”. This is from the BBC – for all of the pushback and the reporting on vaccinophobia in the United States, there are large sections of the world that don’t trust the vaccines, even to the level that we do.

Mike Blake: [00:29:02] According to this chart, East Asia which has pandemics all the time, Western Europe and Eastern Europe that are highly educated populations, at least in Western Europe, certainly, strong health care systems, their trust in the vaccine is even less. Which may explain how, in spite of centralized medicine architectures in Western Europe, they are lagging far behind in vaccinating the population behind the United States. So, it’s just kind of interesting to note that, you know, for all the bad rap we give ourselves, we’re by far not the worst in the world at this. But vaccines are special.

Mike Blake: [00:29:47] And the two charts I’ve put up here, one is called, About Three in Five Voters Would Support COVID-19 Vaccination Card Requirement, and another is called, More Americans Now See Very High Preventive Health Benefits From Measles Vaccine. As we see a contrast in the chart, is that, Americans support measles, mumps, rubella vaccines for children to attend school. But they’re not nearly as supportive of requiring a coronavirus vaccine. I don’t have a ready explanation for that. I don’t have a firm explanation. I suspect a lot of it is because children are typically vaccinated against their will and Americans are not. And so, most children probably don’t even remember when they are vaccinated. I certainly don’t. I just have a chart that says that I was. And so, it’s not a big deal. There was never really even a choice for them.

Mike Blake: [00:30:48] But in terms of being an adult, you know, we do have a choice. And some of us are afraid of vaccines. A lot of us are afraid of needles. You know, it’s been documented that medical experiments have been conducted by the United States Government against sections of the population. The document, in fact, the U.S. Government doesn’t deny it. But, nevertheless, it is interesting how we trust certain kinds of vaccines, but we don’t trust the vaccine that is right in front of us that is the key to conquering the current pandemic.

Mike Blake: [00:31:29] The next question is, Are we canceling for good? You know, I’m putting up a couple of charts from the same source, “Cancel Culture and American Politics” by a person named Phil Ebersole. And what I find really interesting, in this culture where we no longer debate, we now cancel people. And we do that because I think there’s a lot of psychological “advice” about removing toxic people from one’s circles. And it’s gotten easier to do. It’s gotten easier to remove people. You just unfriend them. And I wonder how healthy that really is. I wonder how healthy it is to only hang around with people that never upset you, that never challenge you, that never make you feel uncomfortable.

Mike Blake: [00:32:31] And, you know, interestingly, there’s a large section of the population that feels like they cannot express their political opinions. And interestingly enough, the more liberal one is, it appears the more comfortable that you are sharing your political opinion, and that could mean a lot of things. It could mean that as a liberal, you feel like you’re somehow supported in society, maybe by the so-called liberal media. Maybe if you’re more liberal, you just don’t give a darn what other people think. You just sort of say it and that’s what it is. You know, I can only speculate as to what’s driving that. But even liberals – not all – the large portion of the population, 23 percent, still feel like voicing their political opinions puts them in some kind of jeopardy.

Mike Blake: [00:33:31] And then, the second chart blows me away, where a significant share of Americans support firing donors to one party or the other. Just outright firing them. They didn’t do anything, didn’t express an opinion, might be a model worker. It doesn’t matter. You made a donation, you’re out. I think that’s extremely dangerous. I think it makes our political climate much worse rather than better. But we’re going to have to decide as a society, are we going to rely and cancel as a way to resolve our differences? I hope not. I think there are long term consequences to that, that we can only begin to imagine today that will affect us in a generation if we do go that direction.

Mike Blake: [00:34:27] The next chart is from a book called, “Facebook Hate Speech Removal per Quarter in 2020.” This is from Statista. And Facebook has now gotten involved, gotten in the business of removing hate speech. And I have friends that claim that they’ve been banned, they’ve been muted, they’ve had their accounts suspended because maybe they cursed or they cursed out somebody or something. Well, not something I would necessarily do. It doesn’t seem like it rises to the level of hate speech. But Facebook is clearly now getting involved. And I know there’s a segment of the population that wants social media to be held accountable for the things that people say.

Mike Blake: [00:35:16] I don’t know about that. For years we’ve said, if you don’t like what’s on TV, change the channel. And I think I generally agree with that, except where children are involved. And then, parents do need something to do. You know, am I that comfortable with Facebook intervening with us? I don’t know. It’s not censorship because only a government can commit an act of censorship. Facebook simply would call it selecting editorial content. Just like sending a letter to the editor of The New York Times. They don’t publish every letter that they receive. And, you know, I just don’t know.

Mike Blake: [00:36:03] I think that having lived in places where free speech has been and is suppressed, I think it’s very dangerous for free speech to be suppressed, no matter what the source is, whether it’s public or private. But, again, as a society, we have to decide that.

Mike Blake: [00:36:22] And, you know, this next chart really asks a question, Have we done all the canceling we’re going to do anyway? This chart responds to the question, how many people do you have in your friendship circle that support the candidate who is not the person for whom you would vote, basically? And, you know, most people are now saying that most of their close friends only support the candidates that they do. And I don’t know what to make of that. Should I be concerned? I mean, on one hand, it’s natural for people of a like disposition and an ideological outlook to hang out with one another.

Mike Blake: [00:37:07] But the background of what we’ve just talked about in terms of canceling, I can’t help but wonder, you know, is this simply more cancelling that’s going on, and we’re missing opportunities to learn through each other? You know, there’s a concept in philosophy called dialectical materialism. It’s actually Marxist in nature. And the notion of dialectical materialism is that, advancement only comes through conflict. There’s something called thesis that’s confronted by antithesis. And then, when they collide, they manufacture a synthesis, which is something better that results to the conflict of the two. And I think by cancelling, we’re missing out on that.

Mike Blake: [00:38:00] The next topic is, Are we going to be prepared for the next COVID? This chart that I have, “Viral Outbreaks: Past Encounters,” from Health Analytics, shows very clearly the viral outbreaks of a major nature are becoming more common and not less. I don’t know why that is. I don’t know if it’s related to climate change. I don’t know if it’s related to increased travel. I don’t know if it’s related to dumb luck. I have no idea.

Mike Blake: [00:38:30] But the data is very clear that we’re seeing, or at least we’re in a period right now of more frequent, significant viral outbreaks. It seems inevitable that another outbreak is going to threaten us again. And when they threaten us, the next chart – from “Pandemics in History, Assessing Their Costs” – shows that the cost of these pandemics is significant. I think that’s a function of our economy simply being more developed. But, nevertheless, enduring a pandemic carries with it a very significant financial cost.

Mike Blake: [00:39:11] Now, you notice the coronavirus is not on this chart. But never fear, because it is calculated now. I reviewed data from a paper called, “The Impacts of the Coronavirus on the Economy of the United States, Economics of Disasters and Climate Change,” and the estimated cost of coronavirus by the time we’re all said and done is between $3.2 and 4.8 trillion, which represents somewhere between 15 to 22 percent of the gross domestic product of the United States. That’s a big number. That’s a very big number.

Mike Blake: [00:39:51] And as you can see, for those who can see on the chart, you can see the footnote here that says, “The U.S. National Academy of Medicine estimates it committing an incremental 4.5 billion annually to be used primarily for strengthening national public health systems, funding research and development, and financing global coordination contingency efforts would significantly reduce the severity of future outbreaks.” So, you know, investing four-and-a-half billion annually – to use round numbers – 4.5 trillion, the breakeven point is, if you get one pandemic in a thousand years, you breakeven. To me, that seems like that’s a worthwhile investment. A pretty good insurance policy. But we’ll see. We will see.

Mike Blake: [00:40:41] Another question we’re going to have to address now is, Are we going to take mental illness seriously? Mental illness, frankly, I don’t think has been taken all that seriously in the United States up until very recently. You could discriminate against people for it. You can make fun of them. Generally speaking, the availability of mental health care is generally inadequate. Health insurance policies are paltry covering it. And even when it is, it’s hard to find a psychiatrist or a therapist that will actually take health insurance. There are a lot of issues with it.

Mike Blake: [00:41:21] But I do think that having to live with the invisible stalker of a global pandemic and the ensuing lockdown has greatly restrained our freedom of movement and our freedom of activity, frankly, our freedom of pursuit of happiness. For a lot of us, we could basically work all we want. But in terms of having fun, forget it. It should not be surprising that it’s taken a toll on people’s mental health.

Mike Blake: [00:41:49] And from this chart from Statista, Pandemic Causes Spike in Anxiety and Depression, the differences between January through June of 2019 through December of 2020 show a significant increase – really, a massive increase of symptoms of anxiety disorder, depressive disorder, or combined anxiety or depressive disorder. Perhaps as much as 42 percent of the population of the United States has exhibited some symptoms of anxiety or depressive disorder. That is a massive cost being borne by society. And right now, we’re generally deciding we’re willing to live with it. And I guess that’s the decision we’re going to make as a society, are we going to live with it? Are we going to say, you know, we can’t afford everything and you have to try alternative methods to address your mental anxiety.

Mike Blake: [00:42:58] But before we make that decision, we need to look at this chart, “Measuring the Lifetime Costs of Serious Mental Illness and the Mitigating Effects of Educational Attainment” by Seth Seabury, et al. And the chart shows that, when people have a serious mental illness, particularly before age 25, their life expectancy goes down, their quality of life goes down, their ability to function without being classified as disabled goes down, and their years work goes down. Which leads to increased medical spending and decreased lifetime earnings, which means people are not contributing as much economically into the tax base, Medicare, Medicaid, all that stuff.

Mike Blake: [00:43:51] So, it’s not just a human cost, but there is a measurable economic cost. And if we don’t pay attention to this, it’s going to get worse and that cost is going to become more painful and more visible. We have to decide if the benefits outweigh the costs or not. Benefits, meaning not paying as much attention to mental health.

Mike Blake: [00:44:17] And the interesting thing, as we can see on the next chart, you know, it’s not about money. Our health expenditure per capita is higher than just about everybody else. Number two is about 25 percent less in terms of health spending per capita than the United States. Now, granted, this is 2015 data for the most part, some is 2013. But I think it’s changed that much in the last six years. This is not so much throwing money at the problem as is being thoughtful about how to solve the problem and deploying the money that we are spending in a more meaningful and impactful manner.

Mike Blake: [00:45:02] Do we still want delivery? So, e-commerce boomed during COVID, obviously. A lot of stores were closed. And the chart that I’m showing is from “X’MAS 2020: Is Your E-commerce Startup Ready for the Biggest Delivery Season?” And we can see that during the pandemic, at least as of July of last year, e-commerce transactions were up massively. Sports equipment were up 83.4 percent. That’s why you can’t get a Peloton. Supermarket e-commerce transactions, Instacart, curbside services, up 66.5 percent. Even home furnishing is up 42 percent. Banking and insurance media, we’ve all learned not to go back to the movie theater. We’re watching Netflix instead. We’re used to getting things at home now, but do we want to?

Mike Blake: [00:46:02] Now, the dirty secret is, we are paying more for this as much as the companies try to hide the incremental cost of delivery from us. It’s very much there, and it’s going to get worse. The chart I have up in front of me now is, “The Hidden Cost of Food Delivery,” from TechCrunch. And even outside of the service charges, the tips, delivery services for food and, I think, for everything else – but I have a chart here for food – is that, delivery companies are marking up the entrees themselves. The same meals simply costs more to buy the meal itself, to have it delivered, for even delivery fee, than in the restaurant. And according to the chart, that could be as high as 40.5 percent. And we’ve seen this also with Instacart, they mark their stuff up all the time for groceries, Costco delivery. That all happens.

Mike Blake: [00:47:05] Do people want to pick up at the store? I don’t know really how much people want to pick up, you know, engage, or enjoy, or utilize, I guess, curbside pickup. According to the “2020 Holiday Outlook” from PwC, you know, home delivery pretty much stayed the same. People are not picking up orders in-store actually as much as they used to, but they’re picking up the order outside the store. But only 35 percent as opposed to 23 percent. I think the jury is still out. And I love pickup. I know a lot of people, they like the experience of going to the store and looking around and seeing stuff. And, you know, I do think that part is here to stay. A part of the shopping experience is here to stay.

Mike Blake: [00:47:55] Now, an interesting question that comes out of all of this is, when, ultimately, do the DoorDash’s of the world actually become profitable? It stunned me to learn that these companies are not profitable and they’re not even really close. And the question I have is, when large portions of the population are forced to be at home, and when many restaurants have either shut down, or they’re shut down in-house eating opportunities or in-house dining, if DoorDash can’t be profitable now, when is it going to be? And what are the circumstances under which it’s going to be profitable?

Mike Blake: [00:48:39] Probably that’s going to be – and I read this in a recent Wall Street Journal order – when one or more competitors drop out of the market and they can raise their delivery prices. That’s what’s going to happen. One of these guys is going to get tired of burning through millions and millions of dollars of venture capital. And they’re going to fall out of the market. Prices will then reach a true market clearing price. That’s when they’ll be profitable. But it is going to be a bloodbath in the industry until that happens.

Mike Blake: [00:49:13] The next question is, Are we going to act on race? So, the protests that started nationwide in wake of the George Floyd murder in 2020, starting in Minneapolis, they had an impact on a lot of people. They, of course, had an impact on people of color. I think, at least for a time, they made an impact on white people like me. And the chart I have here is, “Support for Black Lives Matter Surged During Protest, But Is Waning Among White Americans.” And I guess that’s not surprising. There is a certain sense of urgency. You know, people of color were protesting all over the place. They were visibly upset as we interact with them on a commercial and a friendly basis.

Mike Blake: [00:50:11] But as time goes on and the case is, basically, now over. The perpetrator has now been sentenced to jail. So, I’m not sure there’s much more to do after that for that particular incident. But the issue still remains. And so, the question is, Are we going to have another conversation about race like we had in the 1960s? Or are we going to go back to the way things were, circa end of 2019? And I present for your consideration this graph, this info graphic, “The Pandemic’s Racial Disparity” from Statista. COVID deaths to people of color, particularly Black people, was just out of sight. They were more than double the rates of deaths among White people.

Mike Blake: [00:51:12] And, to me, it’s hard to look at that and think, “Well, we don’t have a race problem that needs to be addressed.” Why are people of color dying at such a higher rate? And is that a problem that we want to solve? Some of us are going to argue that’s not a problem that we should solve. The government should solve that. People of color should solve themselves. Okay, and I’ll just leave it there. But it is a problem that’s going to have to be addressed. And if it’s not, again, there are far reaching consequences. There’s only so long that a minority group is going to suffer with this. It’s not going to be indefinite.

Mike Blake: [00:52:02] And, finally, Are we going to lure people back to work or are we going to force them back to work? So, the topic of the day now is, people are not coming back to the workforce. And that’s the chart that I have from the St. Louis Federal Reserve on unemployment level and job openings shows that the number of job openings exceeds the number of unemployed people in the United States. Why are people not taking them?

Mike Blake: [00:52:37] Well, before I go directly to answer that question, this chart is really important. And if you look at no other chart, look at this one. And it also is from the St. Louis Federal Reserve, and it’s the labor force participation rate. And the labor force participation rate means the percentage of adult Americans who are working, or available to work, want to work, or in the labor force. And you’ll notice that the American labor force has been declining since 2000.

Mike Blake: [00:53:13] And I would argue it probably would have started declining before then, except I think people hung on in the workforce during the dotcom boom because they were getting their stock options. And during the Y2K remediation effort, because people who wanted to retire were the only people who knew enough COBOL to fix it, basically. And they got scads of money to work another year or two to fix Y2K vulnerable systems.

Mike Blake: [00:53:40] But since then, labor force participation has been dropping, particularly since, say, late 2008, 2009. And recovered a bit, I think, in statistical noise. Really dropped during the COVID pandemic, and has come back a little bit. And I say that because it provides, I think, a useful framework around understanding the nature of unemployment and the nature of people pursuing jobs. And that is that, we have been running up against a shortage of workers for two decades now. We haven’t noticed it for whatever reason, because we’ve had enough people, more or less, to take jobs. But that gravy train may have come to an end. But we’ll see, like I said, economics is a slow science.

Mike Blake: [00:54:40] And, frankly, I don’t know the story yet. I don’t know whether unemployment benefits are too high and people are kicking back in the extra 300 bucks a month. You know, I cannot imagine that myself. I can’t imagine $1,200 being meaningful enough to me that I would simply stop working and be on welfare. But I acknowledge I’m not everybody. I just don’t know a portion of the population that is. And I do think people have awakened and changed priorities and are willing to give up income for a different lifestyle. I think, you know, there’s nothing like 600,000 people dying over the course of 18 months to remind people how short and precious life is.

Mike Blake: [00:55:25] And I do think that people have discovered, you know, they’d rather live on less and would rather have more of what they expect their lives to be from a personal perspective, spiritual perspective. And, unfortunately, I mean, this is going to remain purely an ideological argument, we’re not going know until two to three months passed after states reduce unemployment benefits, which is happening now. We’re not going to know until schools reopen and a lot of kids are going to go back to – people aren’t going to like when I say this, but I mean, the schools are our form of nationalized daycare, like it or not. We do have nationalized daycare. We simply use it as an educational instrument. And, ideologically, we never pay for it if we call it daycare. So, we call it grade school. And then, more of the population will be vaccinated.

Mike Blake: [00:56:26] So, with that, that concludes my presentation on Ten Decisions to be Made in a Trans-Pandemic World. And as I’ve said before, if you like the content that we put on here, let me know. Let me know if you like this. And if you want more of it, follow me on LinkedIn for the Chart of the Day. You may have noticed I’m kind of into charts. And, you know, with that, I think we’re going to be able to wrap it up for today’s program. I’d like to thank you all for listening. And please let me know what you think of this format. If you like it, we’ll do more of it. If you hate it, then we’ll probably stop doing it.

Mike Blake: [00:57:08] We’ll be exploring a new topic each week, whether I’m doing it or with somebody else, so please tune in so that when you’re faced with your next business decision, you have clear vision when making it. If you enjoy these podcasts, please consider leaving a review with your favorite podcast aggregator. It helps people find us that we can help them. If you like to engage with me on social media with my Chart of the Day and other content, I’m on LinkedIn as myself and @unblakeable on Facebook, Twitter, Clubhouse, and Instagram. Once again, this is Mike Blake. Our sponsor is Brady Ware & Company. And this has been the Decision Vision podcast.

 

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Brandon Beach, North Fulton CID

June 30, 2021 by John Ray

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North Fulton CID Executive Director Brandon Beach joined host Kali Boatright to discuss his career journey, the history of the North Fulton CID, infrastructure improvements the organization has funded, wider transportation projects which are improving the quality of life in North Fulton, and much more.  The GNFCC 400 Insider is presented by the Greater North Fulton Chamber of Commerce and produced by the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX®.

The North Fulton Community Improvement District (NFCID)

The North Fulton Community Improvement District (NFCID) is a self-taxing district that was formed in 2003 by a group of business leaders committed to maintaining and enhancing the North Fulton community. With the goal of investing in a more vibrant and sustainable North Fulton, the CID advances infrastructure projects that enhance the livability, walkability and drivability of the entire community. The NFCID spans from Mansell Road north to McGinnis Ferry Road, serving as a catalyst for transportation planning, investment and improvement.

Commercial property owners within the District’s boundaries pay a voluntary tax, which funds the NFCID’s efforts. The CID’s mission is to work continuously to improve the economic viability of its district. This includes the development of efficient transportation services, with an emphasis on access, mobility, diversification and modernization.

The NFCID partners with the three cities that fall within its boundaries – Alpharetta, Milton and Roswell – to design and implement projects that improve the community of North Fulton. The NFCID regularly solicits input from its members for new projects and any member can submit requests to the NFCID for consideration.

Since its inception, the NFCID has leveraged more than $22 million to advance more than $116 million worth of transportation and infrastructure improvements. The North Fulton CID is committed to further enhancing the community and improving the quality of life for the nearly 400 property owners along the Georgia Highway 400 corridor and North Fulton’s more than 270,000 employees.

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Senator Brandon Beach, Executive Director, North Fulton Community Improvement District

Brandon Beach was named Executive Director of the North Fulton Community Improvement District (CID) in January 2018. Previously, he was President of the North Fulton CID and President & CEO of the Greater North Fulton Chamber of Commerce. Under his leadership, the North Fulton CID has invested more than $20 million to help bring more than $100 million in new infrastructure for the District area.

Beach was also elected to the State Senate in 2013. He represents District 21 which includes portions of Cherokee and Fulton counties. Senator Beach is the Chairman of the Transportation Committee. He is also a member of the Economic Development, Higher Education and Science and Technology committees. Senator Beach served as the Chairman of the Public Private Partnership Committee (P3 Committee). Under his leadership, the P3 Committee was able to acquire key local transportation projects approved for Cherokee and North Fulton.

In 2001, Governor Sonny Perdue appointed Sen. Beach to the board of Georgia Regional Transportation Authority (GRTA). In 2008, he was selected to chair one of GRTA’s most important committees — The Land Development Committee. In this role, Sen. Beach is responsible for leading a review of every significant development brought before the 16-county area that GRTA serves. Sen. Beach was elected to the Board of the GDOT by state legislators from the 6th Congressional District in 2008. Senator Beach is a member of numerous community boards including the Regional Business Coalition, Grady Hospital Board of Visitors, the Greater Metro Atlanta American Heart Association, the Georgia Association of Chamber of Commerce Executives, Encore Park and the Historic Roswell Convention and Visitors Bureau.

Senator Beach received an undergraduate degree from Louisiana State University and a Masters in Business Administration degree from Centenary College. He is also a graduate of the Regional Leadership Institute and a former member of the Alpharetta City Council and the Alpharetta Planning and Zoning Commission.

He and his wife, Shuntel, have two children and have lived in Alpharetta for the past 24 years.

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Kali Boatright, President and CEO of GNFCC

“The GNFCC 400 Insider” is presented by the Greater North Fulton Chamber of Commerce (GNFCC) and is hosted by Kali Boatright, President and CEO of GNFCC. The Greater North Fulton Chamber of Commerce is a private, non-profit, member-driven organization comprised of over 1400 business enterprises, civic organizations, educational institutions and individuals.  Their service area includes Alpharetta, Johns Creek, Milton, Mountain Park, Roswell and Sandy Springs. GNFCC is the leading voice on economic development, business growth and quality of life issues in North Fulton County.

The GNFCC promotes the interests of our members by assuming a leadership role in making North Fulton an excellent place to work, live, play and stay. They provide one voice for all local businesses to influence decision makers, recommend legislation, and protect the valuable resources that make North Fulton a popular place to live.

For more information on GNFCC and its North Fulton County service area, follow this link or call (770) 993-8806. For more information on other GNFCC events such as this North Fulton Mayors Appreciation Lunch, follow this link.

For the complete show archive of “The GNFCC 400 Insider,” go to GNFCC400Insider.com. “The GNFCC 400 Insider” is produced by John Ray and the North Fulton studio of Business RadioX®.

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Julie Keyes, KeyeStrategies, LLC

June 29, 2021 by John Ray

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As a entrepreneur who went through her own business exit, Julie Keyes, Founder and President of KeyeStrategies, is passionate about supporting business owners in their transition and exit journey. She explains the crucial differences between transition, succession, and exit, why planning for an exit involves much more than just the numbers, what to expect when working with an exit planner, and much more. Minneapolis-St. Paul Business Radio is produced virtually by the Minneapolis St. Paul studio of Business RadioX®.

KeyeStrategies, LLC

KeyeStrategies is an advisory firm for entrepreneurs looking to grow and improve their business, while also providing Exit Planning and Transition services for companies between $5-30M in annual revenue.

The firm’s mission is to help business owners increase enterprise value and prepare the owner and the business for a future exit. Their tagline says it all… “Build enterprise value today, so you can exit on your own terms tomorrow”.

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Julie Keyes, Founder and President, KeyeStrategies

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Julie Keyes, Founder and President, KeyeStrategies

Julie Keyes is the founder and owner of KeyeStrategies, LLC in Minneapolis, MN specializing in exit and transition consulting for business owners of lower middle-market companies. Julie has been an entrepreneur most of her life. As the founder and operator of several companies, she understands owner motivations and the balancing act they require to work both ‘in’ and ‘on’ the business.

Julie is a Certified Exit Planning Advisor and Value Growth Advisor. She works with business owners who seek to understand and maximize their exit and critical transition options. She founded the Exit Planning Institute Twin Cities Metro Area Chapter in 2016, serving as president until 2020, and is a faculty member for their CEPA program. In addition, Julie was awarded EPI’s 2017 “Leader of Year”.

Julie recently released her first book “Poised for Exit” which helps owners of privately held companies navigate the process of business exit. Her weekly podcast, of the same name, provides content relevant to business owners and advisors alike and can be found on all major podcast platforms.

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Questions and Topics in this Interview

  • What is the process of exit planning?
  • Who is involved in exit planning?
  • When should an owner start the process of preparing for a future exit?
  • Are Exit and Transition the same thing? What about Succession? How are they different?
  • When an owner works with you, what can they expect?
  • Is there any kind of urgency needed on the part of owners today? If so, why?

Minneapolis-St. Paul Business Radio is hosted by John Ray and produced virtually from the Minneapolis St. Paul studio of Business RadioX® .  You can find the full archive of shows by following this link. The show is available on all the major podcast apps, including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, Amazon, iHeart Radio, Stitcher, TuneIn, and others.

Tagged With: Business Exit Planning, business transition, exit planning, Julie Keyes, KeyeStrategies, Minneapolis St Paul Business Radio, Poised for Exit, small business exit planning, Succession Planning

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